Looks like there may just be statewide Antler Restricts.

[upstate]

I think that's called exercising your first amendment right . If your confirmed in your own worldview, and have a tough skin, this should not be an issue right?

 

Now don't be a member of the media and only use part of a quote. 

 

Here's what I said, "I don't judge anyone for why they hunt (and know you're not saying I did). Like religion or politics I hate when people believe that their way is the only way and preach it, and do so in a self-righteous , judgemental fashion. "

 

By the way, I am a member of the media and I look for that kind of stuff. 

 

 

Edited January 7, 2015 by upstate

[NYBuckHunter27]

The DEC can implement whatever rules they want, guys will shoot as many deer whether it be bucks or doe as they want. Just like guys using the crossbow before November 1st. I think an antler restriction would dampen waves among the hunting community than a OBR...

[hondamx32]

I personally practice antler restrictions but would not like seeing them implemented.  I think you should have a choice of what deer you harvest if you have the tags.  I am all for the one buck per season, and I think they should change it to a male female tag.  If you shoot a button buck you get to use a male tag.  People would pay more attention to what they are shooting, and it would help control the herd better.  (you would have exact male/female take (besides all of the ethical hunters that decide not to tag their deer)).  I am sure many will disagree, and I doubt it would ever happen but that's what I would like to see happen. 

[phade]

Its legit just in case there was doubt.

[NYBuckHunter27]

January issue?

[BizCT]

Is Westchester gonna allow Xbows? I got some legit spots waiting for this change.

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[phade]

The really stupid one to me is looking at AR for bow and the first week of gun. I cant understand the rationale behind that one at all.

[HectorBuckBuster]

Well I can see a problem coming up already. What about all the Lifetime License people who already have paid for a bow tag, gun tag, and maybe a muzzle loader tag.Seems like they would be getting screwed over. Where as if someone just bought their bow tag and filled it, would not need to spend the money on a gun or muzzloader tag because they already killed a buck.

[phade]

Tail wagging dog issue. Thatll get sorted out and im sure someone will get a shaft on some level. But i dont think the majority of license holders are lifetimer holders.

[sampotter]

Well, I'm a lifetime license holder and I'm going to want some money back!

[growalot]

I just got my issue today.....This makes my ponder the real driving force behind some decisions...when the state's real problem is the management of the doe populations. Be it too many or too few in areas...an issue they fall so short on management...what is driving them to concentrate on restricting and shortening hunting opportunities? I do not believe it to be pressure from just trophy hunters..State wide season shortening and killing restrictions on the gender that really poses t h e biggest safety issues...this due to size weight and amount of movement they do compared to doe. The fact they are the ones driving doe into roads...Hitting any deer with a car or bike is bad. What's worse...a 130# doe or a solid 200# fully racked buck?

Where did their concern over the rising deer population go? Why suddenly in 2015 do they toss that aside to concentrate on buck?

[sampotter]

Or maybe let me and other lifetime license holders shoot 2 bucks and everyone else just 1?

[stoneam2006]

Or maybe let me and other lifetime license holders shoot 2 bucks and everyone else just 1?

I'll go get mine today if that's the case....lol

[phade]

Well, I'm a lifetime license holder and I'm going to want some money back!

Have to assume theyll figure out something. Watch them subtract the regular license price from each tag issied vs what was paid. Thatll result in alot of people not getting their money back though. Other question is where that money would come from. Was under impression the state couldnt tap the funds once paid and simply operates on interest/residual.

[growalot]

Don't hold your breath they covered the subject to change on the life times.....

[adkbuck]

I guess I don't see the value of AR's in good farm country.  Maybe in the Adirondacks or Catskill Mountains where yearling bucks are typically spikes or fork horns but in most of the state's farmlands yearlings can be 4, 5,  6,7, 8, 9, 10 or even twelve pointers. 

 

 Of  two bucks shot in CNY this season, one 8 pt. during the archery season was 2 1/2 year old and the other during the firearms season was a 7 pt. (broken off 8 point) yearling.  Plenty of the yearlings are 8 or even 10 pointers here in the farm-belt.   In the Adirondacks I see plenty of yearlings that are spikes and fork horns but not in the farm country of CNY.

 

A question I would like to ask the DEC is how have current antler restriction areas in Ulster and Sullivan Counties worked out?  These are basically woodland areas.  I imagine they have worked pretty well.  However  I think antler restrictions will only protect yearlings in woodland areas where nutrition is less than optimum and a high percentage of yearling bucks have less than 6 points or more.

 

The "only one buck rule " will only protect yearlings if concurrent with AR's in woodland areas but probably not in southern zone farm country where most healthy yearlings are already 6-8 pointers.  In any event it will stop guys who normally shoot two bucks.  The question I would like to see answered: Is there a significant percentage of hunters taking two bucks per year?  If there is a large number of bucks taken by successful two-buck hunters then maybe the one-buck rule has merit.

 

The other option that would significantly increase the age and size of all bucks would be an antlered buck moratorium for one season.  This probably would be met with  some hostility by some  but a one year moratorium on antlered bucks would result in a quick fix to the buck age structure problem.   Suppose the antlered buck moratorium were practiced on an alternate year basis or for a significant part of each alternate season(s) in addition to a one buck rule?

 

Personally I think we should not mess with things the way they are.  First and foremost I hunt for venison and to get out in the woods but like most guys admire the big buck with a big rack.  A lot of big bucks are shot in all areas of NYS. If you want a big buck let the smaller ones walk and/or hunt where the hunting is tougher and the pressure is less and the average buck is likely to be bigger. 

 

Edited January 7, 2015 by adkbuck

[BizCT]

Many may not know this, but there are AR's on certain DEP lands in Putnam County (3N) right now and they are based on inches among other things:

the following conditions apply to all hunters over 17 years of age and will be enforced:

• Only does may be harvested on the following days – no bucks may be taken on these days:
  • The first two days of bow season;
  • The first two days of regular gun season;
  • The first two days of muzzleloader season.
• On all other days of the legal hunting season, bucks may be harvested to meet these requirements:
  • Antler spread of at least 15 inches in width and /or,
  • Minimum of three points on a side greater than one inch long, excluding brow tines.
• Hunters are encouraged to harvest does over bucks throughout the season. If you harvest a doe on any City hunting area, you can enter the lottery drawing to win a great prize from DEP.

I posted this earlier today, maybe NY will go to something like this statewide?

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[JFB]

Well I can see a problem coming up already. What about all the Lifetime License people who already have paid for a bow tag, gun tag, and maybe a muzzle loader tag.Seems like they would be getting screwed over. Where as if someone just bought their bow tag and filled it, would not need to spend the money on a gun or muzzloader tag because they already killed a buck.

 

Certainly not a reason regulations won't change. I bought my lifetime many years ago... and then bam... crossbows in the archery season. Things change, no obligation by the State. 

[JFB]

I just got my issue today.....This makes my ponder the real driving force behind some decisions...when the state's real problem is the management of the doe populations. Be it too many or too few in areas...an issue they fall so short on management...what is driving them to concentrate on restricting and shortening hunting opportunities? I do not believe it to be pressure from just trophy hunters..State wide season shortening and killing restrictions on the gender that really poses t h e biggest safety issues...this due to size weight and amount of movement they do compared to doe. The fact they are the ones driving doe into roads...Hitting any deer with a car or bike is bad. What's worse...a 130# doe or a solid 200# fully racked buck?

Where did their concern over the rising deer population go? Why suddenly in 2015 do they toss that aside to concentrate on buck?

 

I wondered very similarly. Suddenly they care when their formerly their entire goad was to keep average take at a measly 1.5yr? 

 

Maybe they realize what they were doing just wasn't cutting it and they are taking pages out of other states playbook hoping revenue goes up. Heck, I just dropped a decent penny while in Ohio..

 

Regardless, I love the possibilities. 

[bg1063]

Does anyone have a link to the actual publication? I would like to read it if available, thanks.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

I posted this earlier today, maybe NY will go to something like this statewide?

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Many hunters would never kill a buck with those rules. Sure would give us some great animals in a couple years thats for sure. I think you will see them go for more trophy animals in parts of Ny. They know many only kill big anyways and with food plots and such they will figure they are just helping hunters along.  Who knows but they do have something going on and they will be forcing it through by summer!

[Four Season Whitetail's]

x2

 

Edited January 7, 2015 by Four Season Whitetails

[upstatehunter]

Yes, because it's a shared resource. You want to over harvest or wound every tree you own on your property... go for it.

I too own a large business, pay large taxes... has nothing to do with it.

Has everything to do with it......its my land.....I'm not out to kill every deer but if all I see is a spike horn or fork horn for the year, he's hitting the dirt......nobody will tell me you can't shoot that deer on your own property

[growalot]

JFB..Please show me where the DEC ever declared their entire goal was to take 11/2 yr. Old deer ...of either sex?..enlighten me.

Also please tell me when THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION was mandated to base THIS state's conservation issues solely on out of state tourists needs?....Perhaps the DEC should be scraped and they can make it's replacement be THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL TOURISM.....Then all environmental issues can be based solely on the state's financial gain in tourism

[JFB]

Has everything to do with it......its my land.....I'm not out to kill every deer but if all I see is a spike horn or fork horn for the year, he's hitting the dirt......nobody will tell me you can't shoot that deer on your own property

 

Well there's an ethical hunter! Admits they will break the law if it's passed. Never mind following the law and seeing what happens or that maybe you might reap a benefit. 

 

And seeing that you are short sighted, let me spell it out a bit further... What you are not understanding is that YOU DON'T OWN THE LIVING ANIMAL and said animal wanders onto other peoples land as well. Those people obey the laws and deserve the right to reap any benefit's of the regulation. 

 

Who ever taught you that when you buy land you're entitled to kill wildlife as you see fit?