WNYBuckHunter

: Im just not going to say another word about it Pat. If you dont get it, you never will. And why are you arguing with the owner of the site about what you can and cannot say on it? You do realize that he has the right to say what goes due to the fact that he started, built and maintains the site that you enjoy so much. Wny..i aint holdin it against ya..just stating fact..correct? And unless john is hitler..he can hear opinions just like the rest..i most certainly am not argueing..youve seen my work..pretty sure you know the difference.. John..ive seen worse slide on this site..and did i not take heed to your request..im just observing the opinion of what is bad language..again im admitting i swore..but if you list anything..list the words you dont like..again your opinion..and yes..you have been neutral..that i can appreciate If you werent holding anything against me, then your "Ill never forget it" comment wouldnt have been thrown out there, and you wouldnt be mentioning it once a week. If you care to discuss it any further, feel free to shoot me a PM. Hey look theres a dead horse..i think ill beat it Listen here: you splattered my name on a thread headline ..neglect to place on said thread the insults prior to a few comments i made in favor of threads subject..on a public site..in which a few coworkers and my boss read..making for a pretty uncomfortable situation..id say with the shoes on yer feet..you would feel the same..i dealt with it like a man..and i backed up things i said..and i dont need to pm you to say that.. Sounds like you gentlemen are getting nervous about somthin..i dont know what..however now its on the cusp of threatening to boot someone if you get outta line..for opinions?..from the second i joined this site ive been looked down on..and even all thats been said..i keep on keepin on..and i dont think that im the only one with my opinions..but i may just be more vocal..im for a.r...yet argued in a whole other direction..why?..not cause im a pecker head(pecker in the sense of a bird beak) but what greater way to learn how to defend the very points than your trying to convey than to create opposition..antler bubba and myself have all PMed each other stating how we should be more conciderate to the site..and that even though theres animosity..theres also huge amounts of respect built from the arguments weve spun..and im gonna guess they might actually agree with me somewhat on what im sayin now.. Like iv stated..the threads that are riské are the most viewed most replied..isnt that what a websites lookin for? John..i love hangin here but like any administration..maybe you should look within..on one hand you got someone creating riské threads..and on the other you got someone(fast eddie) offering to lock the thread if it gets outta hand.. No swearing :great No personal attacks:good luck with that A site where everyone gets along:priceless One other thing: robinson446..keep in mind you yerself tried baiting me into an arguement with the use of profane language..a minor..from school.. Maybe you shouldnt have brought up the subject of drugs on a public web site. No matter what I named that thread, your boss still would have read what you said on it. Dont try and pass the buck. I did nothing other than move the subject that YOU brought up out of a thread it didnt belong in, and into its own thread. BTW, Eddie wasnt the one that locked that thread.

Very nice Elmer! I also got mine out a few weeks ago and opened her up. No mice, no leaks. I took pics and posted it up for sale. Ive had a few bites, but they seemed to be just tire kickers.

baiting raccoons? Nothing illegal about that as far as I know. The article said food scraps, not deer feed or corn or salt lick.

Thanks for the advice, like I said it is appreciated, and yes I asked for your explanation. The reason I purchased this gun was based upon why it was created. I could have picked a 9mm and been able to shoot it more for less money, but I wanted something with a bit more knock down, while not being as abusive as a 45. As for hunting with the gun, I dont plan on taking it and only it into the field. My plan is to put it on my hip just in case I get the right situation to use it. Primarily, Ill be using my shotgun, so if that big 140 steps out, he gets the 12 gauge, but if a nice doe gets broadside within 25 yards, I have the 40 cal. Of course, Ill be shooting the 40 all summer, even more than I usually do, to prepare for the opportunity. Ill make sure to break the R25 in properly if I pick one up. I was super meticulous when I broke my Remmy 700 in last year, but shes a bonafide tack driver now, just the way I wanted it.

Eagle, while I can appreciate what you are saying, I dont agree with most of it. First off, I already said I am not going to use Hydra-shoks for hunting. Half of your statement was about those rounds. Second, just because my gun is not a revolver or break action handgun, doesnt mean I shouldnt hunt with it. A buddy of mine has an AR that we use for fox and coyotes, and I am looking into possibly picking up one of the Remington R25s in 308 for deer and other game. I just dont see how anyone could think that those guns are unethical. Bottom line, Im not looking for an ethics beat down, ethics are too subjective to be laid out as fact. Im looking for info on what ammo I should be using on a deer with a 40 cal handgun for under 25 yards, which in my eyes, is perfectly ethical. Thanks for your opinion.

Grow, what illegal stuff are you referring to?

Yours is too short for his gun, he did say its a great deal though. Good luck.

It still won't be Fair Chase. Please explain why it wouldnt be. By definition of Fair Chase, it most certainly would be. Oh wait, I forgot, you dont care about facts. Nevermind. P&Y defines Fair Chase (with the capitals.) Crossbows do not fit the bill. Any old schmuck can pop off with his definition of fair chase. P&Y defines fair chase for their book. B&C defines fair chase for their book differently. Seeing as P&Y has only been around formally since 1961, and informally since 1957, and B&C has been around since the late 1800s, Ill listen to what B&C defines fair chase as, seeing as they were the ones that came up with it in the first place.

It still won't be Fair Chase. Please explain why it wouldnt be. By definition of Fair Chase, it most certainly would be. Oh wait, I forgot, you dont care about facts. Nevermind.

Im a member on that site, but havent been on there in over a year lol. Thanks for reminding me of it.

Please elaborate. Why woulndt it be ethical at short range?

and all this debating will be forgotten about.................. It will be a good thing.

: Im just not going to say another word about it Pat. If you dont get it, you never will. And why are you arguing with the owner of the site about what you can and cannot say on it? You do realize that he has the right to say what goes due to the fact that he started, built and maintains the site that you enjoy so much. Wny..i aint holdin it against ya..just stating fact..correct? And unless john is hitler..he can hear opinions just like the rest..i most certainly am not argueing..youve seen my work..pretty sure you know the difference.. John..ive seen worse slide on this site..and did i not take heed to your request..im just observing the opinion of what is bad language..again im admitting i swore..but if you list anything..list the words you dont like..again your opinion..and yes..you have been neutral..that i can appreciate If you werent holding anything against me, then your "Ill never forget it" comment wouldnt have been thrown out there, and you wouldnt be mentioning it once a week. If you care to discuss it any further, feel free to shoot me a PM.

When the law is changed to allow crossbows in all seasons, it certainly will be fair chase.

I might have a buyer for you. Let me give him a call.

Theres already a gear reviews forum. http://huntingny.com/forums/index.php/board,46.0.html

I found one that seems to be marketed for hunting http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=533458 Any opinions? I have seen some people say to use FMJs on one website and HPs on another. Im so confused lol.

: Im just not going to say another word about it Pat. If you dont get it, you never will. And why are you arguing with the owner of the site about what you can and cannot say on it? You do realize that he has the right to say what goes due to the fact that he started, built and maintains the site that you enjoy so much.

I have seen the orange triangles on the UTVs, and have been under the impression that they are treated the same as tractors or other farm equipment.

Its like a Bubb Rubb convention ;D

LOL riiiight.

Nice pics

I didnt say we wont have any problems, I said you wont have any problems.

What smack are you referring too.Dave This. You answer the question like any other hypothetical question. Dont try to turn it on me, either answer or dont, I could honestly care less either way. Sounds like something antler would say.Dave Its just unnecessary and meant to do nothing other than start an argument. It also has nothing to do with any topic in the thread. Trolling, completely obvious trolling. If that's what you got from that statement then you must be looking to see a problem that's not even there. Or you just don't want to be compared to antler. Many,many threads antler has stated he couldn't care less what people think, just what he thinks. Check it out, it's a fact.Dave I never said I could care less what he thinks, I said was that I care less if arrow actually answers or just takes his typical stance of its not a worthy question. Regardless of what Antler does, or whom I would like or would not like to be compared to, your comment was trolling. Nice try.

What smack are you referring too.Dave This. You answer the question like any other hypothetical question. Dont try to turn it on me, either answer or dont, I could honestly care less either way. Sounds like something antler would say.Dave Its just unnecessary and meant to do nothing other than start an argument. It also has nothing to do with any topic in the thread. Trolling, completely obvious trolling.