CWD in New York Part 2

[fasteddie]

We can start this again so be sure to be civil ! No name calling , bashing etc . 

• https://www.wwnytv.com/2024/10/27/state-chronic-wasting-disease-case-confirmed/?outputType=amp

[Four Seasons]

They are keeping a lot of the info close to their chest. Closed herd since 2006, Non Native species with no hunting or movements say that it, came from the wild deer thru the fence, was hand fed with positive corn or hay from other state Or spontaneous. With heavy public and restaurant meat sales and usda certification being involved I’m sure they will investigate deeply.  Now they will bring the sharp shooters in and wipe out 50-100 deer from the area and require hunters to hand over all heads from any kill for X amount of miles. 

[First-light]

Sounds like a nothing burger. If its from a private place, quarantine and test the animals.  

[Doc]

Is there anyone besides myself who wonders why after all these years are we not stumbling over hundreds of deer carcasses that have fallen to this "highly contagious" disease. Every so often these articles show up declaring a new case of CWD and everyone panics for a while and then the story gets forgotten for another dozen years or so.

[Four Seasons]

24 minutes ago, First-light said:

Sounds like a nothing burger. If its from a private place, quarantine and test the animals.  

Animals have been tested since 2006. 100% of all deaths. Hence found behind wire first if it is already in the wild where there is little to no testing. They don’t move alive animals so nothing to quarantine. They will try to investigate where it came from. That will be the tough part seeing though you can hand feed it to animals by simply buying a bag of feed. Sad part is that it’s been proven not to cause harm but they will kill up to 100 wild deer looking for it. 

[Four Seasons]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Is there anyone besides myself who wonders why after all these years are we not stumbling over hundreds of deer carcasses that have fallen to this "highly contagious" disease. Every so often these articles show up declaring a new case of CWD and everyone panics for a while and then the story gets forgotten for another dozen years or so.

Music to my eyes!!!  The haters will want to say that it’s because I have a big dollar business that I say those same words. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the real world I was a hunter and whitetail lover from the crib with my dad taking me before I could even walk. I actually raised Whitetails for a few years before I even knew there was a market. Then I was smart enough to quit my job at 24 years old, borrow crazy amount of money and make a great business and life out of an animal I love.  The truth is CWD is and has always been a political disease. They saw an opening to get huge money from the govt by throwing the Zombie deer scare in people. Those days have been coming to an end when someone up there in power finally realized that after 60 years of hearing the same banter and seeing no carnage of the herds or hurt of the people the money was stopping. More deer die on the Thruway between Syracuse and Rochester in the months of October and November then die from CWD in a year in the whole country. When CWD is found it’s almost always found in a healthy animal killed by other means. Just like this case.  Kinda like when we had Covid and a guy died from a car wreck with Covid so it was a Covid death. Now EHD takes out 1000’s of animals across the country every single year and you hear crickets about any research on that. Agendas !!

Edited Friday at 01:00 PM by Four Seasons

[landtracdeerhunter]

No panic here. If we're all educated on the subject, this should be a short lived thread.

[Moho81]

Honest question but how does one profit from CWD and what is the political play with it? 

[Four Seasons]

4 minutes ago, Moho81 said:

Honest question but how does one profit from CWD and what is the political play with it? 

CWD has always been the go to in the DEC/DNR of states to rid the landscape of high fence hunting. Their only go to. Hence farms have to test every single death where the state tests 20.000 out of a couple million. Yup where do you think it will be found first?  Nobody profits from CWD but also nobody or no herds are hurt from CWD. Some state no longer even test for it. How can you have a so called disease that has been around for 60 plus years showing itself to be harmless be an issue in anything?  Now add the fact that CWD is the same exact Prion/Disease that has been around in sheep for over 60 years and they do absolutely nothing about it? Sheep are Ok to have it and it’s business as usual but the whitetail deer gets it and it’s front page news. $$$$$

[Four Seasons]

22 minutes ago, landtracdeerhunter said:

No panic here. If we're all educated on the subject, this should be a short lived thread.

Sad part it’s the states that go into the panic and 100’s of perfectly healthy animals will once again be decimated in the area hurting not only the animals but the sportsmen in that area. Imagine having say 1000 acres of great whitetail hunting you built from scratch with food plots and land management just to have the state come in with corn piles and nightly sharpshooters and wipe out most of the animals in that so called containment zone?  Ha, Containment… Yet they will let billions of tons of possible contaminated feed be shipped from positive states to your local feed store  Yup, Fact!

 

[dbHunterNY]

I check in every now and then. Came here to get any additional info on this new found CWD case. Figured if anyone knew anything it'd be @Four Seasons. Same tight knit deer farming community in the same region was my thinking. I guess there's not much to report. I was just in a Zoom meeting where Jeremy Hurst the Big Game Unit leader/section head or whatever his title is from DEC. The meeting was actually informational on the non-lead ammo reimbursement and citizen science gut pile monitoring programs. CWD being recent news it came up though. Said they were monitoring it and would likely have some kind of public info Q&A webinar or something to keep the public apprised. didn't sound like sharpshooters would be sent out. Seems like they're going to get as many local region 6 samples as possible through hunter harvests at taxidermy shops, processors, voluntary reporting/check-in, and roadkill to get a statistically significant sample size.

[dbHunterNY]

Missed Part 1... Not sure if additional info was there or not.

[fasteddie]

My wife called me out to the TV a couple nights ago . They were talking about CWD and how terrible it is to the deer . This was on CBS , Channel 8 in Rochester . I told my wife that it was nothing new , just a scare . They had a couple of weird looking deer on the video to probably scare the public .As long as some groups will call for the tests , they will continue to get research grants from the government . It's a Scam ! 

[Four Seasons]

45 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said:

I check in every now and then. Came here to get any additional info on this new found CWD case. Figured if anyone knew anything it'd be @Four Seasons. Same tight knit deer farming community in the same region was my thinking. I guess there's not much to report. I was just in a Zoom meeting where Jeremy Hurst the Big Game Unit leader/section head or whatever his title is from DEC. The meeting was actually informational on the non-lead ammo reimbursement and citizen science gut pile monitoring programs. CWD being recent news it came up though. Said they were monitoring it and would likely have some kind of public info Q&A webinar or something to keep the public apprised. didn't sound like sharpshooters would be sent out. Seems like they're going to get as many local region 6 samples as possible through hunter harvests at taxidermy shops, processors, voluntary reporting/check-in, and roadkill to get a statistically significant sample size.

Let’s hope you’re right.  Usually it a knee jerk reaction to start killing deer to find out if they have it.  Even though if they find they do there is not a damn thing they can do to stop it. 

[dbHunterNY]

1 minute ago, Four Seasons said:

Let’s hope you’re right.  Usually it a knee jerk reaction to start killing deer to find out if they have it.  Even though if they find they do there is not a damn thing they can do to stop it. 

we all know it's a debated topic that CWD is a problem in wild deer herds and in captive deer herds. AG and Markets, DOH, and DEC squashed it once. They openly admit once it's established and wide spread in a state deer herd it's practically impossible to get rid of it. That's common knowledge know I'd think with it in so many states. Found inside a fence I'm sure yields a very different result than outside the fence. If I was a deer farmer i'd have a double fence or no way for wild deer to be social and make contact with deer inside my fence. That way it it's found in wild deer you can say it wasn't from the deer inside the fence. Seems like there's a lot of pointing fingers back and forth with a disease with a lot of variables and means to spread.

[Four Seasons]

41 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said:

we all know it's a debated topic that CWD is a problem in wild deer herds and in captive deer herds. AG and Markets, DOH, and DEC squashed it once. They openly admit once it's established and wide spread in a state deer herd it's practically impossible to get rid of it. That's common knowledge know I'd think with it in so many states. Found inside a fence I'm sure yields a very different result than outside the fence. If I was a deer farmer i'd have a double fence or no way for wild deer to be social and make contact with deer inside my fence. That way it it's found in wild deer you can say it wasn't from the deer inside the fence. Seems like there's a lot of pointing fingers back and forth with a disease with a lot of variables and means to spread.

Exactly!!!  First thing I did was double fence. Then closed my herd down to only on farm live or artificial breeding with no new animals brought in from any state. Even ours!