Rand Paul: "The election was in many ways stolen"

[cachemoney]

44 minutes ago, 9jNYstarkOH said:

It is widely known that both parties commit fraud republicans use voter suppression and democrats stuff the ballot box. This is nothing new and we have some overflowing ballot boxes with unverified mail in ballots don’t we. The hand recount in Antrim country MI for example shows plenty to support that this election does contain fraud. I do not believe this only because he tells me to as I can use my own reasoning, such as the push by Democrats for mass mailed out ballots that are easily used to stuff the boxs. Do you care to address the 11000000 million stimulus check sent to dead people or just keep your head in the sand and pretend this is a secure way to have a election or admit this is very open to fraud. And where are you on the violation of constitution seems as you are ok with it.

I am not sure where you are getting that info on Antrim County. 

Antrim County hand tally affirms certified election results

"The recount affirmed Trump's victory in Antrim. The county's certified results showed Trump won the county. A total of 15,949 votes were cast, of which Trump won 9,748 votes while President-elect Joe Biden won 5,960, according to the certified results.

According to the preliminary results of Thursday's hand recount, Biden had 5,959 votes, or one fewer than the certified results showed. Trump had 9,759 votes, or 11 more than the certified results showed, giving him a net gain of 12 votes."

Also:

"On election night, the county's unofficial results showed Biden winning the county, a GOP stronghold. The next morning, Antrim County Clerk Sheryl Guy was first alerted to the error and the clerk's staff began manually reviewing the vote totals contained on the tape from the tabulators. 

Guy, who is a Republican, said that after learning some candidates in local races were omitted from the ballot, she needed to update the ballot information stored on media drives attached to the tabulating machines. But she mistakenly made the changes only in some precincts, instead of all of them, leading to mismatched data when the unofficial countywide tallies were being compiled, and an inaccurate report of the unofficial results, Guy and Benson have said. The tabulators accurately read voters' ballots, they said. "

The error was made by a Republican, not some vast conspiracy to change the results of an election. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by cachemoney
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[virgil]

19 minutes ago, steve863 said:

I've long felt that the presidential election needs to somehow be nationalized.  None of this BS where each state has it's own rules and ways of running a presidential election.  Of course the republicans would be the first ones against this since it goes against their philosophy of states rights.   

They don't seem to mind meddling in states rights now as they keep suing individual states over the way the ran their elections.

[virgil]

23 minutes ago, 9jNYstarkOH said:

I did make a typo thank you , also I believe your insult was a typo also (half a brain) but we all make mistakes. I will  also make myself a fool too by calling yours out also. Who knew someone that has all the answers wouldn’t know It was 1.1 million. But I like that fact you are admitting you are aware that mail in ballots is a “easy opportunity” for fraud and I commend you on your honesty. So now where are you on the violation of the constitution?

The 'have a brain' part was in reference to Phantom's post.  Not sure how the Trump Administration mailing out checks to dead people equates to only Democrats cheating on mail-in ballots.  But, if that's what they're telling you to believe....

[9jNYstarkOH]

20 minutes ago, virgil said:

The 'have a brain' part was in reference to Phantom's post.  Not sure how the Trump Administration mailing out checks to dead people equates to only Democrats cheating on mail-in ballots.  But, if that's what they're telling you to believe....

Where did I say only Democrats cheated I have only agreed with your statement that mail in ballots is was a “easy opportunity” for fraud. As I have stated and as is seems you agree that this was a opening for fraud so why would I need someone to tell me what to believe. Again where are you on the violation of the constitution?

[9jNYstarkOH]

1 hour ago, cachemoney said:

I am not sure where you are getting that info on Antrim County. 

Antrim County hand tally affirms certified election results

"The recount affirmed Trump's victory in Antrim. The county's certified results showed Trump won the county. A total of 15,949 votes were cast, of which Trump won 9,748 votes while President-elect Joe Biden won 5,960, according to the certified results.

According to the preliminary results of Thursday's hand recount, Biden had 5,959 votes, or one fewer than the certified results showed. Trump had 9,759 votes, or 11 more than the certified results showed, giving him a net gain of 12 votes."

Also:

"On election night, the county's unofficial results showed Biden winning the county, a GOP stronghold. The next morning, Antrim County Clerk Sheryl Guy was first alerted to the error and the clerk's staff began manually reviewing the vote totals contained on the tape from the tabulators. 

Guy, who is a Republican, said that after learning some candidates in local races were omitted from the ballot, she needed to update the ballot information stored on media drives attached to the tabulating machines. But she mistakenly made the changes only in some precincts, instead of all of them, leading to mismatched data when the unofficial countywide tallies were being compiled, and an inaccurate report of the unofficial results, Guy and Benson have said. The tabulators accurately read voters' ballots, they said. "

The error was made by a Republican, not some vast conspiracy to change the results of an election. 

Here is a link to the forensic audit preformed by allied security operation group.

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

[virgil]

21 minutes ago, 9jNYstarkOH said:

Where did I say only Democrats cheated I have only agreed with your statement that mail in ballots is was a “easy opportunity” for fraud. As I have stated and as is seems you agree that this was a opening for fraud so why would I need someone to tell me what to believe. Again where are you on the violation of the constitution?

You're missing the point about the 'easy opportunity'.  But, that's okay.  I'll try to help you.  The point is that, if mail-in ballots were so easily exploited, it would have been attempted by both sides equally.  Pretending that only one side would exploit an easy opportunity and the other wouldn't, is just silly.

As far as violating the Constitution, I'm opposed to it, of course.  For example, I'm opposed to the idea of the POTUS demanding Georgia overturn it's election and disregarding the will of the people.  Time to quit crying and accept the fact that your guy lost.

[left field]

Always be grifting.

 

[cachemoney]

1 hour ago, 9jNYstarkOH said:

Here is a link to the forensic audit preformed by allied security operation group.

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

Ya, the handcount I linked to shows this "report" to be false, yet you are still claiming there was fraud. 

[9jNYstarkOH]

50 minutes ago, virgil said:

You're missing the point about the 'easy opportunity'.  But, that's okay.  I'll try to help you.  The point is that, if mail-in ballots were so easily exploited, it would have been attempted by both sides equally.  Pretending that only one side would exploit an easy opportunity and the other wouldn't, is just silly.

As far as violating the Constitution, I'm opposed to it, of course.  For example, I'm opposed to the idea of the POTUS demanding Georgia overturn it's election and disregarding the will of the people.  Time to quit crying and accept the fact that your guy lost.

I see your point just fine but please explain to me how mass mailings of unsolicited ballots is safe. As discussed earlier in this thread Democratic mail in voting was much higher and with that had more “easy opportunity’s” for fraudulent ballots. We should not leave this as what side cheated better, we don’t let the bank robber go because he made it outside the bank. What do you believe we should do with the votes cast in violation of the constitution? I did not know having a discussion was crying but you can see it that way and I am fine with you crying back as this is just a discussion.

[9jNYstarkOH]

10 minutes ago, cachemoney said:

Ya, the handcount I linked to shows this "report" to be false, yet you are still claiming there was fraud. 

 

2 hours ago, cachemoney said:

I am not sure where you are getting that info on Antrim County. 

Antrim County hand tally affirms certified election results

I was simply replying to your question where I was getting my information from which was the forensic audit performed. If you read the 23 page report and don’t believe the audit that is okay with me but that is the source of my information.

Edited December 18, 2020 by 9jNYstarkOH

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Interesting that people who are basically so similar, all of you, have been so severely divided.  All this name calling rather than discussion shows what has actually happened the past four years to our civility and our republic.  Regardless of party or belief, we all need to step back and recognize what has happened - and then try to correct it rather than make it more difficult to express an honest opinion.   

Edited December 18, 2020 by [email protected]

[phantom]

7 hours ago, steve863 said:

I've long felt that the presidential election needs to somehow be nationalized.  None of this BS where each state has it's own rules and ways of running a presidential election.  Of course the republicans would be the first ones against this since it goes against their philosophy of states rights.   

Don't think you will find any objections for universal voter ID laws from the right on the state  level  . That's just the left  not wanting to change the law because they  want to be able to cheat  kinda of obvious . Any time the right asked for it in  any state the left strikes it down if they can. Same would happen if it was done on the federal level .

Edited December 18, 2020 by phantom

[left field]

4 hours ago, [email protected] said:

Interesting that people who are basically so similar, all of you, have been so severely divided.  All this name calling rather than discussion shows what has actually happened the past four years to our civility and our republic.  Regardless of party or belief, we all need to step back and recognize what has happened - and then try to correct it rather than make it more difficult to express an honest opinion.   

Welcome to the internet. You must be new here.

[Grouse]

The 2020 election just solidified the US Government's standing as the most corrupt government in the western world.

Joe will begin attacking all our freedoms and smile broadly while he does it.  Any many fools in the land will defend his every tyranny.  God help the US.

[Nomad]

17 hours ago, [email protected] said:

Interesting that people who are basically so similar, all of you, have been so severely divided.  All this name calling rather than discussion shows what has actually happened the past four years to our civility and our republic.  Regardless of party or belief, we all need to step back and recognize what has happened - and then try to correct it rather than make it more difficult to express an honest opinion.   

Actually it’s like a half a dozen guys who post on this section of the forum who fall into those categories, else where we all get along, meet up, give items to each other ,hunt together . And nobody cares if you’re a commie lib .

[phantom]

On 12/18/2020 at 3:59 PM, [email protected] said:

Interesting that people who are basically so similar, all of you, have been so severely divided.  All this name calling rather than discussion shows what has actually happened the past four years to our civility and our republic.  Regardless of party or belief, we all need to step back and recognize what has happened - and then try to correct it rather than make it more difficult to express an honest opinion.   

started with Obama  and Hilary Clinton  

Edited December 20, 2020 by phantom

[Grouse]

Identity politics caused the great division in America.  Everyone was encouraged to seek out their own "victim status" and see the rest of the country as an enemy.  This tactic has been used by leftists, not conservatives.  It is a time honored Marxist tactic used in every Communist revolution throughout history. Obama used it all the time and started all of the divisiveness going on today.  Trump's entire 4 years in office was attacked by leftists hoping to convince the easily offended he was their enemy.  Those clueless souls were easily manipulated and still are.

Why was it done?  So the govt could expand into every area of your life and freedom and eliminate as many of your rights as possible to benefit the "collective" while tyrannizing the individual.

Anyone who thinks what I just wrote is not true, is one of the government's "useful idiots".  One day, not too far in the future, you will no longer be "useful".  Guess what happens then?

[Grouse]

[Grouse]

The Democrats' real election fraud strategy is paying rich dividends.

Democrats attempted two, in effect, coup d'états to take down Trump during his presidency. The first was the "Russia collusion" delusion, and the second was the Pelosi/Schiff impeachment charade.

Having failed at both, their third and final effort, using a bulk-mail balloting strategy to overwhelm Trump's electoral support, succeeded. While President Trump has been focused on electronic hardware and software manipulation, which could account for election fraud, those concerns, while legitimate, are a diversion from the real mass-voting fraud — millions of bulk-mail votes that have, ostensibly, been authenticated.

The bulk-mail and absentee ballot authentication problem is twofold: First, there is the question of proper identification for the person registered to vote by mail, particularly if that registration was part of bulk-registration initiatives. Second, there is the question of actual signature authentication, be it human or electronic.

The biggest states requiring NO voter ID are, to one degree or another, Democrat-controlled: California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Oregon, and North Carolina.  Democrats pretentiously protest that requiring a valid ID to ensure voter eligibility is solely about "voter suppression." Need I list the number of basic activities that require a photo ID — you know, like buying a beer, or driving a car, or boarding a plane, or attending the NAACP National Conference?

Worse than not requiring and affirming identification of in-person voters is the Democrat strategy to expand bulk-mail voting by millions of, in effect, unidentified voters. Currently, voting by mail is an option in 33 states and the District of Columbia. In 2020, five states — Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah, and Washington — held elections almost entirely by mail, with Hawaii and Utah adopting full vote-by-mail elections in 2020.

In 45 states plus DC, provisions, some temporary and some permanent, allowed voting by mail without an excuse, and other changes were also made to make voting easier. In nine states and DC, bulk-mail ballots are now mailed to the last known addresses of all "registered" voters — the so-called "universal voting" process. Those states included major Demo strongholds: California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Colorado, and New Jersey.

The number of bulk-mail ballots skyrocketed to more than 65 million in 2020, 65% of the 101 million early votes cast — and that total was the equivalent of 73% of all votes cast (136.6 million) in 2016. In that election, only 25% (33 million) of votes were the result of "universal voting" or absentee ballots. Predictably, the number of mail ballots cast for Democrats far exceeded the number cast by Republicans. Some 81% of Democrat voters say they supported voting by mail. And, no surprise here: Almost twice as many Biden supporters as Trump supporters indicated they voted by mail in 2020.

Notably, of mail-in ballots, the rejection rate for primary ballots in 2020 was far higher than in 2016. And yet in the general election, with its record number of mail-in ballots, the rejection rate dropped dramatically. Federal Election Commissioner Ellen Weintraub insists, "There is simply no basis for the conspiracy theory that voting by mail causes fraud." Got that?

Leftists have masterfully used the ChiCom Virus crisis as national justification for their mail-vote ground game.  The Left's biggest benefactor, billionaire socialist George Soros, asserted early on that the ChiCom pandemic would provide a "revolutionary moment": "I would describe it as a revolutionary moment when the range of possibilities is much greater than in normal times. What is inconceivable in normal times becomes not only possible but actually happens. People are disoriented and scared."  Bulk-mail balloting would have been broadly inconceivable way back in 2019 — which seems like an eternity ago. The Democrats were busy then formulating an electoral strategy to guarantee perpetual rule, as they have every year for the past century.

Beyond the loose identification requirements for voters in many states, the authentication of those ballots is done by signature comparison. The Democrat assertion that the vast majority of November's mail-in ballots contain authentic signatures is patently unverifiable.  The notion that 65 million signatures have been authenticated by rooms full of bureaucrats and hourly contract workers who have only the most tangential instruction on signature verification and very limited time to do so is utterly absurd. More absurd is the notion those signatures were sufficiently authenticated by electronic signature scanners.

What should concern every American who believes the integrity of our elections is important is this: If Democrats can use their bulk-mail strategy to get 81,283,098 votes for dullard and senile Joe Biden, who has accomplished next to nothing in his almost five decades in Washington, what can they do with a candidate who has some merits?  To be clear, Democrats are not interested in election integrity. The only way to ensure the integrity of our election process is to require in-person voting, requiring the voter to present proper identification, and perhaps resorting to paper balloting.

The Democrats now have a three-pronged attack plan to control the results of future elections: Expand their bulk-mail "universal voting" strategy, pack the Supreme Court after retaking the Senate, and, ultimately, eliminate the Electoral College, so the voters of a few massive urban centers can rule the nation.

Republicans should and will seek to roll back "universal voting," but that will be met with leftist protests of "voter suppression," much as they have protested affirming the identity of a person to ensure voter eligibility. Meanwhile, next up in the Demos' black bag of election fraud tricks: Voting online and via apps.

Mark Alexander