Pure Rediculousness

[cwhite]

These arguments are getting taken to an extreame now. Maybe in Arizona but here most high fenced hunts are 400 acres or less and segemented into different sections. In my googling the largest fenced hunting area I found in the NE was about a 1000 acres and some with hunting areas as small as football fields. Clearly a 30,000 acre high fenced area is a lot different but I would guess most high fenced hunts especially around here are much smaller. I don't just don't see the point of high fenced hunting. I know someone that has a high fenced section of his farm that the deer are used for research and I enjoy watching them and picking up their sheds but these deer are practically pets. I find it amusing when all the guys that hunt up there have their regular deer hanging and theres monster bucks looking at them on the otherside of the fence.

My original post was pointing out the hypocrasy that is on this site from time to time. Anyone who participates in one controversial method of "hunting" such as a high fence should be immediately ashamed of themselves but another form of hunting that is considered by many to be just as controversial- driving along miles and miles of roads until you cut a track then put dogs on the track to tree the animal, go up, take pictures and shoot the animal out of the tree- is perfectly ok. Somehow it has been twisted and evolved into name calling (I'm a joke) and almost sounding like I endorse high fenced "pick your buck from a brochure" hunts which I don't. I endorse if you want to do it and it is legal, have at it hunting.

If you go to the midwest there are numerous places that have 2-5000 acre areas fenced with no human contact with the animals ever. The ranches are fenced to prevent poaching and allow the ranch owners to better manage the herds (maintain proper buck/doe ratio's) without having to abide by state restrictions. Those places I don't feel should be lumped with a place that has a 100 acre kill pen. Just as a point of interest the initial number mentioned was a 30,000 acre pen. That would equate to almost 47 square miles, one hell of a pen. But if you were to fence all of Texas in, someone would call it a pen.

[erussell]

I highly doubt they would high fence 30 thousand acre's. Are you talking about low fence? Which is basicly no fence since a deer can jump it. Which is not canned hunting.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Basically my opinion on a fenced hunt is shooting pens suck. Several thousand acre preserves are a different animal. Yeah they can't leave the preserve like they can your 200 acre hunting lease. Chances are no matter how much pressure they get the deer on your 200 acre lease aren't going to move thousands of acres away.

Sounded to me kike you were tossing leases into the mix. If I misunderstood I apologize.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Which goes back to my earlier question...how big does an are hae to be so it does not get tagged as a canned hunt? What else must take place? ie no artificial breeding? where is the magic lne that can't be crossed?

[Doc]

Which goes back to my earlier question...how big does an area have to be so it does not get tagged as a canned hunt? What else must take place? ie no artificial breeding? where is the magic lne that can't be crossed?

There probably is no real official size limit when trying to define a "canned hunt".

I generally figure if you can see prey species lounging around in the shade chewing their cud with their eyes half closed ....... you're probably looking at a canned hunt.

If you see a guy walking out into a barnyard banging the side of a grain pan with a wooden spoon and calling one of the animals by name ..... you're probably looking at a canned hunt.

If the prey animals are all congregated around a pan of food ..... you're probably looking at a canned hunt.

If you see a deer that can barely lift it's head because of the weight of its antlers ..... you're probably looking at a canned hunt.

If the animals to be hunted have ear-tags and collars..... you're probably looking at a canned hunt.

If the ground is worn down to dirt because of constant animal traffic ..... you're probably looking at a canned hunt.

If the animals walk up to the fence in front of you and stick their noses through for you to pet ... you're probably looking at a canned hunt.

If there is a barn and stalls supplied for the animal's shelter .... you're probably looking at a canned hunt.

If you can use the fence for a gun-rest while you shoot the buffalo next to the watering trough .... you're probably looking at a canned hunt.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Brought to yuo by Doc Foxworthy...lol

[cwhite]

I highly doubt they would high fence 30 thousand acre's. Are you talking about low fence? Which is basicly no fence since a deer can jump it. Which is not canned hunting.

No, I was simply quoting the number Biz originally posted. The largest high fence preserve that I can find is a little over the 10,000 acre mark. Still an area that is about 17 square miles. I like Doc's explanation on it. Not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Some of them are about keeping a purely wild herd with a perfect ratio of bucks to does combined with the proper population for the carrying capacity for their property. It's not fair to lump these places in with the operations that operate like what Doc described.

[accman]

I'm like to put on a drive when the time calls for it, like at the last two weekends of the season when the deer just aren't moving, or it's warm, or whatever. I sit in the a.m. till 9 and walk around during those times cause our members have gotten into that "Sit in the Stand" mentality and wait to see what's gonna happen. Wait? Wait for what. Walk around, kick em around, use your walkie-talkies to give an idea where your at, and what's shakin. Specially from 9 to 3 when you.... could ...... just.....fall.... a ....sleeeeeep, or sit in camp and watch TV. Can't get the big one when your watchin I'd like to have 10 guys puttin it on, but it seems to be only a handful of guys wanting to take the time and effort. Some clubs around us with tons of acreage just drive all day, every day, every hour. I wouldn't like that, not my style, but does that make it wrong, heck no. They produce a lot of deer. To each his own. We don't take the spikes and 4's, but our neighbors knock em down. I don't begrudge them, Can't eat the horns anyway.

It's like one of the guys said before, you can pay for a hooker and you can pay for a deer. I just don't feel like I have to pay for either cause I'm not that desperate.

I get my jollies just being out in the woods, taking my bullets for a walk, seeing deer, and if I get the opportunity to get the big one, then so be it.

[Dinsdale]

The largest high fence preserve that I can find is a little over the 10,000 acre mark.

I can't say I heard of much bigger in North America mentioned anywhere either.

But in other parts of the world 30,000 is not uncommon and I know of another thats near 1,000,000 (along with some national parks that are high fenced of similar size). But that fence is pretty porous, in some stretches a mile or more can be down at times. But its there for hunting, big enough to see on google earth as the habitat is better in the area than out.

[erussell]

Seems to me there would be better ways to spend money than buying enough fence to enclose 10 thousand acres. Especially just for hunting, some people will waste money on anything.

[Doc]

I'll bet they get one heck of a discount on their fencing ... lol.

[tughillhunter]

imagine the mainenance........ its a pain right in the butt on the elk farm checking fences all the time for tree damage, etc on a few hundred acres. to do that on thousands of acres..............

[Fantail]

You all want to know what's rediculous? - Fritos.

The most obnoxious stinky noisy 'snack' ever. People who eat them makes you smell like dog breath & @ss.

Edited December 12, 2012 by Fantail

[tughillhunter]

You all want to know what's rediculous? - Fritos.

The most obnoxious stinky noisy 'snack' ever. People who eat them makes you smell like dog breath & @ss.

i like the bbq twisty ones. lol

[steve863]

i like the bbq twisty ones. lol

I reckon you won't be offended if we call you dog breath then? LOL

[tughillhunter]

I reckon you won't be offended if we call you dog breath then? LOL

mr. dog breath to you, steve. lol

[accman]

- Fritos. The most obnoxious stinky noisy 'snack' ever. People who eat them makes you smell like dog breath & @ss.

Oh-Oh!

I guess when I eat clam dip with Fritos Scoops, I must have @ss & beaver breath too!!!

[steve863]

mr. dog breath to you, steve. lol

I bet Belo couldn't get away with calling you dog breath?? LOL

[tughillhunter]

nope. only every one else. lol

[Geno C]

i honestly do not see anything wrong with these hunts... They are not doing anything wrong or illegal here. would i do it? prob not so i dont... some are for it some are not but at the end of the day if you dont like it then dont watch it. Those who pass it off as real hunting, well i just laugh but they are not breaking any rules so who cares.

[Doc]

i honestly do not see anything wrong with these hunts... They are not doing anything wrong or illegal here. would i do it? prob not so i dont... some are for it some are not but at the end of the day if you dont like it then dont watch it. Those who pass it off as real hunting, well i just laugh but they are not breaking any rules so who cares.

I think that's what most are complaining about ..... the fact that they do pass it off as real hunting. And there is never any disclaimers to indicate otherwise, so the general non-hunting public that happens to stumble across those programs assumes that they represent what every hunter does. So, when we talk about challenge and such in our hunting, they kind of look at you sideways, and then change the subject .... lol. Also, new hunters pick up on unreasonable expectations when they enter the sport because they have been raised on these phoney-baloney programs. Also, I see more and more hunters driving themselves crazy trying to grow huge deer in open lands that look something like the pen-raised deer that they see harvested on TV. Also the expectations and demands that many hunters are now pursuing are being influenced by what they see on TV.

I do understand why they have to take shortcuts and knock a lot of the challenge and time out of their hunting process. Let's face it, they have a weekly show to do. They need results. They have demanding sponsors that want to see action and not excuses. If they are going to be in that business, they have to be prolific and can't be bothered by rules and fair chase and everyone else's versions of hunting ethics.

No, there absolutely is nothing illegal about what the TV hunter-heroes are doing (most of the time), but there is a false representation of what most of us do as hunters. And that will always be true whether we watch the shows or don't. So, if some hunters get a bit bent out of shape over the deceit and fakery that goes on, I guess I understand some of it.

[landtracdeerhunter]

I believe that we have lost the concept of what televisions shows really are created for. They are for entertainment purposes . This holds true for every subject matter. I think the days of watching the radio may be more valuable, than most of these shows that air today.

[Five Seasons]

I bet Belo couldn't get away with calling you dog breath?? LOL

i actually also really like the bbq flavored fritos.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I think that's what most are complaining about ..... the fact that they do pass it off as real hunting. And there is never any disclaimers to indicate otherwise

They always say the name of the "outfitter" or "hunting property" 100 times per show. Just Google the name and you find out what type of a hunt it probably was.

[WNYBuckHunter]

i actually also really like the bbq flavored fritos.

So you can call each other Dog Breath!