17 killed in shooting at high school in Parkland, Florida, authorities say

[The_Field_Ager]

2 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

 the media continuously bombards them with adults engaged in disrespecting and demonstrating hatred towards those who they disagree with

3 examples please

[Five Seasons]

18 hours ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

The teacher doesn't sound or look like a high risk person to me. Now had he (justifiably) decked that kid you could make a case for  your comment but seems he did it right. 

my point is that there are probably plenty of teachers who wouldn't have been able to keep their cool.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

3 minutes ago, Belo said:

my point is that there are probably plenty of teachers who wouldn't have been able to keep their cool.

So those wouldn't fall in the "qualified" group?  I haven't heard one person say arm every teacher, no matter how the media tries to spin it. I know teachers I certainly would trust and put in that qualified group. 

 

[Five Seasons]

3 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

So those wouldn't fall in the "qualified" group?  I haven't heard one person say arm every teacher, no matter how the media tries to spin it. I know teachers I certainly would trust and put in that qualified group. 

 

ok so I'll play that game. There are 100's of thousands of teachers all across this country. Lets say that it's likely more rural districts have a higher percentage of packing teachers. And suburban and even worse liberal suburban schools have very few if any. While we all agree there is no way to possible prevent these mass shooting 100%, I don't see this being a solution.

[Five Seasons]

Last night I went to kindergarten registration at plank north in webster. I sat in 2 classrooms and listened to some very kind, loving teachers whose only desire is to help my kid learn and grow. I tried picturing any of these ladies with a g23 and it just doesn't work.

So again, I'd prefer a trained armed guard at that school over the chance that maybe one of them is packing and that maybe she is there that day and that maybe she keeps her cool and puts down the shooter.

[steve863]

I've mentioned in an earlier post that if I look back at the MANY teachers I've had from kindergarten thru 4 years of college, for the life of me I couldn't think of one that I could see fighting off or shooting down a gunman.  Most would have probably been the first ones to hide inside a school locker to avoid getting shot themselves.  I just never seen one.  Even my kids teachers.  Absolutely none of them could I imagine dropping and armed perpetrator.  Not to say that there may not be some teachers out there who'd be qualified, it's a big country after all, but I just think most teachers simply don't have this in them.

 

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

21 minutes ago, Belo said:

Last night I went to kindergarten registration at plank north in webster. I sat in 2 classrooms and listened to some very kind, loving teachers whose only desire is to help my kid learn and grow. I tried picturing any of these ladies with a g23 and it just doesn't work.

So again, I'd prefer a trained armed guard at that school over the chance that maybe one of them is packing and that maybe she is there that day and that maybe she keeps her cool and puts down the shooter.

And maybe the armed guard decides to sit outside. It doesn't have to be n all or nothing in one approach. It would actually be very stupid to put all of our eggs in one basket. 

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

6 minutes ago, steve863 said:

I've mentioned in an earlier post that if I look back at the MANY teachers I've had from kindergarten thru 4 years of college, for the life of me I couldn't think of one that I could see fighting off or shooting down a gunman.  Most would have probably been the first ones to hide inside a school locker to avoid getting shot themselves.  I just never seen one.  Even my kids teachers.  Absolutely none of them could I imagine dropping and armed perpetrator.  Not to say that there may not be some teachers out there who'd be qualified, it's a big country after all, but I just think most teachers simply don't have this in them.

 

 

I not arguing that most probably couldn't or wouldn't. I just don't think we should discount those that are qualified and could because the many can't. 

[Five Seasons]

5 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

And maybe the armed guard decides to sit outside. It doesn't have to be n all or nothing in one approach. It would actually be very stupid to put all of our eggs in one basket. 

 

fair point. I guess my fear is that one of these armed teachers does something stupid. because, well... people are stupid. Could you imagine? Some kid who is maybe even deserving like in the video i posted getting shot by an armed teacher? Might be the end of the second amendment all together. 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

9 minutes ago, Belo said:

fair point. I guess my fear is that one of these armed teachers does something stupid. because, well... people are stupid. Could you imagine? Some kid who is maybe even deserving like in the video i posted getting shot by an armed teacher? Might be the end of the second amendment all together. 

I guess if it was so likely to happen we would have had a situation like this with the areas that can carry in school already

[The_Field_Ager]

Is this why they want us disarmed, so the left can have their glorious revolution?

 

[The_Field_Ager]

Why Does The Media Care More About The Parkland Shooting Than It Ever Did About Las Vegas?

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27562/walsh-parkland-shootinglas-vegas-matt-walsh#exit-modal

[The_Field_Ager]

 

[Doc]

On ‎2‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 9:53 AM, Belo said:

fair point. I guess my fear is that one of these armed teachers does something stupid. because, well... people are stupid. Could you imagine? Some kid who is maybe even deserving like in the video i posted getting shot by an armed teacher? Might be the end of the second amendment all together. 

I am hoping that before any such plan were to be put in place, a very rigid program of background checks and mental evaluation and a very rigid program of school security training would be developed for anyone who would take on the responsibility of being an armed protection resource whether they be a teacher, janitor, coach, registered security guard or even a member of the local police force. I doubt they would simply make it a "bring your gun to school" day for any volunteers that might come along ..... lol.

[Five Seasons]

On 2/28/2018 at 7:33 PM, Papist said:

Why Does The Media Care More About The Parkland Shooting Than It Ever Did About Las Vegas?

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27562/walsh-parkland-shootinglas-vegas-matt-walsh#exit-modal

probably because they were kids who were killed in a school...

[Just Lucky]

3 hours ago, Belo said:

probably because they were kids who were killed in a school...

Or because the shooting in vegas was a country music concert. We know they're republicans

[First-light]

So this thread is buried down into page two of most recent. So here we go and think about how this thread dies. It's only a few on each side that want to express their feelings on the subject good or bad right or indifferent. It's just how it goes..............let's hope our country stays safe and our children prosper.

[Rattler]

IMHO, this thread is discussing details that are irrelevant to the proper solution. 

#1. There should be armed security at schools that is in no way affiliated with the local school system, so it cannot be corrupted by local politics.  Perhaps they should be federal employees, such as National Guard, veterans or retired federal officers, that will not be involved in any of the teacher's union demands, or local school board's antics, or even the state's, thereby keeping them focused on protecting the kids.  The money to pay for these federal employees should be transfered from other areas of the federal budget that prove to be wasteful, ill advised or unnecessary.

#2.  No teacher should be required to be any type of security against an active shooter.  They must volunteer to be part of it, volunteer to be armed if they want to be, and be certified as part of the defense network.  They must also be required to possess whatever qualifications the armed security force deems necessary to be part of the defense network.  They don't get to be part of the network without meeting this criteria.

#3.  Any mass gathering of citizens, for any reason, should be required to provide the same security that would be required for schools.  Federal employees of the type outlined above, and paid for by the venue's promoters.  Additionally, no properly licensed concealed carrier would be denied their right to carry while attending any such event.

#4.  Having a fear one of these people, be they armed security, concealed carrier or security certified teacher, will do something "stupid", is unfounded, because they basically fall under the same legal rules as any concealed carrier.  They will know when deadly force is justified and when it isn't.  Looking at the stats for concealed carriers throughout the US, proves they are the least "stupid" of any armed group in the country today, having the fewest unjustified shootings.

This is a system that should be immediately implemented to put a stop to this problem.  I will not accept any further restriction on 2nd Amendment rights until it has been properly implement and proves to be ineffective.  It is highly unlikely it wouldn't be effective.  I would hope all Americans who cherish the freedoms we have always had, would also support this solution and stand against any government restriction on rights that had nothing to do with the problem.

Anyone who calls for the government to decide how to fix this problem, is taking the decision out of the hands of the people and putting it in the hands of big government, which has every motive to corrupt the solution to benefit itself at the people's expense.

We should be demanding the government do as we say, to fix the problem, not asking it to tell us what we should do.

 

Edited March 4, 2018 by Rattler

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Rattler. “Mass gatherings”. How do you define that?

[Rattler]

16 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

Rattler. “Mass gatherings”. How do you define that?

Public venues for profit where private security would be insufficient.  In actuality,  if it requires a permit to operate, the security required would be specified in the permit.

[Five Seasons]

On 3/2/2018 at 12:39 PM, Just Lucky said:

Or because the shooting in vegas was a country music concert. We know they're republicans

No. That's not it and you know it. There is something to be said as a parent (not sure if you're one) that when you send your kid off to school to be looked after and cared for by others that they will come home safe minus the occasional bully and fight. Adults make their own decisions, taking a risk to go anywhere in public, take public transportation or even drive down the road is a choice we make. Children MUST go to school.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

5 minutes ago, Belo said:

 Children MUST go to school.

No, in all honesty you made the choice. Albeit it isn't much of a  choice, but you could keep the kids home and home school. 

[Five Seasons]

13 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

No, in all honesty you made the choice. Albeit it isn't much of a  choice, but you could keep the kids home and home school. 

[chas0218]

32 minutes ago, Belo said:

Children MUST go to school.

Children MUST get an education not go to school. You can also choose where they go to school. I don't think I have seen anything about a school shooting at a charter school. I understand what you meant but there are other choices if you are really that worried about it.

In all honesty your argument for not arming teachers isn't very strong. When was the last time you heard in the news about a teacher that flew off the handle and clocked some kid or fellow employee? I don't see where having a level headed teacher with a gun would be an issue. I also don't think the teachers should be expected to go after the perp. Sit and wait would be ideal anyway knowing you as the teacher have the upper hand and element of surprise.

Edited March 5, 2018 by chas0218

[Five Seasons]

4 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

Children MUST get an education not go to school. You can also choose where they go to school. I don't think I have seen anything about a school shooting at a charter school. I understand what you meant but there are other choices if you are really that worried about it.

In all honesty your argument for not arming teachers isn't very strong. When was the last time you heard in the news about a teacher that flew off the handle and clocked some kid or fellow employee? I don't see where having a level headed teacher with a gun would be an issue. I also don't think the teachers should be expected to go after the perp. Sit and wait would be ideal anyway knowing you as the teacher have the upper hand and element of surprise.

uhhh like 3 days ago

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/28/us/georgia-dalton-high-school-teacher-gunfire/index.html