So what Gun was used by the coward in Newton CT..

[tony m]

You do realize that the article points to the 12/16 statement of lt Vance where he said what guns were used right?

Lt Vance and the medical examiner are the only two that have made statements as to what guns were used and their statements have not changed.

Yes, it does. Not disagreeing. The OP asked about what guns. I'm relaying when I heard about it which is a few days later.

[shawnhu]

Doewacker, do you deny that there is a lot of contradicting information out there? It may be clear to you, maybe because that's what you are ready to accept.

For many in this thread, I find that there's a valid reason to ask this question, but you seem to think ill of those folks who question the authenticity of the so called facts.

IMHO, I feel you may be overreacting to a valid question. I know this tragedy and the aftermath of how it will change how the USA will regulate firearms has weighed heavily on all our minds, but let's try to be civil and objective.

[sits in trees]

i can also recall early reports of hundreds of spent AR-15 shell casings found in the classroom?? have they backed away from that.

[Doewhacker]

Doewacker, do you deny that there is a lot of contradicting information out there? It may be clear to you, maybe because that's what you are ready to accept.

For many in this thread, I find that there's a valid reason to ask this question, but you seem to think ill of those folks who question the authenticity of the so called facts.

IMHO, I feel you may be overreacting to a valid question. I know this tragedy and the aftermath of how it will change how the USA will regulate firearms has weighed heavily on all our minds, but let's try to be civil and objective.

You know what drives me nuts? When people try to distract from what actualy happened for no good reason like this thread and the others where it has come up. There is absolutely no denying that lt Vance and the med examiner said what guns were used, what ever the goal was with these type of thread is far beyond me. It is indisputable fact what they have said and that is all there is to go on at this time. And then when the facts are displayed they are disputed with nothing to back any of the claims up.

The fact that some of you guys can't understand that the AR was used is what is going to hurt gun owners, stop wasting time and energy coming up with conspiracy theories and face the facts. You look like a bunch of fools at what will be the most important time for us gun owners in our life times. Move on and get ready for what is to come.

[Doewhacker]

And Shawn that is not directed at you.

[Doewhacker]

i can also recall early reports of hundreds of spent AR-15 shell casings found in the classroom?? have they backed away from that.

Lt Vance was very clear in stating that no specifics were given, they do know numbers of empties but that info hasn't been released yet. It will all be layed out when all of their work is complete.

[josephmrtn]

this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html

says:

Three weapons were recovered from the school: a semi-automatic .223 Bushmaster found in a car in the school parking lot, and a Glock and a Sig Sauer found with Lanza's body, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said. The weapons were legally purchased by Lanza's mother, the official said.

but i also heard reports of a shotgun...

digitaljournal.com/article/340113

After two weeks of media reports that a .223 AR-15 Bushmaster was found in the trunk of Lanza's car, gun aficionados point out that the rifle is not a Bushmaster, nor even an AR-class assault weapon.

Gun experts say that the weapon shown in an NBC News report is some kind of shotgun.

im not 100 percent sure what to believe knowing how "trustworthy" the news is nowadays but i dont think it matters much what he used, the fact remains that this is a horrific tragedy and IS making a big splash in the anti gun pool... very sad it was not prevented but w the current way laws are it will continue..... i am seeing that utah is taking a proper line of defence... i wish more states would follow there lead, although it prob will take a shooting in one of their schools that is stopped at the point of a teachers gun to convince other states to take action such as this...

[tony m]

conspiracy theories

Why do believe breaking down info and therefore asking questions is not, good?

I would have to go over it again. But that interview with the coroner has him not being able to answer a couple questions that he should have.

A jury would question that, which then can lead to questioning evidence.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Call it going out on a limb, but whenever the police are silent about an investigation, it usually means there's more to the story. Dare I say there's another suspect or more info they're looking for ? I've seen this in murder investigations when they don't release much info in case the suspect slips up. BTW Doe, I got a TC Impact

[Elmo]

223 is a varmint round. The 5.56 (which is what the military uses) is designed to injure combatants.

[Ford]

Same...Ever see what a 223 does to a prairie dog, or groundhog. Can blow them up. Same with 5.56, no difference.

What they can do on a human? Google 223 or 5.56 wounds. They are a devastating round against "soft" targets.

Bottom line...Really sucks that anyone has to get shot by anything, ever. Sad state of the world..

[Elmo]

223 is a sporting round. 5.56 is a military round. Both have identical external dimensions but the 5.56 has a thicker wall on its casing which allows it to handle a slightly higher pressure. This higher pressure allows it to also fire a heavier bullet more accurately. Most common weight for a 223 is 55 grains while military 5.56 is 75 grains. Military 5.56 must be chambered in full metal jacket in compliance with the Geneva Convention. It also allows it to penetrate armor better. The varmint purposes of the 223 is maximum expansion. The 5.56, however, can be reloaded to meet the same 223 specs. Both rounds will do a good number on human flesh, yes.

[sits in trees]

223 is a sporting round. 5.56 is a military round. Both have identical external dimensions but the 5.56 has a thicker wall on its casing which allows it to handle a slightly higher pressure. This higher pressure allows it to also fire a heavier bullet more accurately. Most common weight for a 223 is 55 grains while military 5.56 is 75 grains. Military 5.56 must be chambered in full metal jacket in compliance with the Geneva Convention. It also allows it to penetrate armor better. The varmint purposes of the 223 is maximum expansion. The 5.56, however, can be reloaded to meet the same 223 specs. Both rounds will do a good number on human flesh, yes.

bullet was also choosen by the military due to it being just big enough to do the job and small enought to be able to carry and transport lots of it.

[Elmo]

bullet was also choosen by the military due to it being just big enough to do the job and small enought to be able to carry and transport lots of it.

My bro told me he use to shoot 223's out of his M4 just for kicks. Ever so often, it'll jam because the lower pressure wouldn't be strong enough to push the firing pin/ejector back for enough to grab the next round into the chamber.

[silent death]

its just not the 223 or the 5.56 or ak or a ar rifle they are after.....you ever see what a 17hmr or even a 22 can do at close range to a animal.....they dont care what caliber or weapon is banned as long as it gets done. and once it does the domino affect willl happen... next it will be who needs a 338 or who needs a 300mag.... .... and the last time time i checked this was amerca land of the free . not land of the controlled....everytime a gun debate starts up in congress a shooting happends some where to support there agenda....And if anybody believes what the news says they are plain crazy cuz guess what the govermant controls them to....scary times my friends.... from what i heard they are trying to ban clip fed rifles to

not just semi auto... whats next muskets only .

Edited December 31, 2012 by hung4wheeler

[ants]

One step at a time. The antis and the media will assign their own names and definitions to guns to make them sound evil. " To hunt deer do you really need a SNIPER STYLE bolt action rifle that can fire five rounds of HIGH POWER ammunition in a few seconds and that can kill at HUNDREDS OF YARDS??" Sounds pretty bad to morons. Watch for the "evil" definitions.

Edited December 31, 2012 by ants

[silent death]

i dont think they care what gun you have they dont want you to have any.... and last i checked this is america . one can own any type of rifle they want. once you start telling people you cant have this and you cant do that its bs.... our country isnt a dictator ship yet . so ill keep what ever gun i got .come and getem is what i say. they can have my ammo first one bullet at a time... ill believe in the right to bear arms. not to give them up so we can be weak.... sorry for my rant...

Edited December 31, 2012 by hung4wheeler

[verminater71]

My bro told me he use to shoot 223's out of his M4 just for kicks. Ever so often, it'll jam because the lower pressure wouldn't be strong enough to push the firing pin/ejector back for enough to grab the next round into the chamber.

Elmo,

just a heads up, most AR15s are chambered for 5.56, or .223 I have put over 2,500 rounds through my M4 and you can't tell the difference between the 2

[Elmo]

Elmo,

just a heads up, most AR15s are chambered for 5.56, or .223 I have put over 2,500 rounds through my M4 and you can't tell the difference between the 2

Guess everyone has different experiences.

[waterweasle]

just got off the phone with a fed LEO buddy of mine, he said he heard from guys on the scene.................that the AR WASNT his primary weapon.................and I wont elaborate more on what I was told................

[Doc]

i dont think they care what gun you have they dont want you to have any.... and last i checked this is america . one can own any type of rifle they want. once you start telling people you cant have this and you cant do that its bs.... our country isnt a dictator ship yet . so ill keep what ever gun i got .come and getem is what i say. they can have my ammo first one bullet at a time... ill believe in the right to bear arms. not to give them up so we can be weak.... sorry for my rant...

Ok, that all sounds real good, but let's have a little reality check for a minute. Suppose the confiscation laws were backed up with a statement that simple possession of certain firearms that you currently own was going to be made illegal to own, and the penalties involved some significant jail time. Also, suppose you had made a recent purchase which these days involves a solid paper trail right to your doorstep (we talk about not wanting long-gun registration.... as far as I can tell, we already have it). So anyway, some of your guns may very well be "on the books". So when a trooper or whatever shows up in your doorway asking where that gun is that you recently bought, what exactly will your response be. Also, what good is a gun that you have to keep boarded up in your wall or buried, rusting away under your lawn?

These threats of resistance all sound real good, but the better action is to simply support pro-gun organizations, and assist them in their fight against such confiscations politically and through the courts. That is a much more responsible and realistic response than implying some kind of armed resistance.

[tony m]

These threats of resistance all sound real good, but the better action is to simply support pro-gun organizations, and assist them in their fight against such confiscations politically and through the courts. That is a much more responsible and realistic response than implying some kind of armed resistance.

Supporting org's is good. But it's not good enough. Individuals have to get involved, themselves.

Show numbers.

There are numerous action to take. But people have to take on that responsibility themselves instead of only depending on others to do it.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Elmo,

just a heads up, most AR15s are chambered for 5.56, or .223 I have put over 2,500 rounds through my M4 and you can't tell the difference between the 2

I wonder if the M4 he is using may have a piston drive setup on it. Those need to be tuned for the type of ammo you use. Lower pressures can cause them to malfunction.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Also, suppose you had made a recent purchase which these days involves a solid paper trail right to your doorstep (we talk about not wanting long-gun registration.... as far as I can tell, we already have it). So anyway, some of your guns may very well be "on the books". So when a trooper or whatever shows up in your doorway asking where that gun is that you recently bought, what exactly will your response be.

"Sold it, dont remember the guy that bought it. Have a nice day."

[Doewhacker]

Ok, that all sounds real good, but let's have a little reality check for a minute. Suppose the confiscation laws were backed up with a statement that simple possession of certain firearms that you currently own was going to be made illegal to own, and the penalties involved some significant jail time. Also, suppose you had made a recent purchase which these days involves a solid paper trail right to your doorstep (we talk about not wanting long-gun registration.... as far as I can tell, we already have it). So anyway, some of your guns may very well be "on the books". So when a trooper or whatever shows up in your doorway asking where that gun is that you recently bought, what exactly will your response be. Also, what good is a gun that you have to keep boarded up in your wall or buried, rusting away under your lawn?

These threats of resistance all sound real good, but the better action is to simply support pro-gun organizations, and assist them in their fight against such confiscations politically and through the courts. That is a much more responsible and realistic response than implying some kind of armed resistance.

Or we could all go read the fourth amendment.