Cuomo says "conservative Republicans … have no place in the state of New York..."

[Suilleabhain]

Cuomo will get re-elected. There is no one known well enough state-wide that is any better than him. When I say better I mean middle of the road to conservative. But, and there's always a but, you can hope that his backing is so comfortable in the urban areas that they don't come out to vote or the anti-Cuomo vote is so strong he has no mandate and looks poor for a pres run. Like Trump will beat him? I think not.

As far as all my votes, they go anti-incumbent. If they aren't against what I want, they are part of a long running FUBAR political machine that has not been in my best interest for years.

[bubba]

rumor has it that in April there will be an announcement by a candidate that is conservative as well as the lt gov.  and they have the money to get it done

[Doc]

Cuomo will get re-elected. There is no one known well enough state-wide that is any better than him. When I say better I mean middle of the road to conservative. But, and there's always a but, you can hope that his backing is so comfortable in the urban areas that they don't come out to vote or the anti-Cuomo vote is so strong he has no mandate and looks poor for a pres run. Like Trump will beat him? I think not.

As far as all my votes, they go anti-incumbent. If they aren't against what I want, they are part of a long running FUBAR political machine that has not been in my best interest for years.

 

Votes cast only on an anti-incumbent basis punish those who voted against the SAFE ACT equally with those who voted for it, sending a very badly confused message on future gun control issues and votes. If legislators get no benefits from being in our corner, I have no doubt that they will head for the side that does reward their loyalty. Focus people! keep that anti-SAFE ACT passion working for us.

[covert]

On one hand I was already working on a plan to get out and watch the state collapse from afar, but on the other I want to stay just to spit in his face.  Why should I leave?  *Insert rated R rant about Cuomo's family history here*

 

I can't understand how anyone on our side can possibly be gullible enough to believe that someone like this snake is giving advice to try and help the other party gain more power.

 

[Doc]

That sucker and his kind will never run me out.

[bubba]

We have a place here.  To send him packing

[covert]

That sucker and his kind will never run me out.

 

Sometimes I think that too, but you know, then I think about the direction this state keeps creeping and obviously it is tipping further and further in the other direction all the time.  I have two young sons now and I'm still young enough that I can move them somewhere where they'll have more opportunity for a better future now before it's too late. 

 

I don't mean too late like the razor wire is going up around the border, I mean before they get too entrenched with school and friends and such.  Why shouldn't I pack up my family and move to a place where most of the people share our values?  You get tired of losing all the damn time.  I'm ok with winning some and losing some but being a conservative in NYS you begin to understand how Sisyphus felt.

Edited January 19, 2014 by covert

[Doc]

I agree with your frustration. But I've had this kind of discussion before with other people, and when you try to pick out a place that is better, you always find the residents of every state whining and complaining about some aspect of life where they live. You know what they say about the greenness of the grass on the other side of the fence .... lol. When I exclude the political landscape here, to me this is one hell of a great place to live. Also, as I look into anywhere in the northeast, I find that the politics of liberalism isn't really all that far behind us. ha-ha .... you can run but you can't hide.

[bubba]

look bigger than the state.  if we lose the house in mid terms, the whole country will look the same.  Gun control will fly through and then there is no place to escape to.

[sits in trees]

New York city and Albany run the state. I'm neither Dem or Republican, I like some of what both sides offer and hate some of what both sides offer. We need a new party in this country called the common sense party!

Im with this person, and really have no love for for the extreme right wing ideologues or the extreme left wing nutz, Both want everything to do with your lives.

[bubba]

we let nyc run our lives.  More people outside the city than in it.  They just do not bother to get involved. 

[sits in trees]

we let nyc run our lives.  More people outside the city than in it.  They just do not bother to get involved. 

Wrong, more people in the city and more money also. About 19 million people in this state, well over 10 million in the city, 4 mil in good ole Brooklyn alone. That's not counting Long Island and lower NY that overwhelmingly vote Dem.....Did you ever think that if the right wing hasn't become so extreme and drop some of their OLD ideas that we might actually have more of a chance as sportsman and gun owners in NY. People in NY don't like rightwing conservative values and ideals. NY'ers are open minded people and have dropped most conservative Republican ideas decades ago. We are being dragged down.

Edited January 19, 2014 by sits in trees

[covert]

As far climate, weather, hunting I think we have THE best spot without a doubt.  Problem is that the politics affect all of that. 

 

We built our house in 2006 and since then we have paid ~$60,000 in property taxes.  It's not some big fancy mansion either.  Not near a village so no water, sewer, sidewalks etc.  That's school, fire and county.  We could go out West and have a comparable house for 1/5th of that.  Pick the right state and knock sales and income taxes right off the top. 

 

I'm about ready to take off and watch NY collapse under it's own weight from afar.  I'll feel a bit bad for the decent people who get stuck footing the bill, but in the end, we all have a choice to stay or go.

[bubba]

so you are saying we should become more liberal to be conservative?  

[Suilleabhain]

Doc, there's 1 person down here that voted against the Safe Act and he's been wrong on everything else. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then

[bubba]

a lot of different things to look at along with did they vote for it.  How about did they stand against the message of necessity to delay the vote and how they voted on the budget to bank roll it.  How has their record been on other things or did they vote against it knowing it would pass for voter points

 

[Suilleabhain]

Exactly Bubba. Any dip could see this was going to pass so voting against it was a good popular move.

[bubba]

my senator did just that

[Five Seasons]

Not everyone who is pro gun (F that "pro-assault-weapon" nonsense) is right to life or anti gay, or fits any little preconceived notion that Cuomo is spouting about. Hes a delusional windbag.

That's the part really pisses me off. Not just with cuomo but with bipartisan politics in general. I'm fiscally conservative but social moderate... So because I vote republican it's assumed I'm anti abortion, gay etc? Such bullshit

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[Peter Otero]

Quite a few did. I looked it up when the bill went through. All down state RINO's. Or Cuomo's republicans. What is sickening is he is right. We don't have a voice that is strong enough that it needs to be listened to. Downstate controls this state whether we like it or not and we will never over come that.....

As a downstate resident I have to agree with this! I'm a law abiding firearms owner but a according to the former mayor of NYC that douche Bloomberg in some way shape or form we owners are responsible for all the illegal guns in NYC and the surrounding areas!! I think It's time we all stand up!!!

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[Doc]

As a downstate resident I have to agree with this! I'm a law abiding firearms owner but a according to the former mayor of NYC that douche Bloomberg in some way shape or form we owners are responsible for all the illegal guns in NYC and the surrounding areas!! I think It's time we all stand up!!! -Pete

And of course, that is the question ..... How do we motivate all gun owners to "stand up"? We only have a few months to make it happen, so what do you all think would be the most effective way to get out the vote?

[genesee_mohican]

And of course, that is the question ..... How do we motivate all gun owners to "stand up"? We only have a few months to make it happen, so what do you all think would be the most effective way to get out the vote?

 

How do we inform all gun owners on the importance of what is at stake here? That is the question!  Most have given up and don't realize they can make a difference by voting. How will the very small number of NY'ers who are informed, and ready to take Cuomo and his anti gun agenda on, get organized to get the word out to the millions of apathetic gun owners and hunters and light a fire in them so we can be heard and turn this around?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

  What the Republican party needs is someone who is a staunch conservative fiscally, but progressive on social issues.  

 

New Yorkers do not vote  bible thumpers into office. 

Well there is an oxymoron for you. How do you pay for these "progressive social" programs and be staunchly conservative fiscally? Think about it.

 

You can be very conservative and not be a "Bible thumper".  While they may share some of the same views, they are not necessarily the same lines of thought.

[Doc]

I'm thinking that by now, anyone who is living in this state and who owns a gun has heard about the SAFE ACT. It has been an issue that is really hard to hide from. I also think they all know what is at stake too. For the past year, you could hardly turn on the TV or radio, or pick up a newspaper without see something about that law. And if you know another gun owner or two, it is unlikely that the subject has not come up at some point. I think the real problem is simply apathy, and a willingness to duck any kind of controversy or engage in any kind of fight. The thought is that "no matter what, I can hang on to my shotgun and go hunting at least through the remainder of my lifetime and the heck with future generations". It's a selfish attitude, but it is just the way many people approach conflict in their lives. How are you going to get the attention of those with that attitude.

 

And then there are the traditional party-line voters. They don't vote issues, but they vote a straight party line ticket regardless of what is going on around them. How do you crack that nut?

 

And yes, there are those that have simply given up. The attitude that they have is that, "Look, I am only one vote in a very big and liberal state. How can I possibly change anything?"  The defeatist gun owner ..... hard to turn around.

 

The lazy gun owner. That's the guy that knows that he should get down there and vote but is so self absorbed in daily life and personal activities, or maybe his favorite TV program is on that night. That guy just simply doesn't want to because it isn't convenient or something he wants to do that day. Is there any way to get him fired up into action?

 

Somehow we are going to have to figure out how to light a fire under these folks in just a few vey short months. I'm afraid that it is going to take a lot of one-on-one jawboning to get these people fired up to actually vote their convictions. It may take some letters to the editor. It may take some joining of pro-gun advocacy organizations. It may take some activism, and yes even those roadside signs may have an impact by keeping the issue before their faces on a daily basis. More individual and group conversations, and maybe some other things that I haven't even thought of yet. But whatever it takes, we have only 9 months to turn these people around and avoid squandering a once in a lifetime opportunity to deliver a very powerful message to our elected representatives who have just recently took a very large and public dump on all gun owners. There's an awful lot of people claiming that we can't do it. A whole pile of gun owners that have simply given up, or can't be bothered. Maybe they are all correct. Time will tell what gun owners are really made of. Are they all talk, or can they be inspired do the right thing?

[Merlot]

I'm thinking that by now, anyone who is living in this state and who owns a gun has heard about the SAFE ACT. It has been an issue that is really hard to hide from. I also think they all know what is at stake too. For the past year, you could hardly turn on the TV or radio, or pick up a newspaper without see something about that law. And if you know another gun owner or two, it is unlikely that the subject has not come up at some point. I think the real problem is simply apathy, and a willingness to duck any kind of controversy or engage in any kind of fight. The thought is that "no matter what, I can hang on to my shotgun and go hunting at least through the remainder of my lifetime and the heck with future generations". It's a selfish attitude, but it is just the way many people approach conflict in their lives. How are you going to get the attention of those with that attitude.

 

And then there are the traditional party-line voters. They don't vote issues, but they vote a straight party line ticket regardless of what is going on around them. How do you crack that nut?

 

And yes, there are those that have simply given up. The attitude that they have is that, "Look, I am only one vote in a very big and liberal state. How can I possibly change anything?"  The defeatist gun owner ..... hard to turn around.

 

The lazy gun owner. That's the guy that knows that he should get down there and vote but is so self absorbed in daily life and personal activities, or maybe his favorite TV program is on that night. That guy just simply doesn't want to because it isn't convenient or something he wants to do that day. Is there any way to get him fired up into action?

 

Somehow we are going to have to figure out how to light a fire under these folks in just a few vey short months. I'm afraid that it is going to take a lot of one-on-one jawboning to get these people fired up to actually vote their convictions. It may take some letters to the editor. It may take some joining of pro-gun advocacy organizations. It may take some activism, and yes even those roadside signs may have an impact by keeping the issue before their faces on a daily basis. More individual and group conversations, and maybe some other things that I haven't even thought of yet. But whatever it takes, we have only 9 months to turn these people around and avoid squandering a once in a lifetime opportunity to deliver a very powerful message to our elected representatives who have just recently took a very large and public dump on all gun owners. There's an awful lot of people claiming that we can't do it. A whole pile of gun owners that have simply given up, or can't be bothered. Maybe they are all correct. Time will tell what gun owners are really made of. Are they all talk, or can they be inspired do the right thing?

It's a tough nut to crack trying to gather enough support for the cause. One way in trying to gather support for our issue is to solicit and combine support from other people concerned about other rights being taken away...something as simple as linking the proposed 32 ounce soda restriction or the use table salt in NYC, (I don't recall the exact stupid restrictions being kicked around) with our 2nd amendment concerns. Using social media to tie these items together may be a way to reach out to others and to warn other groups of future socialistic possibilities on the horizon.

Getting Safari club international, pheasants unlimited, ruffed grouse society, etc., more involved, if not already, and using the print media to get the word out. Again..tough nut to crack here.