SteveB

Lone Wolf moved production back to the states this year. I use 80% ladders, 20% hang ons. None over 15 ft and have no problems arrowing deer.

Grow - never thought about the concrete mesh - great idea! Any chance of a closer shot on the peas? I stake anything that will climb - just plan easier and utilizes space far better. Late start this year after a 10 year break. Burt - my advice to you would be to start prepping the area this year. You could tarp it to kill the weeds - better would be to do the newspaper trick covered by some older manure from a neighbors pile. I have several neighbors with a few horses - always looking for someone to haul it away. You would have a great jump on next year. And lastly - 2 hills of zucchini will give you the chance to meet every neighbor.

Culver - I understand. No easy answers.

Which allowed the taking of a doe in areas where few/none should be shot.

Joe - it's a little hard to understand the concern for how many when only something like 1 in 3 hunters take even 1 deer/yr?

Most of those are in areas at or near 100% issurance for all applicants. Rates should even be a little higher by factoring in the reduction of the bow/mz antlerless. That said, the deadline should be moved so the opportunity is equal for all hunters.

A system where all hunters have a chance for the right to hunt does. Sounds fair to me.

Great question! There are roughly 600,000 reg big game tag's and 200,000 each bow and mz tags every year - plus dmp and dmap's. A little over 200,000 combined kills - heard the actual rate of success is around 30% for hunters taking a deer. WNY is right - you are not buying deer - only the opportunity to pursue them. It does seems the proposals will effect some areas chance of success alot more then others. But it is already that way now. I kill several every year in 7j and h - if I hunted just the Adirondacks, I might go years between kills.

A dead one in Ct that most likely wandered in from a considerable distance is not any type of proof of there being a breeding population in NY or anywhere in the northeast.

Again - you can currently hunt within 500 ft now - just need to permission to do so. Same permission you would need to recover if the law where changed to 150 ft (or whatever) and the deer you shot crosses the line. And that will happen - especially in the type of neighborhoods being talked about as becoming open to bowhunting should the law be changed.

So they do have ezy pass.

The Great Lakes and the St Lawrence Seaway come to mind - unless they have ezy pass to cross the 1000 Islands Bridge.

Using the grinder to stuff is a pia. I plan to add a stuffer to the arsenal soon. I have a LEM 1/4 hp - would have to spend a lot more to get anything significantly better.

Well if you are killing doe's then that comment doesn't apply to you eh? I bet they taste real good all BBQ'ed up with those sauce's you got. Burrrppp. Made 10lbs each of hot and maple sausage Sunday.

I'm guarenteed at least 3, maybe 4 with sign overs. And most likely 2 DMAP's. 4 does didn't get by me last year (and 4 more by my partner), but I have let all bucks pass for at least 4 years waiting for an actual mature one. Maybe paint with a little more narrow brush?

7J and 7H unchanged from the past several years. Yeh!

The Tiger Sauce is a good one - lots of taste with some heat.

So their is nothing about AR that will make deer healthier. Their has not been a naturaly occurring herd since shortly after the pilgrams landed. The only way that herd will ever happen again is if 99% of the human population dies. If the deer are healthy, the herd is also. Trying to recreate a balance that only existed with minimal human effect is a romantic, unneeded ideal.

Does the report mention anything about unhealthy deer? Because i have never seen one. Trouble with 4pt/side is that it does lead to hygrading - maybe that is considered a "health" improvement by some.

Mr hunter - please post something/anything showing their are unhealthy deer here in 7J. And/or post something that a 6pt AR would have any significant effect in the age structure in 7J. Look forward to seeing what you have. Thanks.

I'll congratulate them!

I'll stick to my recurve - compound defeats the challange of bowhunting. ;)

And I don't understand the facination with a compound. I blow thru deer with a 53# recurve up to 30 yds. And I've helped with a lot more then 1 bloodtrail from under 20 yd bad hits with compounds - several never recovered. A 50# recurve/longbow has all the power needed to efficiently kill any animal in North America. It ain't the bow - its the indian and their skill - or lack of it.

I have several recurves (90% of my bow hunting) and 1 compound. The compound is just plain uninteresting to shoot. Most likely it will go when the crossbow becomes legal, but will still hunt most of the time with the recurve.

Come on Bubba - we are only about 50 pages from having this whole thing solved.