SB 4739 - Establishes the yearling buck protection program

[wolc123]

5 hours ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

So you lobbing bullets and bolts at ranges you didnt practice doesnt count toward being a slob? I mean, you have posted quite a few times about doing just that.

 

Oh thats right, your faith in Jesus to guide your bullet or bolt to its intended target makes it non-slobish. Sorry, I forgot.

I have cleanly killed every deer that I shot at over the last 10 years, and none has taken more than an hour for me to recover.  Some of the shots were not quite perfect.  A few were, including the only one that was taken at a range farther than I had practiced (remember the picture of the 6-point heart with the broadhead x thru the center, if not I can post again for you). The best part of giving Jesus all the credit (which I do), is that the kind of "luck"  He provides never runs out.   I hope you have a good deer season this year, and that He blesses you with some clean kills.   

Thanks for the "bump" by bringing up His name again.   It is impossible to have too much of Him on a hunting website.  It is real good to have some help from others like you.

Edited July 10, 2017 by wolc123

[Doc]

It's amazing how much irresponsible behavior there is that can be justified in the name of Jesus. Or at least, so some think. I may be doing it all wrong, but making demands on God to take care of my irresponsible acts is not quite the way religion plays into my life.

[Buckmaster7600]

I have cleanly killed every deer that I shot at over the last 10 years, and none has taken more than an hour for me to recover.  Some of the shots were not quite perfect.  A few were, including the only one that was taken at a range farther than I had practiced (remember the picture of the 6-point heart with the broadhead x thru the center, if not I can post again for you). The best part of giving Jesus all the credit (which I do), is that the kind of "luck"  He provides never runs out.   I hope you have a good deer season this year, and that He blesses you with some clean kills.   

Thanks for the "bump" by bringing up His name again.   It is impossible to have too much of Him on a hunting website.  It is real good to have some help from others like you.

I have nothing against religion but putting logic behind religion is the exact reason why we have religious terrorism. When you think you can do what you want and your "insert fictional character here" will guide your "bullet, arrow, missile, bomb, etc" to do what you want done in my opinion you have crossed a line. Shooting at a deer and hoping Jesus guides the bullet is no difference than a terrorist setting an IED and hoping Allah kills Americans.

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[WNYBuckHunter]

19 hours ago, wolc123 said:

I have cleanly killed every deer that I shot at over the last 10 years, and none has taken more than an hour for me to recover.  Some of the shots were not quite perfect.  A few were, including the only one that was taken at a range farther than I had practiced (remember the picture of the 6-point heart with the broadhead x thru the center, if not I can post again for you). The best part of giving Jesus all the credit (which I do), is that the kind of "luck"  He provides never runs out.   I hope you have a good deer season this year, and that He blesses you with some clean kills.   

Thanks for the "bump" by bringing up His name again.   It is impossible to have too much of Him on a hunting website.  It is real good to have some help from others like you.

The only thing I was "bumping" here was a reminder that you are a slob hunter, and exactly the kind that GJS and others get so irritated with.

As far as religion goes, doesnt the bible say that one should be humble? Your constant boastfulness around here kind of flies in the face of that, dont you think?  I feel like Doc hit the nail on the head with his response.

My season will be fine, and I will make sure to do my due diligence in practicing each of my weapons at all of the ranges that I feel comfortable with, and I will also be holding off on releasing an arrow or pulling the trigger on any deer that is not giving me an opportunity for an effective kill shot within the range that I have practiced. I dont lob hail marys when I hunt.

[grampy]

If I ever have to say "Oh God, help me make this shot"! I probably shouldn't be taking it anyways. We all have our own beliefs, and I truly do respect that. But to constantly be bombarded with religious posts, for being an excuse, and motivation, for everything, that's a bit over the top for me.  Why have it crammed down our throats, with each and every post? If I need religious inspiration, I do know where to go for it. As I am a fairly religious or spiritual man myself. But a hunting forum and an "inspirational" member posting on it, would not be my first choice for seeking religious inspiration. There I said it. Not meant to disrespect ANYONE! JMO..........

[wolc123]

12 hours ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

I have nothing against religion but putting logic behind religion is the exact reason why we have religious terrorism. When you think you can do what you want and your "insert fictional character here" will guide your "bullet, arrow, missile, bomb, etc" to do what you want done in my opinion you have crossed a line. Shooting at a deer and hoping Jesus guides the bullet is no difference than a terrorist setting an IED and hoping Allah kills Americans.

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For many years I was a pretty clueless hunter.  I had some early successes, but I also made my share of mistakes.  I am sure that most of those mistakes would have been eliminated, had I made the connection between Jesus, and a successful hunt a little earlier.  

A friend, and former coworker, who retired a few years ago, pointed out that connection to me (5) years ago, after I told him the story of how I had killed a mature buck, with a wide 8-point rack.   He is a man of strong faith, who rarely misses a Sunday at church (other than opening weekend of deer season).  

I killed that buck on opening day, in the last minutes of legal daylight, from the ground, below a tree stand that was deep in the woods across from our house.  The only reason I got down from that tree early, was because the Bible that I had been reading up in the stand, mysteriously slipped out of my hands and fell to the ground.   As soon as I hit the ground, a flock of turkeys landed right on my position, in the little patch of brush below my stand.  The big buck was with them, and took my 16 gauge slug to the neck from about 15 yards, dropping him dead in his tracks.

I was wearing blaze orange camo.   Had I been up in that tree, those turkeys would have spotted me from a mile away.  Deer in those woods often hang with turkeys.  I suppose that allows the deer to capitalize on the turkey's superior vision, and the turkeys to benefit from the deer's better nose.   

My friend told me that maybe it was not a coincidence that the Bible fell when it did, and that I must be "alright with the Lord".   I believed him, especially after I remembered that it had been about 5 years before that when I started reading the Bible regularly, and I had not lost any deer that I had shot at since that time.  

Deer hunting has been getting better for me since then, culminating in the infamous "perfect shot" that I made on an Adirondack 6 point last Thanksgiving weekend.  It has been easy to see the role that Jesus has played in all of my deer kills, since that guy pointed out the connection 5 years ago.  Maybe it's all luck, but the better I keep my relationship with Jesus, the luckier I get.   I would feel very guilty keeping that information to myself when I hear of so many who struggle here.                 

[Four Season Whitetail's]

WOW........Just keeps gettin deeper round here.   Bet there is nothing in the book about killing baby animals?  But i guess that would be forgivin or something?  Riiiiiight!

[Larry]

Ok GJS4 hears is your rebuttal. You consistently make the claim that the DEC’s data is wrong. Without any data to back up your claim all you are doing is expressing an opinion. As for your numbers all those are is a WAG or wishful thinking. So let’s see the state wide data you have that proves the DEC’s data is wrong. You may not like the way the data is collected or you may not like the use of statistical modeling to come up with the numbers. Their plan is sound and their numbers are with 2% accuracy.

Where I do agree is that the DEC’s needs to aggressively enforce compliance with Harvest Reporting.

[wolc123]

21 hours ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

WOW........Just keeps gettin deeper round here.   Bet there is nothing in the book about killing baby animals?  But i guess that would be forgivin or something?  Riiiiiight!

I'll take that bet and your gonna regret, cause it's the best there's ever been.  

There is a very well known Bible parable where the father kills a "fatted calf" for a big party, to welcome home his "prodigal son".   Surely you have heard of that one.   In payment for your lost bet, why don't you consider giving your soul to Jesus.  I would consider that payment in full and then some.  

I do have a fondness for button buck venison, and my heavenly Father has blessed me with some just about every other year since I started hunting, some 36 years ago.  I targeted about half of them myself (only if there was not a larger antlerless deer available).  The other half were gifts from friends.  I am always thankful when that happens.    

Do you consider button bucks and 1-1/2 year olds both "baby bucks" ?  I know that you are against killing them.  What about the unborn bucks that are killed, more often than not, when mature does are harvested after the rut ?    

[Four Season Whitetail's]

11 hours ago, wolc123 said:

I'll take that bet and your gonna regret, cause it's the best there's ever been.  

There is a very well known Bible parable where the father kills a "fatted calf" for a big party, to welcome home his "prodigal son".   Surely you have heard of that one.   In payment for your lost bet, why don't you consider giving your soul to Jesus.  I would consider that payment in full and then some.  

I do have a fondness for button buck venison, and my heavenly Father has blessed me with some just about every other year since I started hunting, some 36 years ago.  I targeted about half of them myself (only if there was not a larger antlerless deer available).  The other half were gifts from friends.  I am always thankful when that happens.    

Do you consider button bucks and 1-1/2 year olds both "baby bucks" ?  I know that you are against killing them.  What about the unborn bucks that are killed, more often than not, when mature does are harvested after the rut ?    

36 years and killing babies yet?   "God Givin Talent?

[wolc123]

10 hours ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

36 years and killing babies yet?   "God Givin Talent?

What about killing does after the rut ?   Does that bother you at all ?  Have you done much of that ?    It does not bother me too much while hunting in overpopulated zones (such as 9F where I live).

[Four Season Whitetail's]

7 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

What about killing does after the rut ?   Does that bother you at all ?  Have you done much of that ?    It does not bother me too much while hunting in overpopulated zones (such as 9F where I live).

Overpopulated area you should not have to worry about late season, killing fawns or baby bucks. But we have heard the stories so don't really need to hear them again.  Carry On!

[wolc123]

I will try one more time.  Do you kill does after the rut ?  If so, why is that ok,  but killing button bucks or 1-1/2 year old bucks is bad ?   Killing a single button buck or 1-1/2 year old removes just one "future trophy", while killing that mature doe often removes two or more, depending on her age.   

11 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

Overpopulated area you should not have to worry about late season, killing fawns or baby bucks. But we have heard the stories so don't really need to hear them again.  Carry On!

 

[Buckmaster7600]

I will try one more time.  Do you kill does after the rut ?  If so, why is that ok,  but killing button bucks or 1-1/2 year old bucks is bad ?   Killing a single button buck or 1-1/2 year old removes just one "future trophy", while killing that mature doe often removes two or more, depending on her age.   
 

Given that fawns only have a roughly 60% chance of making it 6 mos the fawn you killed has already beaten the odds as to what might have become of the fawn"s" in the womb. It's the old bird in the hand adage.

Being very pro choice it would be hypocritical of me to tell anyone not to shoot does that may be bred but I won't shoot a doe after nov 1. Then again I rarely shoot does.


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[WNYBuckHunter]

What does being pro choice have to do with shooting deer?

[Buckmaster7600]

What does being pro choice have to do with shooting deer?

A fetus in a womb is a fetus in a womb no matter what kind of critter its in the belly of.


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[WNYBuckHunter]

Pro choice has to do with abortions, human abortions specifically. Not animals, hunting or anything like that. Whats with the sudden rash of bambification around here lately?

[Buckmaster7600]

So only humans can have an abortion?


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[growalot]

Thank You!

WNYBH

Edited July 14, 2017 by growalot

[WNYBuckHunter]

4 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

So only humans can have an abortion?


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When it comes to "Pro-Choice", yes. When it comes to making a conscious decision to abort a fetus, also yes.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

7 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

Pro choice has to do with abortions, human abortions specifically. Not animals, hunting or anything like that. Whats with the sudden rash of bambification around here lately?

Bambification, Trophyisim and God. lol

[WNYBuckHunter]

3 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

Bambification, Trophyisim and God. lol

This seriously has to be the most odd turn a thread has ever taken on here. I seriously cant believe that Im having this conversation lol.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

4 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

This seriously has to be the most odd turn a thread has ever taken on here. I seriously cant believe that Im having this conversation lol.

I seriously just laughed out loud seeing you sitting there with your delete finger at the ready but then thinking to yourself that...If i do this and Wolc is that kind of Bro with God....Well who knows what could happen to ya! lol

[wolc123]

Last season I killed a 1-1/2 year old doe prior to November 1, up in zone 6C, and an older one after, down in zone 9F.  Therefore, my tally on deer abortions should have been less than (2).   Since I am very pro-life, I am not being hypocritical when I have some feelings of regret for killing does after November 1. 

My regret is selfish, knowing that I will never get to taste the button bucks or 2-1/2 year bucks someday, that she may have produced.  When hunting at home in zone 9F, I do my duty every time I can, when I have a tag and a 90% or better shot at killing a doe, for one reason only:  I value human life a lot more than deer.  A gross overpopulation of deer is not a good thing for humans. 

Does are significantly harder to kill here in 9F than antlered bucks, so I seldom fill all my tags (anyone can kill up to up to (9) does here, with (4) dmp tags, (2) transferred dmp tags, an either sex bow/ML, and an antlerless only bow/ML tag, and a gun buck tag that turns into an either sex tag during late ML season).  When my buck tags are spent, and our venison supply is secure,  I always loose most of my ambition to hunt, which does not help the situation much. 

I will try harder this year, because just last week, my good friend and coworker swerved to avoid a deer, then rolled and totaled his car.  He is ok, and fortunately his 8 month pregnant wife was not in the car at the time. Deer are responsible for more human deaths and injuries in this country than any other animal.  A driver was killed just a few miles from my house a few years ago when a deer came thru his windshield.

2 hours ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Given that fawns only have a roughly 60% chance of making it 6 mos the fawn you killed has already beaten the odds as to what might have become of the fawn"s" in the womb. It's the old bird in the hand adage.

Being very pro choice it would be hypocritical of me to tell anyone not to shoot does that may be bred but I won't shoot a doe after nov 1. Then again I rarely shoot does.


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The situation is much different in the Northern zone, so I do understand your reluctance to shoot doe after November 1 up there.  In the part of it where I hunt (6C), they only give you a DMP with two preferences, so I could not kill more than one doe every three years after Nov 1, even if I wanted to.  The one I killed up there with my ML last season, and another the same way about 4 years prior are the only two I have taken up there, so no northern zone deer abortions for me yet.      

   

Edited July 14, 2017 by wolc123

[BizCT]

I doubt I'll ever kill another doe. Shot one when I was 16 and that was enough.


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