Helping The World

[Four Season Whitetail's]

LOL.. more of this BS? Has anyone else noticed that after his initials post FSW has spent the remainder of his posts trying to convince everyone that he isn't full of ----.

You dont have to convince when you post the truth. Its simple.    The funny part its the same 4 or 5 cowboys that complain and whine about some posts. Its also funny to watch the same one complain and whine that a few of their toys are being labeled as useless and being outlawed on another thread. Time after time and its just getting started.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

haha I noticed that... and did you notice that he didn't respond to my yes or no only answer topic last week?  he couldn't answer it with a simple yes or no answer because he knew he would blow up the topic and try to SPREAD more of his Bull....

Why would i reply to a post that means little to nothing.  A few of the people that posted answers have also posted in other threads that they know very little about CWD.  See the bull i spread a facts proven by science and the ones that are threatened are the ones that try to deny the facts and science.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

It is getting old. And really this a hunting forum, not farming. Isn't there an off topic forum all this crap can be moved to?

Maybe you should read what the word General in this thread heading means!! Do you also find it difficult to pass over a post? Seems the ones on here that complain the most just keep coming back to them over and over.  Kinda shows ya something dont ya think??

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Has there been any testing of the native species for susceptibility to whitetail illnesses or parasites, like brainworm?

FSW? Any answer?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Its not real complex to just skip over a post without reading and surely without adding whatever it is you think you are adding.

I think???? you should be bright enough to do that. Wait till the trail cam pics start showing up. I have some great new spots i threw some cams up in. Showing g's in April...Thats what im talking about.

 

oooooo, trail cam pics of farm animals. Impressive....

[Four Season Whitetail's]

FSW? Any answer?

Maybe you should ask those involved. Got the number?

[SteveB]

The funny part its the same 4 or 5 cowboys that complain and whine about some posts.

 

 

And their total posts probably don't come close to equaling one persons - yours.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Maybe you should ask those involved. Got the number?

I don't. I don't know who is shipping them or who set it up. You posted about this. Seriously, do you know if anything has been done?

[nyantler]

You dont have to convince when you post the truth. Its simple.    The funny part its the same 4 or 5 cowboys that complain and whine about some posts. Its also funny to watch the same one complain and whine that a few of their toys are being labeled as useless and being outlawed on another thread. Time after time and its just getting started.

Sorry I forgot to mention that some of your posts simply make no sense at all... I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Sorry I forgot to mention that some of your posts simply make no sense at all... I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Big shocker there. Shows that maybe you should not reply to a subject that you have no knowledge about.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

I don't. I don't know who is shipping them or who set it up. You posted about this. Seriously, do you know if anything has been done?

Piles of red tape and very expensive to complete. I can say that the animals that went were 100% vet checked and givin the green light to load. Our animals are all wormed 4 times a year through the feed and shots. Cant say brain worm has ever been an issue in our industry. Seriously!

[nyantler]

Big shocker there. Shows that maybe you should not reply to a subject that you have no knowledge about.

You're right I have no knowledge about psycho-babble BS and nonsensical rambling.  Kind of like this...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDocL7AfIRo&feature=player_detailpage

[Four Season Whitetail's]

You're right I have no knowledge about psycho-babble BS and nonsensical rambling.  Kind of like this...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDocL7AfIRo&feature=player_detailpage

Funny how you stick your comments in many subjects you have no knowledge about. Just like this thread. You are clueless yet you feel the urge to post. That shows but one thing!!

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Piles of red tape and very expensive to complete. I can say that the animals that went were 100% vet checked and givin the green light to load. Our animals are all wormed 4 times a year through the feed and shots. Cant say brain worm has ever been an issue in our industry. Seriously!

Do the vets test for all anything where testing is available prior to a sale such as this? For things like Bovine TB?

[dbHunterNY]

Do the vets test for all anything where testing is available prior to a sale such as this? For things like Bovine TB?

 

Despite he said they weren't USDA tested.  the answer is probably yes at some point.... I'd think.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Do the vets test for all anything where testing is available prior to a sale such as this? For things like Bovine TB?

All animals on every farm in every state has to be TB tested every 3 years. Whole herd tests on top of every death of any animal,over 12 months of age has to be CWD tested.  Hence we find any problems with deer before most any state because we test all deer, not .005% of the herd like all states.

 A few states like maybe 3.Illinois is the biggest one to find a problem in the wild herd yet after like 10 years i believe,never a problem behind fence.

[dbHunterNY]

All animals on every farm in every state has to be TB tested every 3 years. Whole herd tests on top of every death of any animal,over 12 months of age has to be CWD tested.  Hence we find any problems with deer before most any state because we test all deer, not .005% of the herd like all states.

 A few states like maybe 3.Illinois is the biggest one to find a problem in the wild herd yet after like 10 years i believe,never a problem behind fence.

 

have you bothered looking into the whole rectal mucosa biopsy test for CWD and how it applies to your deer?  mean I the whole gene thing of one gene have better results than the other.  are your deer sitting pretty well off?  I don't know if you've already spent the money and have that info knowing sire and dam.  think it's worth it to have that as a focus or is it too soon?  I could see it not being a good thing if your top buck or bucks have the crappier gene of the three that only gives a 1/3 the accuracy for the test, especially if your forced into it as a deer farmer.

[phade]

Helping the world just gave me a whole new context after this thread.

 

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

  I don't know if you've already spent the money and have that info knowing sire and dam.  think it's worth it to have that as a focus or is it too soon? 

I guarantee he knows generations of the deer on his farm. This industry is probably ahead of the cattle/dairy industry in terms of tracking lineage and at least on par with the kennel clubs. I bet the per straw prices are higher than both for a proven line.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

have you bothered looking into the whole rectal mucosa biopsy test for CWD and how it applies to your deer?  mean I the whole gene thing of one gene have better results than the other.  are your deer sitting pretty well off?  I don't know if you've already spent the money and have that info knowing sire and dam.  think it's worth it to have that as a focus or is it too soon?  I could see it not being a good thing if your top buck or bucks have the crappier gene of the three that only gives a 1/3 the accuracy for the test, especially if your forced into it as a deer farmer.

Really that is old news when it comes to that test.. Worked very well but you see the USDA will not accept that test because its only been proving itself the be up to 85% right.  Now mind you are TB testing is only 65% accurate and that number is fine with them and thats what we go by.

We are now paying for a nasal test that is proving to be a bit better than 85% so we will see how it comes out.  Cant wait to take this  bullet out of the agenda pushers hands and then it will be down to one thing.  Peoples Choice!

[dbHunterNY]

Really that is old news when it comes to that test.. Worked very well but you see the USDA will not accept that test because its only been proving itself the be up to 85% right.  Now mind you are TB testing is only 65% accurate and that number is fine with them and thats what we go by.

We are now paying for a nasal test that is proving to be a bit better than 85% so we will see how it comes out.  Cant wait to take this  bullet out of the agenda pushers hands and then it will be down to one thing.  Peoples Choice!

 

from what I seen their lack of acceptance may have had to do with diagnostic sensitivity being significantly less (less than 40%) when tested in earlier stages of infection.  kind of where I was getting at the three years old thing, not that truly think you can put an exact age on when it'd fully kick in if present in a deer.  nasal for a source of testing, if it works, kind of makes sense to me as it's closer to the brain then a deer's rear end.  you'd be able to catch a true positive sooner in the stages of infection maybe.  didn't know where USDA was on it and had no idea TB testing was only 65% accurate.  the more we figure stuff like this out the better off both captive and free range deer will be.  It so happens you as a deer farmer are better suited to use the testing well before it can be implemented for use in free ranging whitetail.  it is what it is and for now we wait.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

from what I seen their lack of acceptance may have had to do with diagnostic sensitivity being significantly less (less than 40%) when tested in earlier stages of infection.  kind of where I was getting at the three years old thing, not that truly think you can put an exact age on when it'd fully kick in if present in a deer.  nasal for a source of testing, if it works, kind of makes sense to me as it's closer to the brain then a deer's rear end.  you'd be able to catch a true positive sooner in the stages of infection maybe.  didn't know where USDA was on it and had no idea TB testing was only 65% accurate.  the more we figure stuff like this out the better off both captive and free range deer will be.  It so happens you as a deer farmer are better suited to use the testing well before it can be implemented for use in free ranging whitetail.  it is what it is and for now we wait.

LOL..Good one!   You really dont think the states will use live testing. They wont test untill they are hunter killed and by then its way to late. This test will only prove once and for all that our deer are CWD free.  Think about this for a second.  You have CWD in the wild herd and they find out that CWD does in fact do bad things to humans after a few years if meat is eaten. Farms=Tested clean animals....Wild herd, not so much. Whats the future of hunting look like through those glasses?

[NFA-ADK]

LOL..Good one!   You really dont think the states will use live testing. They wont test untill they are hunter killed and by then its way to late. This test will only prove once and for all that our deer are CWD free.  Think about this for a second.  You have CWD in the wild herd and they find out that CWD does in fact do bad things to humans after a few years if meat is eaten. Farms=Tested clean animals....Wild herd, not so much. Whats the future of hunting look like through those glasses?

Looks delusional to me. 

[dbHunterNY]

LOL..Good one!   You really dont think the states will use live testing. They wont test untill they are hunter killed and by then its way to late. This test will only prove once and for all that our deer are CWD free.  Think about this for a second.  You have CWD in the wild herd and they find out that CWD does in fact do bad things to humans after a few years if meat is eaten. Farms=Tested clean animals....Wild herd, not so much. Whats the future of hunting look like through those glasses?

 

lol.....hey good one!  Remember we don't know how or why it shows up yet.  Just because you test your deer doesn't mean they can't get it.  I'm sure you'll do what you can to make it go away fast or there's plenty of people to make it goes away for ya.  IF.... it comes down to CWD effecting people, I think we'll see a little more action and more of your tax dollars going toward correcting it.  The industry for hunting free range cervids dwarfs yours, so I'm sure it's got some fight in it. That's what I foresee and my glasses help me see pretty well, actually perfect vision my eye doc says.  Don't know what glasses you're offering up but I think they're covered in pessimistic thoughts and your dodge pickup worth of straw contents.  Until then happy butt hole probing, nose blowing, and make sure you tuck those high maintenance princess bucks of yours in for the night.  it's still rather chilly out.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

lol.....hey good one!  Remember we don't know how or why it shows up yet.  Just because you test your deer doesn't mean they can't get it.  I'm sure you'll do what you can to make it go away fast or there's plenty of people to make it goes away for ya.  IF.... it comes down to CWD effecting people, I think we'll see a little more action and more of your tax dollars going toward correcting it.  The industry for hunting free range cervids dwarfs yours, so I'm sure it's got some fight in it. That's what I foresee and my glasses help me see pretty well, actually perfect vision my eye doc says.  Don't know what glasses you're offering up but I think they're covered in pessimistic thoughts and your dodge pickup worth of straw contents.  Until then happy butt hole probing, nose blowing, and make sure you tuck those high maintenance princess bucks of yours in for the night.  it's still rather chilly out.

Yup this response shows the education! Does not matter how it shows up. If cwd is ever proven to be harmful to humans hunting as you used to know it will be turned upside down. Your life would change a bit huh