NY Deer Hunter Survey Results

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Although I have guzzled from the deer management trough there are two big misses here. 1) deer don't just live on a property and 2) the vast majority of hunters just follow DEC lead initiate and commentary. It's easy to say don't shoot a doe on your ground based on census but if you live in genesee co and there are 50-60000 dmps or shared ground...you don't have to do anything and it's done for you.

Dont just live on a property?  I believe if you have a big enough piece they sure do. The lands that i know of that do their own type of management have some of the best hunting there is to be had. Multiple 1000 acre chunks can really show what can be done.

 

Most people in the DEC that make these decisions do not even hunt. Ya i am sure they know whats best.

[nyantler]

732 responses isnt too bad considering the normal fluctuations in site traffic here. It was posted during a normal "quiet time" of the year. Not much hunting activity going on. Just because there are half to three quarters of a million hunters in the state, there are only 6000 or so registered members. Of those, maybe 1/4 are really active.Our Facebook page has just over 2200 likes total. The vast majority are most likely regularly active or semi-regularly active members here.

This forum is not really a true sample of NY Deer Hunters as a whole... the survey gives a good idea of the attitudes of those on this forum, but I don't think it reflects actual overall attitudes of most hunters from around the state... there are more informed and less ignorant hunters that regularly participate in this forum... I won't go as far as saying "the cream of the crop" but better informed than the vast majority of NY hunters.

[dbHunterNY]

This forum is not really a true sample of NY Deer Hunters as a whole... the survey gives a good idea of the attitudes of those on this forum, but I don't think it reflects actual overall attitudes of most hunters from around the state... there are more informed and less ignorant hunters that regularly participate in this forum... I won't go as far as saying "the cream of the crop" but better informed than the vast majority of NY hunters.

 

i agree but didn't bother to post it.  probably the reason the results differ compared to what has been published by DEC.  People can question the results but the results are what they are.  i commend gjs4 for taking the time to make and share results of the survey.  the more activities like this keep people plugged into DEC in relation to hunting the better.

[Buckmaster7600]

The question about how satisfied you are with access to private land baffles me how can someone be dissatisfied with access?

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[WNYBuckHunter]

This forum is not really a true sample of NY Deer Hunters as a whole... the survey gives a good idea of the attitudes of those on this forum, but I don't think it reflects actual overall attitudes of most hunters from around the state... there are more informed and less ignorant hunters that regularly participate in this forum... I won't go as far as saying "the cream of the crop" but better informed than the vast majority of NY hunters.

 

Oh I agree. I wasnt saying anything about that, I was just saying that for the audience size, I thought the number of respondents was pretty good. Thats all.

[Lawdwaz]

 Multiple 1000 acre chunks can really show what can be done.

 

 

How many "multiple 1000 acre chunks" under a single ownership group or individual do you think exist east of route 81?

 

I can't believe there are too many, I know of one.......

[DirtTime]

Ya know what I don't get....

Some are ripping on gjs4 for doing this poll, which gave more insight on how hunters feel about DEC then the people who don't do a damn thing except whine! Gjs4 stood up and and asked for honest unput. You don't like it, so you are bashing. Yet a certain someone who has flooded this site with spam, and even gone so far as to make dove hunting political gets the ***** licked *** his ****.

 

Like what was said, you think you can do better then step up and do so! If not then go change the Pamper and buy a new teether ring.

 

[Doewhacker]

Ya know what I don't get....

Some are ripping on gjs4 for doing this poll, which gave more insight on how hunters feel about DEC then the people who don't do a damn thing except whine! Gjs4 stood up and and asked for honest unput. You don't like it, so you are bashing. Yet a certain someone who has flooded this site with spam, and even gone so far as to make dove hunting political gets the ***** licked *** his ****.

Like what was said, you think you can do better then step up and do so! If not then go change the Pamper and buy a new teether ring.

Who bashed him personally? I see more bashing for you and Beachpea than anyone else. My post was about why I didn't take his survey and provided input on what to improve on future survey's. Unless he plans on getting organized and forming a special interest group to push what he wants changed none of this matters.

And what in the hell is with that nasty part about Mike?

[Doewhacker]

So you didn't like my survey doewhacker? I didn't make the results so maybe you should also dislike the 750 people who voted. That counts as doing something" doesn't it?

It will be something if you turn the results into action.

Take my advice, form a group,start a web site, write letters, write news letters, meet with the DEC and be heard other wise this was all a waste of your time. I might even agree with you and help, you never know.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

How many "multiple 1000 acre chunks" under a single ownership group or individual do you think exist east of route 81?

 

I can't believe there are too many, I know of one.......

I know of a good few 1000 plus acre chunks that are being managed by the owners in their ways. Both way up here and down on our other land. 1000 acres is not much when you get a good sized farm along with some smaller beef operations and even private small parcel owners. There is 1200 acres of such right out my back door hooking up 2 roads and bordering the military base that is owned by 3 owners and 2 dont hunt.  Pretty sweet when ya see what can be done on some properties.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Who bashed him personally? I see more bashing for you and Beachpea than anyone else. My post was about why I didn't take his survey and provided input on what to improve on future survey's. Unless he plans on getting organized and forming a special interest group to push what he wants changed none of this matters.

And what in the hell is with that nasty part about Mike?

Cant fault a guy for telling the truth on a couple different levels.  Sounds to me like he has it all pretty much figured out.  With Facts!

[gjs4]

Dont just live on a property?  I believe if you have a big enough piece they sure do. The lands that i know of that do their own type of management have some of the best hunting there is to be had. Multiple 1000 acre chunks can really show what can be done.

 

Most people in the DEC that make these decisions do not even hunt. Ya i am sure they know whats best.

I agree on the latter but disagree on the 1000 ac part. Unless its fenced deer roam, especially bucks and their routes/dispersion can easily take one off "your ground". This is exactly why the flurry of the chase phase brings optimism to those with lousy ground.

[gjs4]

i agree but didn't bother to post it.  probably the reason the results differ compared to what has been published by DEC.  People can question the results but the results are what they are.  i commend gjs4 for taking the time to make and share results of the survey.  the more activities like this keep people plugged into DEC in relation to hunting the better.

 

HNY was not the only the place this was posted. No idea on how many respondents were from here either and it isn't worth the guess. If there are 650k-750k hunters in NY lets just look at how many are members here. There could be no true crossection/geographic/demographic and have it random...I just see the best idea as the DEC requesting input form everyone and sorting the results as the best way to proceed

[gjs4]

Cant fault a guy for telling the truth on a couple different levels.  Sounds to me like he has it all pretty much figured out.  With Facts!

Thank you for both aspects stated here.... but the first line made me smile most. Ive been hated and haunted before for saying this but this forum is a colors clubhouse for sure.

[dbHunterNY]

to my knowledge doe fall home ranges are much smaller but if you were to average bucks' fall ranges they'd be in the neighbor hood of 500-600+ acres for 2.5+ yr olds.  problem is NY properties, especially in the east, that are bigger aren't circular or square as a whole.  center of bigger properties are using ag fields.  so ranges usually overlap neighboring properties. so side with gjs4, but Four Season Whitetails isn't necessarily wrong.  Pains me but I have to call it how it is.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I just see the best idea as the DEC requesting input form everyone and sorting the results as the best way to proceed

 

I agree with that statement 100%. It would just take a simple 5 questions each year when you buy your license. It could all be automated, and simple. That way you dont have a crap load of guys walking around saying things like "my voice doesnt count because I have never gotten a survey". Its about more than just accuracy.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

I agree on the latter but disagree on the 1000 ac part. Unless its fenced deer roam, especially bucks and their routes/dispersion can easily take one off "your ground". This is exactly why the flurry of the chase phase brings optimism to those with lousy ground.

I am with ya but can tell ya that we have seen the same bucks year after year. So its easy to tell its them with a ripped ear or marking and even rack at times. They may drift off that 1000 acres but if you give them what they need at home they wont roam to awful far.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

to my knowledge doe fall home ranges are much smaller but if you were to average bucks' fall ranges they'd be in the neighbor hood of 500-600+ acres for 2.5+ yr olds.  problem is NY properties, especially in the east, that are bigger aren't circular or square as a whole.  center of bigger properties are using ag fields.  so ranges usually overlap neighboring properties. so side with gjs4, but Four Season Whitetails isn't necessarily wrong.  Pains me but I have to call it how it is.

Lol...How did those words taste coming out?

[dbHunterNY]

I am with ya but can tell ya that we have seen the same bucks year after year. So its easy to tell its them with a ripped ear or marking and even rack at times. They may drift off that 1000 acres but if you give them what they need at home they wont roam to awful far.

 

deer with a ripped ear really is a terrible thing.  the livestock tag falls out.  now you have to break into another set just have the numbers in match.  hate it when that happens.

[skiop]

to my knowledge doe fall home ranges are much smaller but if you were to average bucks' fall ranges they'd be in the neighbor hood of 500-600+ acres for 2.5+ yr olds.  problem is NY properties, especially in the east, that are bigger aren't circular or square as a whole.  center of bigger properties are using ag fields.  so ranges usually overlap neighboring properties. so side with gjs4, but Four Season Whitetails isn't necessarily wrong.  Pains me but I have to call it how it is.

 

 

http://ecosystems.psu.edu/research/projects/deer/news/2014/one-square-mile

 

The rut makes November a different story. Buck home ranges explode and are nearly three times larger and average almost 3 square miles in size (3 sq. miles = 1,920 acres)! And 3 square miles is the average - one of our male had a home range of 4 square miles! So much for that 1-square-mile rule of thumb

[Four Season Whitetail's]

deer with a ripped ear really is a terrible thing.  the livestock tag falls out.  now you have to break into another set just have the numbers in match.  hate it when that happens.

Have to make sure to always have some way to tell who they are . Stops guys from shooting the ones you want doing the breeding. Did you know liquid nitrogen dropped on hair will turn it white and never go back to original color?  Nasty Stuff!

[dbHunterNY]

http://ecosystems.psu.edu/research/projects/deer/news/2014/one-square-mile

 

The rut makes November a different story. Buck home ranges explode and are nearly three times larger and average almost 3 square miles in size (3 sq. miles = 1,920 acres)! And 3 square miles is the average - one of our male had a home range of 4 square miles! So much for that 1-square-mile rule of thumb

 

i don't doubt this "deer-forest study".  that site is a great resource.  did you find his "upcoming post" he mentioned in his closing paragraph?  not sure if it's even posted yet.  the study you posted would probably apply to Adirondacks but most areas here in NYS don't make up "large tracts of contiguous forest".  deer density and travel patterns make them wonder further in big woods.

[Five Seasons]

Thank you for both aspects stated here.... but the first line made me smile most. Ive been hated and haunted before for saying this but this forum is a colors clubhouse for sure.

If it wasn't for the clubhouse and some crazy responses then this thread would have died a week ago. Thank the "clubhouse" for the traffic.

[skiop]

i don't doubt this "deer-forest study".  that site is a great resource.  did you find his "upcoming post" he mentioned in his closing paragraph?  not sure if it's even posted yet.  the study you posted would probably apply to Adirondacks but most areas here in NYS don't make up "large tracts of contiguous forest".  deer density and travel patterns make them wonder further in big woods.

 

I got a couple 200 acre parcels I hunt about 1mile apart and have seen the same bucks on both pieces

[gjs4]

If it wasn't for the clubhouse and some crazy responses then this thread would have died a week ago. Thank the "clubhouse" for the traffic.

If I cared about traffic I would've stoked it- that was never one of my concerns. I will give you a big atta boy for all your help keeping her alive though