Received The Age On My Buck

[Lawdwaz 15065]

Today I got the email from the company that was aging my archery buck.  I was pleased to see that they came up with, 6.5 years old. 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 22 by Lawdwaz

[UpStateRedNeck 1868]

I know you posted this before, Lawd, but where did you send em to?  I've got the jaws from my buck and I'm curious.

 

Killing a 6.5 year old buck is an achievement!

[Lawdwaz 15065]

Deerage.com

I know I mentioned before but I was surprised that they wanted a front tooth from the lower jaw, not one of the back molars.  (I sent both front teeth just in case??)

[Biz-R-OWorld 21163]

Nice seems right. What did you put down as your estimate to them- 5.5 or 6.5 ?


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[Biz-R-OWorld 21163]

Nice seems right. What did you put down as your estimate to them- 5.5 or 6.5 ?


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[G-Man 8055]

Molars are unreliable as they wear  and show dentine in a wavy hard to read patter. according to what is being eaten , counting teeth "rings" is by far the best method  incisors are much easier to see the rings in.   The oldest buck and my largest was aged at 8.5 bu ring count.  Molar wear by dec biologist said it was 3.5 until I showed shed to him and said this was from 7 years ago..  he looked dumbfounded and I decided to sent in tooth to be aged ..  congrats on an old master of the woods

 

[Lawdwaz 15065]

16 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

Nice seems right. What did you put down as your estimate to them- 5.5 or 6.5 ?


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I don’t recall but that’s got to be the range. 

[Arcade Hunter 2292]

Thats awesome, Larry  Congrats on a super nice buck!

[mlammerhirt 3163]

I don’t recall but that’s got to be the range. 

Just curious........Why do they ask your guess on the age?

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[phade 5295]

43 minutes ago, mlammerhirt said:

Just curious........Why do they ask your guess on the age?

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To help them market and back into coin flip situations.

Marketing the big one though. Older deer aging is problematic by tooth wear; thus they use that to show that people are off by X years, or X% less accurate.

[Biz-R-OWorld 21163]

To help them market and back into coin flip situations.
Marketing the big one though. Older deer aging is problematic by tooth wear; thus they use that to show that people are off by X years, or X% less accurate.

Yup. And Jerkman put 9.5 on his submission so it’s gonna be whacked out


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[The Jerkman 5896]

Yup. And Jerkman put 9.5 on his submission so it’s gonna be whacked out


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Yep it's at least 9.5 seen his turned down main beam for the past 7 years sporadically

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[The_Real_TCIII 19304]

11 hours ago, G-Man said:

Molars are unreliable as they wear  and show dentine in a wavy hard to read patter. according to what is being eaten , counting teeth "rings" is by far the best method  incisors are much easier to see the rings in.   The oldest buck and my largest was aged at 8.5 bu ring count.  Molar wear by dec biologist said it was 3.5 until I showed shed to him and said this was from 7 years ago..  he looked dumbfounded and I decided to sent in tooth to be aged ..  congrats on an old master of the woods

 

His 1.5 shed was similar to his 8.5 rack?

[G-Man 8055]

36 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

His 1.5 shed was similar to his 8.5 rack?

His 2.5 is an exact match lot less mass and just . Just slightly smaller legnths of points and spread if you llooked at it as a pair . Has a unique wobble in the beam, Neighbor has his  4.5 and 5.5 year shed was still the same just little heavier and wider.  Worse eating deer I ever had. 

 

[The_Real_TCIII 19304]

17 minutes ago, G-Man said:

His 2.5 is an exact match lot less mass and just . Just slightly smaller legnths of points and spread if you llooked at it as a pair . Has a unique wobble in the beam, Neighbor has his  4.5 and 5.5 year shed was still the same just little heavier and wider.  Worse eating deer I ever had. 

 

That neighbor needs to do the right thing and fork those over!

[Lawdwaz 15065]

11 hours ago, phade said:

To help them market and back into coin flip situations.

Marketing the big one though. Older deer aging is problematic by tooth wear; thus they use that to show that people are off by X years, or X% less accurate.

Sadly I agree on this.......really there's no other option, are there?  Unless a guy spends untold hours categorizing 1.5 year old bucks then each year after that matching all them up to the previous years mug shots, I think it's very hard, if not impossible to follow them through their years.  Oh and good luck if a similar looking buck shows up and the "other" gets killed or wanders out of your honey hole for greener pastures!!

 

[phade 5295]

12 hours ago, Lawdwaz said:

Sadly I agree on this.......really there's no other option, are there?  Unless a guy spends untold hours categorizing 1.5 year old bucks then each year after that matching all them up to the previous years mug shots, I think it's very hard, if not impossible to follow them through their years.  Oh and good luck if a similar looking buck shows up and the "other" gets killed or wanders out of your honey hole for greener pastures!!

 

I think it's easier to keep tabs on bucks that make it to three as antler expressions start to become more clear. But, that doesn't work all of the time and isn't a failsafe. I usually try to match up the antlers with some other characteristic, throat patch, the pattern around the muzzle, etc. Sadly as well, we also get so few older class bucks in the mix that they stand out like a sore thumb when you see them or get them on cam.

[dbHunterNY 5234]

To help them market and back into coin flip situations.
Marketing the big one though. Older deer aging is problematic by tooth wear; thus they use that to show that people are off by X years, or X% less accurate.

I agree with this. Deer age is always bastardizing wear and replacement method. We've only used matsons lab in MT. Age estimate using tooth wear and replacement is always done by us but we never give it to them and they never ask. We usually have it nailed or have it age come back as the heavily weighted age between two ages that are 1 year apart.

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[dbHunterNY 5234]

Molars are unreliable as they wear  and show dentine in a wavy hard to read patter. according to what is being eaten , counting teeth "rings" is by far the best method  incisors are much easier to see the rings in.   The oldest buck and my largest was aged at 8.5 bu ring count.  Molar wear by dec biologist said it was 3.5 until I showed shed to him and said this was from 7 years ago..  he looked dumbfounded and I decided to sent in tooth to be aged ..  congrats on an old master of the woods
 

If a guy from DEC said 3.5 yrs old on an 8.5 yr old buck it doesn't matter what it was eating or where in the state it was from he needs to be reassigned to a different job responsibility. Photos with glare or not completely in very good focus can throw someone off but we're usually wondering between 2 ages that are a year apart. We go through way over a hundred jawbones every season though. We work as a panel of three people and ones that we can't nail down or most any bucks closer to maturity we send center two incisors out for CA analysis. Our NDA branch is heavy into co-ops though. Less of them and more individuals doing qdm instead out in WNY I think.

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[dbHunterNY 5234]

On 2/22/2021 at 8:50 AM, The Jerkman said:

Yep it's at least 9.5 seen his turned down main beam for the past 7 years sporadically

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can't believe i missed larry's JAWS thread. i found it though after reading this. your buck is likely not 6.5+.  as much as I could tell i got to at least 4.5 but you should get docked a year for your taxidermist lopping off the whole back molar on each side! can't get to 5.5 if the tooth isn't there to look at. haha 

[Lawdwaz 15065]

1 hour ago, dbHunterNY said:

can't believe i missed larry's JAWS thread. i found it though after reading this. your buck is likely not 6.5+.  as much as I could tell i got to at least 4.5 but you should get docked a year for your taxidermist lopping off the whole back molar on each side! can't get to 5.5 if the tooth isn't there to look at. haha 

Lol......now I have to go back and look at his post with at least one eye open.

 

[The Jerkman 5896]

can't believe i missed larry's JAWS thread. i found it though after reading this. your buck is likely not 6.5+.  as much as I could tell i got to at least 4.5 but you should get docked a year for your taxidermist lopping off the whole back molar on each side! can't get to 5.5 if the tooth isn't there to look at. haha 

Yeah I honestly have no clue I'd say likely 5.5 at the oldest maybe little less. I honestly have no clue. Either way a mature deer for sure. He just made the mistake of making a scrape in front of me

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Yeah I honestly have no clue I'd say likely 5.5 at the oldest maybe little less. I honestly have no clue. Either way a mature deer for sure. He just made the mistake of making a scrape in front of me

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4.5 is a respectable deer for anywhere.

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