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SteveB Enthusiast

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Same people, sites hosted on the same subnet (probably the same web server), etc etc. They go through alot trying to hide their stripes.

 

http://arforny.com/

 

 

That site shows 2 kills of 3.5 bucks at the top.

Definitely shows they are all about shooting bigger bucks, but not about letting bucks reach maturity as they claim.

 

All about making it easier to kill a little bigger buck and NOT about maturity, QDM or herd health.

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Here is another goal listed by them.

 

 
Access

Improving access for hunter throughout the state by educating land owners as to the environmental benefits of hunting and encouraging the DEC to do the same.

 

 

Claim to support access but the very foundation of their organization is to create better trophies.

A reputation for better, easier trophies will do more to limit access than about anything they could do.

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Well, at least this was posted in the right section, instead of everywhere else on the forum. At one point it was like seeing those democrats in front of the grocery store with the clip-boards, panning for votes.

 

Ever run into them at a booth? They set up at shows and Bass Pro from time to time. Disagree with them and see how that conversation goes.

 

Masked trophy hunting. Booners for everyone, right?

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I did not open the link, nor do I really care about the topic as I agree many hunters have different goals, standards etc. and that's just fine.

 

However, if you are a trophy hunter (and in my book as long as you're not wasting the meat then that's fine) I do not see anything wrong with joining a group that has similar goals.*

 

 

*so long as they're ethical and not hurting other hunters. With "hurting" being subjective.

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I did not open the link, nor do I really care about the topic as I agree many hunters have different goals, standards etc. and that's just fine.

 

However, if you are a trophy hunter (and in my book as long as you're not wasting the meat then that's fine) I do not see anything wrong with joining a group that has similar goals.*

 

 

*so long as they're ethical and not hurting other hunters. With "hurting" being subjective.

 

Their goal is to shove Antler Restrictions down everyone in the state's throat.

 

They can get bent as far as Im concerned.

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phade Mentor

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Last encounter with them at BP as I declined politely to sign their petition/join, they started barking at me about how I don't care if small bucks are shot, and that because I didn't sign up that I shoot small bucks and perpetuate "the problem."

 

I told the guy  that I agree if someone wants to take a small, legal buck, then so be it. Not everyone wants antlers or older deer, or has alot of field time available with how busy life is. I let him know that those weekend warriors and those who may only go out opening day each year are what keeps license sales afloat and keeps our voice relatively loud. Then I asked him how old was the buck he shot last year and showed him a pic of the jawbone of the buck I shot last year and he shut up pretty quick. I said learn to hunt and you won't be whining about what others do with their own decision making process.

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Sure... back in the 70's many hunters were against shooting does... notions about how shooting them would kill off the buck populations because does produced fawns that could be bucks... misinformation produced a bunch of anti doe killing hunters, some that lobbied hard not to have doe tags and even refused to allow doe hunting on their land or if you hunted in their group... all this despite the growing overpopulation of deer (especially females)... it was all about the antlers back then, big or small... hunter couldn't care less about how doe take was essential to good conservation... they didn't want to kill them and that was it... not much different with yearly buck protection... buck age structure and buck:doe ratios matter little to todays hunter regardless of its benefits to an optimal deer herd... if we found out tomorrow that killing big bucks was detrimental to the deer herd.. I'd start shooting small bucks again and let the big guys walk... and would support any change in the regs that reflected that... a great number of hunter in NY are way more concerned about what they want than anything that has to do with real conservation of whitetails, they like to talk the talk but can't be bothered to walk the walk.

 

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Culvercreek hunt club Enthusiast

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Joe,

 

I know there are still those against taking does. I have seen some post on this forum. But I don't think the number of those against that are as high as they were. how did that change? There was a shift. It wasn't mandated you had to take a doe (aside from some EAB programs). I think changes are more possible in todays age than ever before thatnks to how connected everyone is with social media and such. We have the best opportunities ever to get information out there to sway or change the opinios of our fellow hunters. (Never gonna happen with everyone but eventually they will be out of the hunting gene pool, we all will). I believe changes can be made without shoving it down the throats of hunters. We are a resistant bunch by nature and the push gets instant push back. This group is has pushed inthe past and continues to push.

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I am more for the voluntary methods of affecting change in deer management policy rather than the force-fed methods (legislation). But I also am not real big on the social media "nagging" methods either. There seems to be a push on hunting forums in general to make others feel "guilty" about their harvest selections. That gets old in a hurry also. To me it all seems like just another of many "wedge" issues that are very effective at eliminating hunters from our ranks.

 

 

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Joe,

 

I know there are still those against taking does. I have seen some post on this forum. But I don't think the number of those against that are as high as they were. how did that change? There was a shift. It wasn't mandated you had to take a doe (aside from some EAB programs). I think changes are more possible in todays age than ever before thatnks to how connected everyone is with social media and such. We have the best opportunities ever to get information out there to sway or change the opinios of our fellow hunters. (Never gonna happen with everyone but eventually they will be out of the hunting gene pool, we all will). I believe changes can be made without shoving it down the throats of hunters. We are a resistant bunch by nature and the push gets instant push back. This group is has pushed inthe past and continues to push.

I agree that there are there is quite a bit of "shoving down throats", the subject of protecting young bucks is a hard one for hunters to swallow because it means not being able to do what "they" want... which for many is make sure they don't have to tell their hunting buddies they didn't get a buck. My point was only that I think many hunters really don't care about the deer or conservation.

 

Having been one of the fellas that introduced the whole idea of young buck protection years ago before anyone in NY new what it meant I know how tough a task it has been to educate hunters on the concept of maintaining a strong age structure among bucks. And I agree that there are those that push a bit too hard. And, I have always said that I believe organizations like QDMA went the wrong way years ago by selling the idea using the "more trophy bucks" angle. I think that's where the AR advocates sometime have lost their way. Although I feel that at the time it may have been the only way to get hunters to listen to what I feel is a strong part of whitetail conservation.

 

I'm not keen on mandating ARs across the state either, but I also won't play down the importance of the concept or deny it's proven success which seems to be what many hunters do to justify their want to get a buck at all costs to impress their buddies with no regard for how it might affect the deer.

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