Local Fair Displays

[dbHunterNY]

Figured this might get some fired up for this season. Mostly local deer from this past season. Bigger ones were taken but couldn't get hunters to bring them. Some just too secretive. We'll have another smaller setup at the fair in Rensselaer county fair. Wish I took more photos.

 

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[moog5050]

cool display and just confirms you can't age by horns

[dbHunterNY]

16 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

cool display and just confirms you can't age by horns

we had 3.5 year olds ranging from 90" to mid 140".  5.5 yr olds ranging from 130's to the euro in the middle that made it to 170". picture doesn't do it justice. the euro had 3+" thick beams.  on the aging board game with lights many choose the 3.5 yr old buck as the oldest because of its antlers. it made it into the 150's at 4.5 before it was taken. the 5.5 yr old on that board scored high 120's but dressed out just over 230lbs.

Edited August 27, 2018 by dbHunterNY

[grampy]

Really nice display!  What area were most of those bucks killed? And which fair was the display?

[moog5050]

26 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said:

we had 3.5 year olds ranging from 90" to mid 140".  5.5 yr olds ranging from 130's to the euro in the middle that made it to 170". picture doesn't do it justice. the euro had 3+" thick beams.  on the aging board game with lights many choose the 3.5 yr old buck as the oldest because of its antlers. it made it into the 150's at 4.5 before it was taken. the 5.5 yr old on that board scored high 120's but dressed out just over 230lbs.

Holy smokes.  Never would have guessed that Euro is 170.  Looks good but not that big.

[landtracdeerhunter]

OP.,  We were invited to NY, State Fair a few years ago. The safety of the mount from theft overnight is in question.  That ended that conservation.

Edited August 27, 2018 by landtracdeerhunter

[dbHunterNY]

9 minutes ago, landtracdeerhunter said:

OP.,  We were invited to NY, State Fair a few years ago. The safety of the mount from theft overnight is in question.  That ended that conservation.

i could see that.  only us in cabin or shed. only fair office or us has key. fair gates closed off hours. mounts only there during days fair is open.  we usually have trail cams hidden in places as back up.  we've gotten pictures of a disgruntled older man tagging one of our road side signs with spray cans. lol hard to get out of that when we had a photo of his mug holding the can with paint coming out only 5' away. mounts are always a concern, but we haven't had issues with the mounts since we started over a decade ago.

[wooly]

46 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

cool display and just confirms you can't age by horns

Honestly believe that many of the "professional" jaw bone age estimates floating around out there are WAY off myself, especially when guys have no previous years history with a buck and just "officially" stamp a number on it.

A close acquaintance of mine has a 140" 13pt taken from the property I've hunted and picked up sheds from for the past 30 years.

He had it aged (by DEC if I'm not mistaking)), and it came back as a 2.5 year old.

Now it doesn't matter how impressive of a buck someone else takes from the property.... it's only ever a 1.5yo, and that's the reason we never see any 3.5's and 4.5's. I'm not saying you're wrong when you say you can't age by antlers, but after a few dozen years of collecting what the property consistently grows each year in each class with a few exceptions, I think you can be fairly accurate in the 1.5 - 4.5 yo category even if you may have never seen a 4.5 on the hoof.

Properties being posted this year so should be covered up in 100"-125" yearlings at the very least,lol

All this ageing and scoring crap has gone to everyones head if you ask me!

 

 

[moog5050]

2 minutes ago, wooly said:

 

All this ageing and scoring crap has gone to everyones head if you ask me!

 

 

No disagreement from me on this point Wooly.  And I can't comment on jawbone aging as I am ill informed to do so.  Of course that has not stopped me from commenting on other subjects of which I am ill informed.

[dbHunterNY]

31 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

Holy smokes.  Never would have guessed that Euro is 170.  Looks good but not that big.

i didn't measure it but i think it's like 80" in tines. beams stick out practically even with the shoulder mounts at least a couple feet out but it's a euro flat against the wall. then you've got the mass measurements with 3+" wide beams. hard to think it came from this area with that kind of midwest mass but it did.

[dbHunterNY]

5 minutes ago, wooly said:

Honestly believe that many of the "professional" jaw bone age estimates floating around out there are WAY off myself, especially when guys have no previous years history with a buck and just "officially" stamp a number on it.

A close acquaintance of mine has a 140" 13pt taken from the property I've hunted and picked up sheds from for the past 30 years.

He had it aged (by DEC if I'm not mistaking)), and it came back as a 2.5 year old.

Now it doesn't matter how impressive of a buck someone else takes from the property.... it's only ever a 1.5yo, and that's the reason we never see any 3.5's and 4.5's. I'm not saying you're wrong when you say you can't age by antlers, but after a few dozen years of collecting what the property consistently grows each year in each class with a few exceptions, I think you can be fairly accurate in the 1.5 - 4.5 yo category even if you may have never seen a 4.5 on the hoof.

Properties being posted this year so should be covered up in 100"-125" yearlings at the very least,lol

All this ageing and scoring crap has gone to everyones head if you ask me!

 

 

most at DEC suck in my opinion.  all the ages in our bldg came from a combo of trail cam on hoof photos and/or history, then jawbone aging, and then finally sending out incisors to matson's lab for cementum aging.  the point really is that it's just good to know potential and to ground your expectations to the deer in your area, not off what you see on TV.  when it comes down to it, in the field your going to see a deer that will trip your trigger or not. that simple and everyone's standards are different. not like we all can say that's a XX yr old deer to within a year, every time.  then we decide if we'll shoot or pass based on that. doesn't really work like that much of the time.

[LET EM GROW]

Cool display! that is really neat. I know where I'd be hanging out if i were there.

Deer do grow differently in different areas no doubt, soil and genetic depending. Im no biologist, but I have archives of pics of bucks we have/had history with over the years. Some are pretty simple to age, some are a bit more difficult to age. But without "history" I think ages can be slightly off, especially in non AG, more rocky, poor soiled areas. Ive even spoke with Matt Ross about a couple, and they had him on a limb as well. Even when I know basically the exact age of the deer, a "Biologist of Whitetail Aging" or one who believes they are... will tell you different. 

I have 2 bucks this year that i know for a fact are 9.5 yrs old, I would love to see those jaw bone. Maybe I should start trying to gather jaw bones from bucks taken and start documenting. Sounds like fun actually..  

 

[dbHunterNY]

1 hour ago, grampy said:

Really nice display!  What area were most of those bucks killed? And which fair was the display?

that was washington county fair.  all the bucks were from washington county. we'll have another at schaghticoke with rensselaer county bucks. only exception is a shoulder mount we've got of a yearling spike with 3" spikes. that makes it to all of the fairs.

[rob-c]

1 hour ago, dbHunterNY said:

we had 3.5 year olds ranging from 90" to mid 140".  5.5 yr olds ranging from 130's to the euro in the middle that made it to 170". picture doesn't do it justice. the euro had 3+" thick beams.  on the aging board game with lights many choose the 3.5 yr old buck as the oldest because of its antlers. it made it into the 150's at 4.5 before it was taken. the 5.5 yr old on that board scored high 120's but dressed out just over 230lbs.

I agree with moog, you can see that euro has some mass but you weren’t kidding when you said the photo doesn’t do it justice. Don’t suppose you could get a better one? Maybe with a hand around the beams.. 

[moog5050]

11 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said:

that was washington county fair.  all the bucks were from washington county. we'll have another at schaghticoke with rensselaer county bucks. only exception is a shoulder mount we've got of a yearling spike with 3" spikes. that makes it to all of the fairs.

did you steal that spike from my trophy room?

[dbHunterNY]

Just now, rob-c said:

I agree with moog, you can see that euro has some mass but you weren’t kidding when you said the photo doesn’t do it justice. Don’t suppose you could get a better one? Maybe with a hand around the beams.. 

i'm at my day job in albany right now. if it hasn't gone back to it's original owner yet i'll take one tonight. when i took the pictures i was afraid to touch it being a euro on the wall with concrete floor under it. later i was told it was actually wired up good in the back and wasn't going anywhere.

[rob-c]

2 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said:

i'm at my day job in albany right now. if it hasn't gone back to it's original owner yet i'll take one tonight. when i took the pictures i was afraid to touch it being a euro on the wall with concrete floor under it. later i was told it was actually wired up good in the back and wasn't going anywhere.

Got ya, I don’t blame you.. 

[dbHunterNY]

2 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

did you steal that spike from my trophy room?

yours was closer to 4" spikes. probably those western ny deer genetics. we didn't want to get labeled as trophy hunters out here in northeaster NY.

[moog5050]

1 minute ago, dbHunterNY said:

yours was closer to 4" spikes. probably those western ny deer genetics. we didn't want to get labeled as trophy hunters out here in northeaster NY.

I try to keep em under 3" for the antlerless tag.

[grampy]

52 minutes ago, wooly said:

Honestly believe that many of the "professional" jaw bone age estimates floating around out there are WAY off myself, especially when guys have no previous years history with a buck and just "officially" stamp a number on it.

A close acquaintance of mine has a 140" 13pt taken from the property I've hunted and picked up sheds from for the past 30 years.

He had it aged (by DEC if I'm not mistaking)), and it came back as a 2.5 year old.

Now it doesn't matter how impressive of a buck someone else takes from the property.... it's only ever a 1.5yo, and that's the reason we never see any 3.5's and 4.5's. I'm not saying you're wrong when you say you can't age by antlers, but after a few dozen years of collecting what the property consistently grows each year in each class with a few exceptions, I think you can be fairly accurate in the 1.5 - 4.5 yo category even if you may have never seen a 4.5 on the hoof.

Properties being posted this year so should be covered up in 100"-125" yearlings at the very least,lol

All this ageing and scoring crap has gone to everyones head if you ask me!

 

 

I thought we all agreed that the Pa. Chest Girth, was the only way to measure deer........grin.

[dbHunterNY]

3 minutes ago, grampy said:

I thought we all agreed that the Pa. Chest Girth, was the only way to measure deer........grin.

yes sir. those are all feeder steers on the wall. guess my cover is blown.

[Just Lucky]

7 hours ago, dbHunterNY said:

 

Figured this might get some fired up for this season. Mostly local deer from this past season. Bigger ones were taken but couldn't get hunters to bring them. Some just too secretive. We'll have another smaller setup at the fair in Rensselaer county fair. Wish I took more photos.

 

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4th picture,  really cool . Wide main beam

[Just Lucky]

And the first pic, top right big brow tines.

For me the brow tines or none, really give character

[dbHunterNY]

I agree with moog, you can see that euro has some mass but you weren’t kidding when you said the photo doesn’t do it justice. Don’t suppose you could get a better one? Maybe with a hand around the beams.. 

I said I'd take better pictures if I could. Dead deer so no worries. I'm no@moog5050 but 6' tall. Nevermind the dad bod. Holding it down and close to me as I could.


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[Four Season Whitetail's]

Should have put a quick tape to it...