Hypothetically speaking CWD

[First-light]

So I've read a few stories about CWD. Ohio had 24 cases last year. What would you do if your county became a hot spot for DWD? 

I guess you would be allowed to hunt but any game taken would have to be tested? Even if it tested negative would you still eat it? Would field dressing change for you? I don't wear gloves most of the time that could change. I know there is no known cases of CWD spreading to humans. It sure would put a damper on things big time. Thoughts? 

[wolc123]

16 minutes ago, First-light said:

So I've read a few stories about CWD. Ohio had 24 cases last year. What would you do if your county became a hot spot for DWD? 

I guess you would be allowed to hunt but any game taken would have to be tested? Even if it tested negative would you still eat it? Would field dressing change for you? I don't wear gloves most of the time that could change. I know there is no known cases of CWD spreading to humans. It sure would put a damper on things big time. Thoughts? 

I think it is blown way out of proportion and wouldn’t change a thing for me.  I’d still get most of my families protein from “free” venison and wouldn’t be overly careful about using gloves while processing.  

[landtracdeerhunter]

Know one that I know has stopped eating beef even though some cattle test positive for mad cow disease. People have not stopped eating chicken just because of bird flu. The risk are real for all types of meat wild or other wise. I believe when business start penning these animals up in close quarters, thy lies the problem, and big trouble starts. Deer are free range, which in my boat, make them much safer.

 

 

 

[landtracdeerhunter]

38 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

I think it is blown way out of proportion and wouldn’t change a thing for me.  I’d still get most of my families protein from “free” venison and wouldn’t be overly careful about using gloves while processing.  

In the real world, their really isn't anything free.

Edited March 30 by landtracdeerhunter

[Four Seasons]

1 hour ago, landtracdeerhunter said:

Know one that I know has stopped eating beef even though some cattle test positive for mad cow disease. People have not stopped eating chicken just because of bird flu. The risk are real for all types of meat wild or other wise. I believe when business start penning these animals up in close quarters, thy lies the problem, and big trouble starts. Deer are free range, which in my boat, make them much safer.

 

 

 

So if that’s your line of thinking what’s your answer to all the states that have no deer behind fence yet have it in the wild in the last 60 years? Or the states that have had fenced deer for years and years and have never had a case but have had it in the wild for just as many years?  You do realize the first cases of it were wild deer?  Not fenced. Regardless CWD is now and has always been a political money grab. CWD has done no harm to any herds in any states ever. You don’t see mass die off of animals like you do the real deer killer in EHD. Ever.   CWD will go by the way of Covid here very soon when the federal government stops handing out money for these white coats to keep researching the same thing over and over and coming up with nothing. You want to see some info. Google how much money goes to states for CWD issues and then ask yourself where that kind of money goes. An easy look of the stupidity is the state of Wisconsin. When they found it and went absolutely nuts and they killed off almost the whole herd because of a couple cases. Saying that CWD would be the end all of their herds. Well don’t ya know. The herds rebounded in a matter of 5 years to twice as many animals then they had at kill off time. And with CWD. Go on a hunting site in that state and read how many hunters never ever got their deer tested. And they are not walking zombies. Maybe look at the state of Oklahoma that now allow private land owners to buy and release farmed deer onto their no fence property to improve their deer size and genetics.  After 60 plus years and what CWD itself has shown people exactly what it’s not doing to deer anywhere I’m amazed it’s ever even talked about anymore anywhere. I believe when those leading our government today see they wasted money going on there CWD will be a thing of the past pretty soon. Go Trump!!!

[airedale]

I would be carrying on doing the same as I always have.

Al

[Doc]

Ever wonder if CWD is as devastating as is popularly believed, why are the woods not littered with dead deer bodies everywhere. I do not know why the scare stories are so popular to pass on, but a little common sense goes a long way toward calming all the panic.

[wolc123]

17 minutes ago, Doc said:

Ever wonder if CWD is as devastating as is popularly believed, why are the woods not littered with dead deer bodies everywhere. I do not know why the scare stories are so popular to pass on, but a little common sense goes a long way toward calming all the panic.

I think it’s because about 47 % of the American people are very easily duped.  Look at how they gobble up all the fake news on CNN & MSNBC.  

[Four Seasons]

34 minutes ago, Doc said:

Ever wonder if CWD is as devastating as is popularly believed, why are the woods not littered with dead deer bodies everywhere. I do not know why the scare stories are so popular to pass on, but a little common sense goes a long way toward calming all the panic.

Exactly. If there were even remotely proof that the stuff killed animals it would be one thing. The Prions are the same exact Prions found in Scrapies in sheep and we have been living with that for the last 60 years without all the banter. The white coats found a way to get funding to get their paycheck and then the DNR of some states found an opening to try and use it against high fence. Didn’t Work. Just like anything else, if there is no demand then the product will fail. Well high fence grows yearly with people making great $$$.  Now my other question is where is all the studies done on EHD that 100% kills 1000’s of deer yearly and they can be found littered across the countryside by the 100’s yet no testing or no white coat funding for that. That’s in part because they can’t come back at all on high fence for it so it stays silent. Just open your eyes, use common sense the good lord gave ya and you will come up with the answers on just what CWD isn’t !!

[First-light]

Didn't Wisconsin's Deer population dwindle when CWD hit the herd? They are still reporting that it is hurting the population in 2025. I guess I would take a few more precautions and have the deer tested. 

[Four Seasons]

23 minutes ago, First-light said:

Didn't Wisconsin's Deer population dwindle when CWD hit the herd? They are still reporting that it is hurting the population in 2025. I guess I would take a few more precautions and have the deer tested. 

The population dwindles because they bait and shoot all the deer looking for the harmless crap. The Wisconsin herd has rebounded after the kill off and with CWD to having more animals and they are still positive. 

[knehrke]

Just to interject a thread of common sense among all the bombast.

The concern was because we don't currently understand prion diseases nor their mechanism of transmission. EHD is much better understood, hence there's less risk for unanticipated consequences, even if it's "deadlier". 

With all of the possible avenues of research available, there's a reason we study prion diseases, and it isn't simply because there's funding to be had. As the landscape and our understanding evolves, priorities will shift, but it's not stupid to be cautious.

I'm the last one in the world who would be upset at a disease being less of a concern that was originally anticipated. And I'm the first one who would applaud paying attention to what we don't understand rather than gaslighting concern over potential dangers.  

That having been said, I certainly hope that the impact of CWD turns out to be benign or at least negligible. 

[Four Seasons]

47 minutes ago, knehrke said:

Just to interject a thread of common sense among all the bombast.

The concern was because we don't currently understand prion diseases nor their mechanism of transmission. EHD is much better understood, hence there's less risk for unanticipated consequences, even if it's "deadlier". 

With all of the possible avenues of research available, there's a reason we study prion diseases, and it isn't simply because there's funding to be had. As the landscape and our understanding evolves, priorities will shift, but it's not stupid to be cautious.

I'm the last one in the world who would be upset at a disease being less of a concern that was originally anticipated. And I'm the first one who would applaud paying attention to what we don't understand rather than gaslighting concern over potential dangers.  

That having been said, I certainly hope that the impact of CWD turns out to be benign or at least negligible. 

Well.  After 60 years of CWD in deer and lord knows how many years of Scrapies in sheep which is the same prion and lack of any animal die off’s or human issues of any kind common sense says we are in pretty good shape. They continue to get handed millions of dollars to do research on what?  The same exact stuff over and over. I agree if it ever was an issue I would be all for the research and such. But to only use the prion scare when it involves deer and we never hear a word about the Scrapies cases there is a problem and points to an agenda. Just like hunters can’t bring deer back from a CWD positive state dead or alive but can bring sheep all across the country?  Problem!!   Can’t bring a deer head across lines but can haul all the corn and alfalfa you want from CWD positive states after this research has 100% shown that the CWD prions travel up and into these products from the soil?  Problem!!  Again just follow the $$$$ and you will get many answers. 

[knehrke]

You don't hear about scrapie because you're not in the sheep business; you hear about CWD because you're in the deer business. Please don't assume the scrapie is simply tolerated; the regulatory burden is fairly strict. Both flock and individual standards exist. 

But we've had this conversation over the years, and I'm not going to change your mind about a single thing. 

We can chat again in another ten years, maybe. Cheers.

[Four Seasons]

3 hours ago, knehrke said:

You don't hear about scrapie because you're not in the sheep business; you hear about CWD because you're in the deer business. Please don't assume the scrapie is simply tolerated; the regulatory burden is fairly strict. Both flock and individual standards exist. 

But we've had this conversation over the years, and I'm not going to change your mind about a single thing. 

We can chat again in another ten years, maybe. Cheers.

True that. Ya see you still fail to tell me why one animal or one product can move but not the other?  All in the name of fighting the same disease???  Care to tell the class what these strict and burdensome rules are for sheep farmers??? I will continue to wait another 10 years for your answer because you will never come up with something that does not exist. Fairly strict for just the one animal but total shut down of the other animal. All in the name of fighting the same disease??  You don’t have to try and change my mind over anything. How about just an answer to these questions with something of some kind of sense??   We will continue to wait. In the meantime while you run from a ghost can you show any damage to animal or man from the last 60 years of chasing their tail?  And last but not least. These rules harm the everyday deer Hunter as much or even more then any deer farm in CWD positive states.               And now we wait.  

Edited Friday at 12:39 AM by Four Seasons

[knehrke]

Don't feed the trolls.

Twenty seconds on Google and your questions are answered. 

I can explain things to you, but I can't understand them for you.

[Four Seasons]

2 hours ago, knehrke said:

Don't feed the trolls.

Twenty seconds on Google and your questions are answered. 

I can explain things to you, but I can't understand them for you.

Another uneducated statement from someone that has no knowledge of the subject. So I took the liberty to do just what you asked… which is what I already knew.. and put that out here for you to get some education   So a deer can’t move across state lines at all in some states and every deer farmer in any state has to be CWD certified for 5 years…. Meaning 10% of the herd or every death before they can even move a deer in state or out of state   And now with your sheep as you say that are oh so regulated need nothing but an ear tag and to have health papers from a vet!!!!!    Which means all they do is look at them!!! Scrapies or CWD which are the same exact prion can’t be found unless the animal is dead!!!!   So you try and tell me that the Scrapies animals are regulated more the deer/elk CWD animals???  What a joke!!  Now how about you tell the class how states with CWD and Scrapies can move hay or corn across state lines into local feed stores to be sold to the public without any oversight????  Follow the Money and you will have your answers to this whole Harmless CWD hoax   This Troll has forgotten more about the CWD hoax then you will ever know  

 

[knehrke]

Man, you sure do know how to type lots of words on a keyboard. Good luck getting your work published.

[Four Seasons]

2 hours ago, knehrke said:

Man, you sure do know how to type lots of words on a keyboard. Good luck getting your work published.

Yeah. Kinda like dealing with the facts.  It’s even fun to listen to others useless banter at times on subjects they obviously are totally clueless about.  Till next time!

[escpen]

20 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

Scrapies or CWD which are the same exact prion can’t be found unless the animal is dead!!!!

I thought this was the case as well until just recently.  I listened to a Huntr podcast with Daniel Storm, a Wisconsin DNR employee, where he described a method that allows them to do testing for CWD on live animals.  Take the rest of the information in the podcast as you see fit, but I found that part of the conversation to be quite surprising based on information that I had heard and read elsewhere (i.e. you can only test dead animals for CWD).

 

[Four Seasons]

13 minutes ago, escpen said:

I thought this was the case as well until just recently.  I listened to a Huntr podcast with Daniel Storm, a Wisconsin DNR employee, where he described a method that allows them to do testing for CWD on live animals.  Take the rest of the information in the podcast as you see fit, but I found that part of the conversation to be quite surprising based on information that I had heard and read elsewhere (i.e. you can only test dead animals for CWD).

 

The powers that be will not accept a blood test or an anal test as proof that they don’t have CWD. Some states actually accept that a lymph node positive is a real positive when it’s not. The only true way to know an animal has CWD prions is from the brain stem. Hence all the zombie deer craziness and such. You want to hear the best one?  A deer farm has to Tb test their animals every 3 years with a test that is in the high 80% level correct and they accept that as a deer that does not have TB. Well the CWD test is also in the 80’s also but they will not accept that a deer that does not have CWD. lol.  With CWD and Whitetails all one has to do is follow the money trail. We are now breeding CWD out of farmed Whitetails just like they bred z Scrapies out of sheep. Nothing is 100% successful so there will always be a deer fall thru the cracks and become positive just as there are still sheep that do but the day will come when there won’t be much CWD behind wire where it will be loaded in the wild. The funnier thing is that the states that tried to use CWD to shut down farms only improved their business because they scared people so bad about the harmless disease that more people are now filling their freezers with animals from behind fences. Tested CWD free animals.  

[knehrke]

2 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

Yeah. Kinda like dealing with the facts.  It’s even fun to listen to others useless banter at times on subjects they obviously are totally clueless about.  Till next time!

You got any idea what I do for a living lol? Of course you do. I was at one time pretty active on this board, and I've never hidden my profession. But then and now, your yapping is enough to set the most stable of nerves jingling. If I thought there was ANY chance of you admitting for one second that you'd made a mistake, I'd go ahead and list the various reasons that you need to THINK BETTER. But I'd be wasting time and space.

Tell you what. You promise to quit posting on this thread...you don't even have to admit I'm right, just back off for once...and I will provide you with six salient points, details, and resources that counter your claims VERY EFFECTIVELY. From perspectives that incorporate scientific, epidemiologic, molecular, agricultural, and economic arguments.

Otherwise, continue to reside in your fantasy world where you safely ignore any opinions that don't conform to your preconceived beliefs and obviously agenda-driven stances.

I don't think you're up to the challenge. I'm all for throwing down, that's literally what scientists do for a living as they try to defend and/or counter their models, and as an Alzheimer's researcher in an age where the landscape is rapidly shifting as we make real advances in our understanding of the disease, I'm literally engaged in contesting ideas about neuroscience on a daily basis. 

But I've been down this road before with you. You'd argue with a poster on a wall if it said something you don't like.

[Four Seasons]

59 minutes ago, knehrke said:

You got any idea what I do for a living lol? Of course you do. I was at one time pretty active on this board, and I've never hidden my profession. But then and now, your yapping is enough to set the most stable of nerves jingling. If I thought there was ANY chance of you admitting for one second that you'd made a mistake, I'd go ahead and list the various reasons that you need to THINK BETTER. But I'd be wasting time and space.

Tell you what. You promise to quit posting on this thread...you don't even have to admit I'm right, just back off for once...and I will provide you with six salient points, details, and resources that counter your claims VERY EFFECTIVELY. From perspectives that incorporate scientific, epidemiologic, molecular, agricultural, and economic arguments.

Otherwise, continue to reside in your fantasy world where you safely ignore any opinions that don't conform to your preconceived beliefs and obviously agenda-driven stances.

I don't think you're up to the challenge. I'm all for throwing down, that's literally what scientists do for a living as they try to defend and/or counter their models, and as an Alzheimer's researcher in an age where the landscape is rapidly shifting as we make real advances in our understanding of the disease, I'm literally engaged in contesting ideas about neuroscience on a daily basis. 

But I've been down this road before with you. You'd argue with a poster on a wall if it said something you don't like.

lol.  You spoke volumes… Researcher….  There you have it.  Follow the money trail   Did you listen to one minute of that podcast?  My question to you and I don’t give two shits what you do for a living…. Prove the words that I have spoken on this subject above is wrong and not in fact the facts!!!!

[First-light]

FS you always say follow the money. Follow who and what money? Biologist that just want to stir the pot and keep a livelihood? Just asking.....

[Four Seasons]

1 hour ago, First-light said:

FS you always say follow the money. Follow who and what money? Biologist that just want to stir the pot and keep a livelihood? Just asking.....

  Google how much money states get from the federal government for so called CWD research and for how many years and then look what that research has came up with year after year after year. And then use your god givin common sense and look at what this so called big bad disease has done anywhere in any state. You will answer your own question. I will give you a very simple one. If this disease is really as bad as they want you to believe it is and they 100% know from their research that corn and alfalfa and other crops allow the prions to be instilled in them from the soil into their stems and corn why do they not stop the movements and sales of these crops from any CWD positive states?   These crops are sold at every feed store, every Tractor Supply or Runnings or anywhere else the stuff is sold in fact moving the CWD across the country. We are allowed to hand feed animals CWD ourselves. That won’t be halted because it’s billions of dollars in sales. These crops are not just sold in this country but every country. All the same prions we are talking here that are involved in Scrapies in sheep and CWD in deer. Mind you that sheep farms can farm right thru Scrapies, even positive farms and move animals to other farms across the country and sell meat to meat markets that hit stores all across the country with just an ear tag and a vet Health certificate… which is just a visual check  Now when it comes to Whitetails a farmer has the be 5 years CWD tested before they can even be certified to sell animals… meaning they have to raise and feed their animals for 5 years and killing 10% of their numbers every year just to test to see if they have it and every natural death to see if they have it. All the while mind you of not being able to bring in any income at all from those animals for 5 years. 1000’s of dollars in feed, health and everyday care for 5 years. I could go on for hours here but any person with half a brain can see the big picture when it comes to CWD and its uses when it’s agenda driving.