Who posts a potential new WR and isn't joking?

[beachpeaz]

Sure, hunter skill isn't a representation solely built on the size of deer they've harvested. However, people who haven't hunted in the area say they could come in and find a booner behind every tree in Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, etc. simply are not taking into account the bullet list that really qualifies hunter skill. Face it most people in those states still don't shoot B/C caliber bucks. B/C bucks make up a tiny fraction of the overall herd in any of those states.

 

Shooting a public land B/C, shooting one on opening day of bow season, and having a half dozen B/C bucks (all three of those who know of the buck) says something however. Getting one and lucky is one thing, having historically ability to seal the deal on world-class bucks on multiple occasions begins to shatter the premise that it is JUST all location and money, skill comes into play at some point. Location can make a bad hunter look good - it's the great mitigator - but when you start putting up bucks on the wall that were a common base away from shattering a world record after you've killed a handful of book bucks already, I'd say that boy can hunt, regardless if he were smack dab in the best Iowa county.

 

It's like saying Peyton Manning was solely a benefactor of having good genes (from pops), having been consistently placed into a great pedigree atmosphere (UT), and then stating that his success  in the NFL thus far is something that anyone could come in and do if they had the same path. At some level, skill comes into play.

 

I beg to differ about the fact that shooting one in NY takes more skill. The guy who shot the borderline B/C buck we were following all season shot the buck out of pure luck. He was forced to take his stand off our hunting parcel the Wed before season opener. He ended up setting up a blind in the middle of a 90 acre corn field because he had no other place to go hunt because other hunters rung around the field edge with their stands. Guess what ran by across the street after being spooked by a car? Guess who shot it? Not the guys with more than 20 trail cam photos of it, nor the farmer's grandson who had hours of video of the buck in summer for three years...the guy with the bargain basement smoothbore and sluggers who set a blind based on no logic, and who had been cited for game violations in the past. He killed that deer by luck.

 

Should he kill another two or three, I then start to believe he has more skill than what I can comprehend.

 

Now, a hunter here with several 125+ in deer here could be equally skilled, that's not the point. I don't care how good of ground you have, when you start having your name in the book multiple times, you are doing something right when it comes to hunting.

 

I'm not discrediting HIS particular skill level.  I don't know him and don't pass judgement on people I don't know.  He may be a world class skilled hunter for all I know.

 

However, in order to shoot (I believe what the post said) was 9 bucks over 170", I can GAURANTEE you that the property holds a TON of big bucks.  Like I said, watch a hunting show when they go to these places in OH, IA, IL, Canada, Etc.  These guys sit in a stand and see 5, 6, 10 bucks a day that ANYONE in NY would shoot (150", 160", etc.) and don't shoot because they know the 170 will walk out.  There is ZERO skill involved, its all money, luck of the draw, etc.

 

Very few people who have that many big deer, find public property, scout it, hunt with herds and herds of other hunters, and have a wall full of booners.  Are there some?  Absolutely there are, and maybe he is one of them!

 

I was making a generalized statment about that scenario is all.

 

[phade]

I'm not discrediting HIS particular skill level.  I don't know him and don't pass judgement on people I don't know.  He may be a world class skilled hunter for all I know.

 

However, in order to shoot (I believe what the post said) was 9 bucks over 170", I can GAURANTEE you that the property holds a TON of big bucks.  Like I said, watch a hunting show when they go to these places in OH, IA, IL, Canada, Etc.  These guys sit in a stand and see 5, 6, 10 bucks a day that ANYONE in NY would shoot (150", 160", etc.) and don't shoot because they know the 170 will walk out.  There is ZERO skill involved, its all money, luck of the draw, etc.

 

Very few people who have that many big deer, find public property, scout it, hunt with herds and herds of other hunters, and have a wall full of booners.  Are there some?  Absolutely there are, and maybe he is one of them!

 

I was making a generalized statment about that scenario is all.

 

 

I know Chad and he's hunting on permission - not a dime spent on a lease or buying the ground. He will buy it someday, no doubt. Granted the place does hold nice bucks, but he's killed enough to make it clear he can have ice in his veins to make the shot and at the same time put him in position for the shot. He also doesn't have big bucks behind every tree either. Typically there's one good buck a season. He's pretty much bummed that buck has left his area, because that's really all he had to hunt book wise.

 

Part of what you said is the problem - most people can't pass up 150 and 160 in deer. That's not a facet of geography, that's a facet of personal trigger restraint. People don't pass them because they think a 170 will step out, they pass them so they can turn into a 170 or 180 or 200. It's the hardest thing to do in hunting in my opinion, right or wrong. I know I can't.

Edited November 27, 2013 by phade

[beachpeaz]

I know Chad and he's hunting on permission - not a dime spent on a lease or buying the ground. He will buy it someday, no doubt. Granted the place does hold nice bucks, but he's killed enough to make it clear he can have ice in his veins to make the shot and at the same time put him in position for the shot. He also doesn't have big bucks behind every tree either. Typically there's one good buck a season. He's pretty much bummed that buck has left his area, because that's really all he had to hunt book wise.

 

Part of what you said is the problem - most people can't pass up 150 and 160 in deer. That's not a facet of geography, that's a facet of personal trigger restraint. People don't pass them because they think a 170 will step out, they pass them so they can turn into a 170 or 180 or 200. It's the hardest thing to do in hunting in my opinion, right or wrong. I know I can't.

 

I agree with you 100%.

[Arrow Flinger]

I know Chad and he's hunting on permission - not a dime spent on a lease or buying the ground. He will buy it someday, no doubt. Granted the place does hold nice bucks, but he's killed enough to make it clear he can have ice in his veins to make the shot and at the same time put him in position for the shot. He also doesn't have big bucks behind every tree either. Typically there's one good buck a season. He's pretty much bummed that buck has left his area, because that's really all he had to hunt book wise.

 

Part of what you said is the problem - most people can't pass up 150 and 160 in deer. That's not a facet of geography, that's a facet of personal trigger restraint. People don't pass them because they think a 170 will step out, they pass them so they can turn into a 170 or 180 or 200. It's the hardest thing to do in hunting in my opinion, right or wrong. I know I can't.

 

 

Heck, I have a hard time passing up yearling bucks sometimes! I saw 7 different bucks out of one of my stands this year and could have shot 4 of them. It was tough to pass a couple of them!

[nyantler]

Incredible deer but not sure it beats Hansen with all the kickers.

 

I'm with you... its as impressive as they get, but not sure it's as perfect a typical as the Hanson buck... it would definitely be in the running though.

[HUNTINGS IN MY DNA]

That is a booner

We will be known forever by the tracks we leave!

[NFA-ADK]

He would get a pass with me, not big enough.  LOL  yea right!  DAM that is a freak!  Keeping a steady sight on him would be fun to try!  Willing to volunteer if needed!

 

I find it funny that some people think shooting many deer makes you a good deer hunter.  One thing I have learned over the years is anyone can become a good hunter and they do not have to take a monster buck to prove it or shoot a bunch of deer.  Just because I can kill many deer in one year does not mean I will or should.

 

I had a guy at camp who says he shot more than 200 deer(Proved to be a lie...).  I would bet my house that my hunting partner of over 26 years is a much better hunter...  And he has never taken a shot at a deer in NY in 26 years of hunting!  Hunting 20 ft up a tree on a farm is not the same as hunting deep woods on the ground...  JMO

 

 

[Doewhacker]

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2239340&page=47

So after reading about the other goof that pulled some shenanigans and also reading a member here reference this deer and guy I decided to pull this one back from the dead. Unreal that this guy Chad went to such lengths just to get some notoriety, well he's got it now.

[Pygmy]

He'll be a dandy next year...<<yawn>>...

[fasteddie]

Ahhhhhhhh , give it a couple more years !

[Lawdwaz]

God fearing phony A-holes.

 

 

Why is this not a surprise?

[Lawdwaz]

Seems that recently a similar subject came up in a post I commented on.  I think it was one of Biz's threads??

 

Anyone recall the thread?

[burmjohn]

Wew just tried to read that thread at AT. So basically he is a pen deer hunter and someone busted him and he deleted his facebook twitter and other accounts.

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[Jason118]

Wow. Just wow

[Meat Manager]

This guy:

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2135056&page=11

I'm lucky enough to have spoken to two people who can vouch for the buck being legit. Both of them have taken B&C bucks and one has watched the buck all summer by spotter. He actually told me about this buck in the summer and said he thought it'd be a record contender. Same guy shot a typical that was a common base away from being a new record (not the one D&DH is spouting off about). The buck has traveled a long distance from its summer range - to the point it's absurd. More than a few miles.

I can't believe the guy would post such a thing, but whatever. Talk about a lot of added trouble in the area.

What's up with your sources?

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[phade]

Some of these guys are in deep doo-doo.

 

As for my sources, there's a guy that hasn't been heard from on this topic since the initial sighting, and he's "known" to be on the up-and-up. Heck, he's been on the cover of NAW. I don't know if he is involved in this scheme, but I sure hope not.

 

Chad is the guy most of these people are talking about. I think the thing that is most concerning is that he has killed some free-range bucks that were high scoring, but obviously he's supplemented them with high fence kills passed off as fair chase/no fence. Not really sure why this is the case. Rather religious guy, too. Saddening.

[Meat Manager]

Some of these guys are in deep doo-doo.

As for my sources, there's a guy that hasn't been heard from on this topic since the initial sighting, and he's "known" to be on the up-and-up. Heck, he's been on the cover of NAW. I don't know if he is involved in this scheme, but I sure hope not.

Chad is the guy most of these people are talking about. I think the thing that is most concerning is that he has killed some free-range bucks that were high scoring, but obviously he's supplemented them with high fence kills passed off as fair chase/no fence. Not really sure why this is the case. Rather religious guy, too. Saddening.

I think my point is three fold:

1. This is what antler obsession leads to.

2. People in the "industry" and on covers of "industry publications" are the most likely to do something like this.

3. You unknowingly helped perpetuate this fraud by referencing (anonymously) "insider experts."

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Edited May 13, 2014 by Meat Manager

[phade]

I think my point is three fold:

1. This is what antler obsession leads to.

2. People in the "industry" and on covers of "industry publications" are the most likely to do something like this.

3. You unknowingly helped perpetuate this fraud by referencing (anonymously) "insider experts."

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I'm not sure one of these guys is involved (the guy who's been on the cover of NAW). He may have been duped as well.

 

#2 - I highly doubt people in the industry are more likely to do this based on numbers alone. I suspect the most likely in that sense are the ones who never get caught and are average joes. I think everyone knows one or two local town folk who jack, bait or similar stupid things to meet their antler fetish. These two cases are pretty elaborate and mind-boggling.

 

Look, Chad has killed big deer, he was on an online hunting channel, and there was no indication by anyone that he had been doing something like this until these events came to light. Nobody was the wiser. So your #3 is a complete useless statement. Nice try to spin things there, Mr. Deer.

Edited May 13, 2014 by phade

[Doewhacker]

One of the Chad's is the guy "ohiobooners" that has been caught in a big pile of lies, from trying to pass fenced killed deer as free range to mounting replica's. He is a 100% fraud as are all of kills I suspect. The other Chad goes by "Chasinwhitetail" and as of this second could still be legit but I have my doubts.

 

It sure sounds like the buck OG is a pen deer, the owner of the operation confirmed some one killed a 235' typical but cannot release his pic apparently.

 

This and other cases go to show there is nothing guys will stop at to be famous in deer hunting, it has gone on for a lot longer than the internet but now it is a lot harder to get away with.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Doewhacker

[phade]

One of the Chad's is the guy "ohiobooners" that has been caught in a big pile of lies, from trying to pass fenced killed deer as free range to mounting replica's. He is a 100% fraud as are all of kills I suspect. The other Chad goes by "Chasinwhitetail" and as of this second could still be legit but I have my doubts.

 

It sure sounds like the buck OG is a pen deer, the owner of the operation confirmed some one killed a 235' typical but cannot release his pic apparently.

 

This and other cases go to show there is nothing guys will stop at to be famous in deer hunting, it has gone on for a lot longer than the internet but now it is a lot harder to get away with.

 

195B&C is another one who has been associated with this, but I don't know to what detail. He lives very close to OB, but from my interactions, he's given me no hint of being involved and I think he's simply been duped. I could be wrong again, but he's killed some big deer, too. The scrutiny in killing big deer is through the roof.

[Doewhacker]

Yes it seems as though 195 has not posted since the news broke either which is suspicious.

[BizCT]

I don't know how these guys sleep at night. Similar to the fake brown bear that rowdy dowdy tv hunter shot.

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[phade]

Yes it seems as though 195 has not posted since the news broke either which is suspicious.

 

He's friends with Chasin, so I don't think he knows OB very well.

 

He also doesn't post much.

 

I can say he sent me pics 2-3 years ago of a buck he has been glassing in the summer and shot opening day in KY. He sent me trail cams pics on a farm bean field with the buck in it and a farm in the background, well before opening day. Didn't look high fence to me, but who knows.

[Meat Manager]

I'm not sure one of these guys is involved (the guy who's been on the cover of NAW). He may have been duped as well.

#2 - I highly doubt people in the industry are more likely to do this based on numbers alone. I suspect the most likely in that sense are the ones who never get caught and are average joes. I think everyone knows one or two local town folk who jack, bait or similar stupid things to meet their antler fetish. These two cases are pretty elaborate and mind-boggling.

Look, Chad has killed big deer, he was on an online hunting channel, and there was no indication by anyone that he had been doing something like this until these events came to light. Nobody was the wiser. So your #3 is a complete useless statement. Nice try to spin things there, Mr. Deer.

The entire crux is in #3...you posted this up on a separate forum and confirmed its legitimacy with two sources.

As for #2, the industry jerks have an income motive...b&c=$$$.

Another question, once inside a high fence, what besides the fence in a picture would indicate that you were or weren't inside the fence. A picture sent to you by some other internet dude.

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Edited May 13, 2014 by Meat Manager

[Doewhacker]

It is completely possible to take a pic of a deer inside a fence and hide the fence or doctor it up to look legit. Not saying that happened, just saying.