Government Dependence

[Grouse]

A lot of scary info on how many people depend on the government for survivial.

http://www.staged.com/video?v=Klmb

[Grizz1219]

It's called "Modern day slavery".... Get them dependent on that and they will vote as their "Masters" tell them... Sad..

[burmjohn]

Its a mess, and its scary. Need less gov't, less regulations, and less freebies...

[ants]

Grizz1219... !00% correct. The frustrating part is they dont see it happening to them or if they do they don't care because of the "where is my check?" factor. Can't lose that free check. Beyond sad. I've watched it first hand, for almost 30 years.

[greybeard]

He says the best investment is being poor.. give me a break.. I'm sure he's never been poor.That's among the stupidist statements I ever heard.

As far as Gov't gimme's....what about social security.. It's a gov't pension ,but you didn't have to work for the gov't...so since some people don't want the gov't help then after they get back the money they put in plus interest they should stop taking it..

Medicare... It's gov't healthcare.. As a senior I know many people on medicare ... Some complain about the gov't being socialist , but then after they have a major illness, they don't stop putting in for it whan they're sick even thought they more then spent what they put in.. I know some who would be in bad financial shape if they had to shell out the amount of money needed for their care,which was covered by medicare.

An awful lot of complainer's sure have their hands out and ready to take when it benefits them.

Unemplyment.. Doesn't he want to help the poor american citizens who lost their jobs...Does he propose letting them starve ? What about the american children of those poor families .. does he propose letting them go without food, medical care , and housing. ? At what age does he think we should let children suffer ?

There are lots of complainers, but they all stop complaining when they fall on hard times..

I don't want to be taxed to death either, but I feel that we, as a civilized society, who claims that the Bible and religion are such a major part of our lives should .. "feed the hungry, care for the sick .. etc.".

Our tax system gives extra deductions for having more children, yet they use more services, shouldn't those with less, or no children be charged less ? And schooltaxes....Why should people with no children pay for schools ? I don't like either of those taxes and don't like paying for many things, but we as a UNITED country contribute to the good of all.

[virgil]

Well said, Greaybeard.

[Pav2704]

Just like unemployment, there needs to be a timeline on how long somebody can collect welfare. Otherwise, it becomes an endless cycle and for the most part this is all the children of welfare recipients come to know!!!

[adirondackbushwhack]

He says the best investment is being poor.. give me a break.. I'm sure he's never been poor.That's among the stupidist statements I ever heard.

As far as Gov't gimme's....what about social security.. It's a gov't pension ,but you didn't have to work for the gov't...so since some people don't want the gov't help then after they get back the money they put in plus interest they should stop taking it..

Medicare... It's gov't healthcare.. As a senior I know many people on medicare ... Some complain about the gov't being socialist , but then after they have a major illness, they don't stop putting in for it whan they're sick even thought they more then spent what they put in.. I know some who would be in bad financial shape if they had to shell out the amount of money needed for their care,which was covered by medicare.

An awful lot of complainer's sure have their hands out and ready to take when it benefits them.

Unemplyment.. Doesn't he want to help the poor american citizens who lost their jobs...Does he propose letting them starve ? What about the american children of those poor families .. does he propose letting them go without food, medical care , and housing. ? At what age does he think we should let children suffer ?

There are lots of complainers, but they all stop complaining when they fall on hard times..

I don't want to be taxed to death either, but I feel that we, as a civilized society, who claims that the Bible and religion are such a major part of our lives should .. "feed the hungry, care for the sick .. etc.".

Our tax system gives extra deductions for having more children, yet they use more services, shouldn't those with less, or no children be charged less ? And schooltaxes....Why should people with no children pay for schools ? I don't like either of those taxes and don't like paying for many things, but we as a UNITED country contribute to the good of all.

The US is the only country in the world where the poor can afford to be obese, smoke cigs, drink alchol and do drugs all on soembody elses money. Please being poor does pay here and now yu even get the same health care as anyone, except politicians, who work. Meanwhile if you work you will pay more now than ever for Obama care so those who don't work, or who actually make more money than you but choose to not buy their own med insurance, can live off of your dime.

SS give me money back and close the program I'd be happy with that.

Medicare. Keep it and stop taking my money.

I'm complaining but I'm complaining because the government is TAKING my money and freedom. I don't need or want them to take care of me, I'm a grown man and can stand on ny own two feet without the government robbing from somebody else to give it to me. The government isn't helping anyone they are only controlling them.

Unemployment. Secure the boarders to keep the third world cheap labor out. Tax imports at a level so that imports would be competitive to US labor rates and then lets talk about unemployment. Government creates unemployment so stop stealing from me in the name of unemployment.

There is a difference between contributing for the good of all and enslaving a poulation and wasteing their wealth. We have long ago gone far beyond contributing for the good of all. I for one am damn tired of the government in all its forms enslaving me and destroying my wealth in the name of doing good. It's a lie and quite obviously so.

[virgil]

I'm complaining but I'm complaining because the government is TAKING my money and freedom. I don't need or want them to take care of me, I'm a grown man and can stand on ny own two feet without the government robbing from somebody else to give it to me. The government isn't helping anyone they are only controlling them.

If you were sick and needed expensive medical care that you couldn't afford, would you go to the hospital, or die at home with you principles?

[adirondackbushwhack]

I'm complaining but I'm complaining because the government is TAKING my money and freedom. I don't need or want them to take care of me, I'm a grown man and can stand on ny own two feet without the government robbing from somebody else to give it to me. The government isn't helping anyone they are only controlling them.

If you were sick and needed expensive medical care that you couldn't afford, would you go to the hospital, or die at home with you principles?

I've provided for myself and as such am not dependant on others to provide those things for me. I've noted how many choose to buy big expensive homes or toys instead of health insurance and now get to have ME pay for their health insurance because they refused to attend their basic needs first. Agree with that do ya? Think it's okay for folks to spend their money irresponicibly and have somebody else take up their slack because they were not responcible? I reckon if I was irresponcible enough to not provide coverage for myself I'd gladly sell my house to stay alive and not snivel about it like a child needing to be taken care of and spend the rest of my days alive in an apartment instead of stealing from the other guy.

[sits in trees]

yea but everyone of you will continue to vote in the same 2 parties, or on this site we have a majority that still actually believes in the Rebulicons, or as the mindless dribble out of the average Americans mouth goes, duuuhhh im votin the lesser of 2 evils.

wanna make a change vote in Gary Johnson, Libertarian, yea i know he doesnt stand a snowballs chance in hell but when the Democrips and Rebloodlicons see that independent voter percentage grow and grow like it has been they might just pay attention.

Or just go ahead and, duuuhhhh vote the lesser of 2 evils, thats how we got Bush W, then thats how we got Obama, and now it looks like we will get us a Romney.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

[WNYBuckHunter]

See, theres a difference between government run programs that are there to help people get back on their feet, and run out after a certain amount of time, and those that continually enable people to not succeed. Im all for helping people back onto their feet until they can get back to WORK. Im not in favor of creating more programs that enable people to sit at home and drink 40s while impregnating their baby momma with yet another welfare case.

[greybeard]

Tonight I heard on the news that farmers in the midwest are getting LOW INTEREST loans to help them out because of the drought and loss of crops...

I've also seen numerous times where the U.S. Government helped people who lost homes etc. due to tornados, floods, hurricanes etc.

Don't you think that these victims once stood on their own two feet ? Many were strong independent men and women until tragedy struck. Sometimes people need help and it can happen to any of us, or God forbid our children.

Would any of the people opposed to gov't helping these people openly oppose such assistance in the media where all could see how non charitable they are ? Do they teach their children to ignore those who need help.

Third world countries may ignore their people, I pray that we in the GREATEST country in the world never become so uncaring when our citizens fall on hard times. The amazing thing to me is that our government is being criticised for helping it's people too much !!

many of our citizens have lost jobs through no fault of their own and may need the help of those of us who have not been affected. I don't think that they should get unemployment payments forever, but in this economy I am in favor of extended coverage (I am retired so I have nothing to gain from giving extended coverage).

[WNYBuckHunter]

Greybeard, USDA loans are not goverment assistance, in the sense that they are giving you a handout. you still have to pay the loan back, they are just helping you get a lower interest rate or something like that, but there are some conditions on the loan which you have to adhere to. Those are also programs like what I mentioned, that TEMPORARILY help people, they do not support people. You are mixing the apples and oranges here.

[adirondackbushwhack]

Tonight I heard on the news that farmers in the midwest are getting LOW INTEREST loans to help them out because of the drought and loss of crops...

I've also seen numerous times where the U.S. Government helped people who lost homes etc. due to tornados, floods, hurricanes etc.

Don't you think that these victims once stood on their own two feet ? Many were strong independent men and women until tragedy struck. Sometimes people need help and it can happen to any of us, or God forbid our children.

Would any of the people opposed to gov't helping these people openly oppose such assistance in the media where all could see how non charitable they are ? Do they teach their children to ignore those who need help.

Third world countries may ignore their people, I pray that we in the GREATEST country in the world never become so uncaring when our citizens fall on hard times. The amazing thing to me is that our government is being criticised for helping it's people too much !!

many of our citizens have lost jobs through no fault of their own and may need the help of those of us who have not been affected. I don't think that they should get unemployment payments forever, but in this economy I am in favor of extended coverage (I am retired so I have nothing to gain from giving extended coverage).

Are you really trying to use people struck by natural disaster to somehow shame me into conceeding that it's okay for the government to FORCE me to pay for the health insurance of those who have more money than I, those who refuse to work or help themselves, Those who are not only not US citizens but who have also entered the country illegally to take jobs from our fellow Americans? Should it shame me into believing that my money is better spent on alchohol, cigs, and illegal drugs by those who are able but unwilling to work? Should I be shamed into believing that personal liberty is not a noble cause? Should I be shamed into believing that I should not hold liberty above all else?

I will not!!!! Liberty is the single most important right we have as people. A free people does not need a government to provide for them; free people will provide for themselves. The American people have always risen to the occasion and helped those in need. Get the word out that fellow Americans are in trouble and the people respond and do so overwhelmingly. The ability of the American people to give to those in need is only tempered by the ruinous actions of a tyrannical government. A government that has taken a once great republic and reduced it to something less. With each oppresive act of the government we loose more, not gain. No country can remain great while destroying the individual liberty of its people. Your government sir is destroying your liberty and it has tricked you into beleiving that it is for a good cause. NO CAUSE IS GREATER THAN LIBERTY!!!!

Your children, grandchildren and beyond are not born free here in this country they are born into obligation to a government that spends out of control and beyond our means often in the name of doing good for others. It is a false promise this government makes that IT will take care of you. Government cannot fix the problem. Government IS the problem. You want to see the American people help those in need? Take their money out of the hands of the government and give it back to the people themselves and I promiss you that a free people will help each other more than any government can. I have faith in the American people but I have none in an oppresive government.

Now go ahead and plaster that all over the news. I believe it and will stand up for liberty publicly.

[virgil]

I've provided for myself and as such am not dependant on others to provide those things for me.

It's easy to have that perspective when you're fortunate enough to be able to afford your principles. How about if you were young and starting a family and had a child with special needs and astronomical expenses beyond your means. Do you let your child suffer? I don't disagree that something should be done to root out the people who abuse the system. But, it's too easy to make believe that everyone receiving any form of assistance is lazy or abusive. This is the myth that is used to make selfish people feel principled.

[adirondackbushwhack]

I've provided for myself and as such am not dependant on others to provide those things for me.

It's easy to have that perspective when you're fortunate enough to be able to afford your principles. How about if you were young and starting a family and had a child with special needs and astronomical expenses beyond your means. Do you let your child suffer? I don't disagree that something should be done to root out the people who abuse the system. But, it's too easy to make believe that everyone receiving any form of assistance is lazy or abusive. This is the myth that is used to make selfish people feel principled.

The government is abusing the system by allowing these abuses to take place. Do you believe that we know how badly the system is abused but the government does not? How much better care would those special needs children recieve if the government didn't waste our money? Surely if you try hard enough you will find individual cases that require our government to act on our behalf to assist our fellow citizens in time of need but that is no excuse for continual support in other cases. Or with entitlments in general.

And incidentally I wasn't born old and was once young with a family and even had times when I had no health insurance. Never looked to anyone else to do my duty for me though.

Edited July 19, 2012 by adirondackbushwhack

[Grouse]

Where you are in this life is the result of the choices you made all your life. The government wants to support a lot of people who have made very bad choices in life and will continue to do so.

Of course they are using other people's money to do it so they don't care. There needs to be stricter administration of any govt handouts to insure the taxpayers are not being taken advantage of.

I object to many govt handouts because they are not designed to help people get back on their feet. They are designed to keep them on relief. And that means they will have to keep voting for the party that continues to promise them the relief. It's obvious vote buying!

[adkbuck]

Sadly a plethora useful idiots are aiding the stupidity of government dependancy and the dumbing down of America. Its an act of kindness not to give people handouts when they could be doing something useful and either earning their livelihood or learning a trade. Giving people temporary help to get back on there feet is one thing, dependency is quite another. There is no work that is devoid of value and dignity. Everyone who can do something or learn a useful skill unless they suffer from physical or mental disabilities. But to make people dependent on a system that obviates their development is a shame and dooms the individual and the country. Such has been the case with Communists and various forms of socialism and the ultimate outcome is never good. The fact that these types of slavery inducing policies which are driven by the lust for political power have succeeded to this degree makes me wonder how long we will remain a free country.

A couple of prophetic quotes from Alex de Tocqueville (1805 - 1859) to consider:

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”

― Alexis de Tocqueville

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”

― Alexis de Tocqueville

“Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.”

― Alexis de Tocqueville