How much will it take?

[Skillet]

I was just wondering something. The politicians are way out of line. How many of us are going to get to the point where we say "enough"? Enough gun control, enough chipping away at our freedom. If they have their way, the day will come when they say "turn them in, all of them" There will be people who will comply, and there will be people who will say "NO". I want to know how many of us feel that this freedom is important enough to defend it at all costs. How many of us will say "enough, you are not taking my guns" & be prepared to deal with the consequences? I'm not starting some debate here, I just want to know.

Edited February 3, 2012 by Skillet

[Elmo]

What do you suggest we do?

[Doc]

That's a real good question. It probably would hinge on what the penalty was for illegal possession. How many people would be willing to go to prison for gun ownership? How many people would leave themselves vulnerable to fines that might place kid's college education funds or retirement resources at risk? And if such a law were to be passed, is it a thing that you could fight by simply breaking the law? How effective would that tactic actually be? Yes you could seal them up in your wall, or bury them in a strong box out in the back yard, but what would that prove? Owning a gun that you can't use is kind of a silly thing that proves nothing.

The only way would be to comply and fight them in the courts. But I would say that even if such a law got overturned, the damage would be done and a majority of ex-gun owners would likely never re-purchase their lost guns. And you can't force the government to return destroyed guns.

So I guess, we had just better make sure that it never happens. And the best way to do that is to stay organized and keep that NRA membership current.

[bkln]

We are already saying this, join the fight with the NRA and GOA...

[ELMER J. FUDD]

My theory on the government takeover of the willing is This: When's the last time the gov. did anything right? Have you been to a DMV lately? They are too big to tie their own shoes. Bigger they are the harder they fall. Don't worry about it.

[Grouse]

Gun rights are being eroded every day, little by little. We can expect all gun rights to be eliminated very soon, if we keep allowing them to make small steps towards banning gun rights. Want to stop the gun ban from happening? Start attacking the laws that are already on the books that infringe on or rights!

Unfortunately, too many gun owners in NY and the USA, don't feel the abusive gun laws we have now are unreasonable. The anti-gun lawmakers know that and count on it when they ram another gun law up our butts. They won't stop asking for more control, so we better start giving them even less.

That being said, If guns are outlawed, I will become an outlaw.

[Skillet]

Elmo, I don't have an idea that would fit all of us, like Doc says, it depends on the individual situation. Grouse, I like the way you put it. I won't give them even one of my guns, regardless of the penalties. They can have them bullet first. I know some of you will think "yeah right, you have big balls sitting behind a computer" I swear tho, that they will not get even one firearm from me. I have no delusions about the end result of non-compliance, but I refuse to live as a subject of tyranny.

Edited February 3, 2012 by Skillet

[hunter49]

NRA, GOA, SAF which one is best ? I say only give up the ones they know about & hide the rest along with plenty of ammo. for those. But who knows what would happen if all stuck together ?

[Elmo]

I've been had enough but I'm going to leave it to the politicians. You have to be realistic here. I don't have children yet but I certainly don't want my kids growing up without their father because I made a stance like I'm Johnny Rambo in "First Blood". Please don't get me wrong, I love my guns and I'm sure there are those here that love theirs more than I do mine but at the same time, there are other priorities in life and just because some people put those priorities higher on their list doesn't mean they don't stand behind their belief of the second amendment.

[Skillet]

NRA, GOA, SAF which one is best ? I say only give up the ones they know about & hide the rest along with plenty of ammo. for those. But who knows what would happen if all stuck together ?

My thoughts exactly.

[Skillet]

I've been had enough but I'm going to leave it to the politicians. You have to be realistic here. I don't have children yet but I certainly don't want my kids growing up without their father because I made a stance like I'm Johnny Rambo in "First Blood". Please don't get me wrong, I love my guns and I'm sure there are those here that love theirs more than I do mine but at the same time, there are other priorities in life and just because some people put those priorities higher on their list doesn't mean they don't stand behind their belief of the second amendment.

Elmo, I'm not saying that you don't value your rights, like I said, everybody has a different situation. I don't want my son growing up without a dad either, but there is a line in the sand for me. There is a point where "living" becomes nothing more than "obeying" It has been repeated as long as history has been recorded. I don't want my son growing up as a slave, controlled by the desires of the elite few who run the government. I'm not going to get into the cospiracy theory stuff, but removing people's right to defend themselves makes it a lot easier to move ahead with things that are much more scary. These "plans" and "policies" designed to "protect" us, seem to point in one general direction, complete government control, of every aspect of your life.

[Doewhacker]

I'm confused, who is taking our guns away?

Is this just one of those hypothetical deals?

[Uncle Nicky]

Join the NRA, $35 insurance that you keep your guns for another year. And you get a nifty magazine subscription to boot!

[steve863]

I've been had enough but I'm going to leave it to the politicians. You have to be realistic here. I don't have children yet but I certainly don't want my kids growing up without their father because I made a stance like I'm Johnny Rambo in "First Blood". Please don't get me wrong, I love my guns and I'm sure there are those here that love theirs more than I do mine but at the same time, there are other priorities in life and just because some people put those priorities higher on their list doesn't mean they don't stand behind their belief of the second amendment.

Very well put, Elmo. There are many more important things in life. Those who think they couldn't survive in this world without a gun, are kidding themselves. Lots of people don't have guns in this country and in many other places around the world and live quite happily and are not slaves to tyrants or governments. Some people I guess think some sort of boogeyman is out to get them at all times, so I guess feel naked without a gun. They could believe whatever they want, but need to understand that their way of thinking is not shared by everyone and never will be.

[virgil]

^{Here we go again.}

[tughillhunter]

I just filled out some petition/survey from the nra about this topic... Personally, I dont think were will lose the right to bear arms, but its gonna be a real pain in the rear end.

[virgil]

I know that there are plenty of guys who feel differently. But, I don't think we're in danger of losing the right to bear arms either. I do think that there will eventually be restrictions on assault-type weapons.

[steve863]

I do think that there will eventually be restrictions on assault-type weapons.

The interesting part is that these type of weapons are the hottest sellers in the gun world these days. Go to any gun shop and they have more AR15's than they do traditional hunting type guns. Everything is tactical this and tactical that it seems. They are even selling life sized zombie dummies for the tactical shooter to shoot at which I find completely ridiculous. So right now the only way I see these types of weapons being restricted is if you have a number of incidents where some looneys wrecked havoc with legally purchased guns of this type. And with the numbers of these types of weapons increasing everyday, I guess that possibility of such incidents will also. So time will tell, I guess.

[virgil]

Steve. You're probably right. But, i think the point is- and this is what a lot of the big-time gun rights guys feel- criminals don't buy their guns legally. The problem is that these types of guns are produced legally, but somehow wind up in the wrong hands. It's for this reason that I can see an eventual ban.

[hunter49]

Doe wacker , there is a movement going on ask we speak in the U.N. to make a world wide ban on all firearms. I know it sounds nuts but the last I read on it , it had some pretty go backing from countries around the world. I beleive it is to be voted on in the next year or two. Info. came from NRA . Check out US sportsman alliance site for more crap that is going on in other states, that give stupid ideas to the others.

[Elmo]

I signed up with the NRA as a life member and plan to actively participate in elections/voting. I try to promote gun ownership and try to represent gun owners as best as I can by being a model citizen. I think that's the best we can do.

[steve863]

The problem is that these types of guns are produced legally, but somehow wind up in the wrong hands. It's for this reason that I can see an eventual ban.

I hear you there, and that is the core of the problem that many gun rights guys can't seem to grasp. Every gun that is used in any crime was once a legal purchase somewhere. Not like the gun manufacturers are opening their backdoors and filling up the trunks of criminals. Legal purchasers are allowing guns to end up in the wrong hands in one way or another. The gun rights guys don't want to hear this, but that's what's happening. Tell them that background checks should be put in place for private sales also, and they will balk at that too. Well then, if we don't do a damned thing to help protect guns from falling into the wrong hands, then government surely WILL take them all away. I really don't care to discuss this all again here with people who obviously will never fully get it, though. There are two sides to every story, but unfortunately many people just want to look at their own side.

[Elmo]

Well then, if we don't do a damned thing to help protect guns from falling into the wrong hands, then government surely WILL take them all away.

I agree. But to add to that, it's also up to the government. I think government should increase efforts to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands instead of banning guns altogether. Example: How does putting a 5 round magazine limit on NYC remove an illegal assault weapon from a criminal's hand?

[steve863]

I agree. But to add to that, it's also up to the government. I think government should increase efforts to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands instead of banning guns altogether. Example: How does putting a 5 round magazine limit on NYC remove an illegal assault weapon from a criminal's hand?

You have a point on the magazine limit and banning guns, but how can government do anything to protect guns from falling into the wrong hands when there is NO uniformity in gun laws in this nation? Just try to implement some sort of uniformity between the states and the NRA and the gunrights crowd will cry bloody murder and won't want any part of it. All those with extreme views on the gun issue, be they for them or against them are pretty screwed up in my opinion and add to the problem, nevermind do anything to help solve it. It's actually kind of the same for any other issue in this country also. Too many extremist at the decision making level to ever come to any sane solutions. Plus, if a sane solution was somehow found, the lobbyist and other blowhards of course would NO longer be profiting on this issue, so the American way has become to NEVER come up with solutions to anything. They just argue the same issues for decades and do JACKS#!+ to solve any of them.

[Doewhacker]

The best thing to do is watch who we vote for, keeping the gun issue in your mind.