Back to Afghanistan

[Northcountryman]

I realize the link is from FOX , but this is BIDENS own defense secretary speaking about the current border situation and it is dire . Watch it and you will see , GC - you’re wrong , straight up. 
 

[Northcountryman]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mayorkas-leaked-audio-border

[Gobbler Chaser]

8 minutes ago, Northcountryman said:

Exactly , and your refuting you’re own previous statement and supporting my contention, except your % is off just a tad. Those immigrants are not the ones that are streaming across The border  daily - by the thousands . As you said , they are obtaining work visas and are legal . Illegal Border Crossings are the highest they’ve been in over 20 yrs , my friend . In comparison to the fiasco going on currently , I would say that Trump had the border sealed tight as a drum. With all due respect , you do not what you’re talking about . Do you have evidence that illegal crossings are ANYWHERE NEAR AS HIGH AS THEY ARE NOW? If so , please show me!! 

Asking me for evidence would be the same as evidence provided by you selling Fox news fantasies about caravans of illegals waltzing across the border. All I know is what I see, and that is people who need people to preform jobs to keep their businesses alive and prosperous. Right now there are businesses in my area that wish they could get help illegal or otherwise. As much as you may not like it we need illegals to do the jobs that need doing. People in my area run farms and construction companies and can't get help. They hire emigrants knowing damn well they're illegal and don't care. It's really time you guys get off the illegals thing and start looking at corporate welfare giants that pay little to no taxes. 

[luberhill]

27 minutes ago, Northcountryman said:

Exactly , and your refuting you’re own previous statement and supporting my contention, except your % is off just a tad. Those immigrants are not the ones that are streaming across The border  daily - by the thousands . As you said , they are obtaining work visas and are legal . Illegal Border Crossings are the highest they’ve been in over 20 yrs , my friend . In comparison to the fiasco going on currently , I would say that Trump had the border sealed tight as a drum. With all due respect , you do not what you’re talking about . Do you have evidence that illegal crossings are ANYWHERE NEAR AS HIGH AS THEY ARE NOW? If so , please show me!! 

He never has any evidence to back up his claims . He gets his info from The View

[luberhill]

9 minutes ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Asking me for evidence would be the same as evidence provided by you selling Fox news fantasies about caravans of illegals waltzing across the border. All I know is what I see, and that is people who need people to preform jobs to keep their businesses alive and prosperous. Right now there are businesses in my area that wish they could get help illegal or otherwise. As much as you may not like it we need illegals to do the jobs that need doing. People in my area run farms and construction companies and can't get help. They hire emigrants knowing damn well they're illegal and don't care. It's really time you guys get off the illegals thing and start looking at corporate welfare giants that pay little to no taxes. 

Perhaps both you and your girl Harris should visit and talk to the border agents !

[Northcountryman]

8 minutes ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Asking me for evidence would be the same as evidence provided by you selling Fox news fantasies about caravans of illegals waltzing across the border. All I know is what I see, and that is people who need people to preform jobs to keep their businesses alive and prosperous. Right now there are businesses in my area that wish they could get help illegal or otherwise. As much as you may not like it we need illegals to do the jobs that need doing. People in my area run farms and construction companies and can't get help. They hire emigrants knowing damn well they're illegal and don't care. It's really time you guys get off the illegals thing and start looking at corporate welfare giants that pay little to no taxes. 

All I can say in response is Watch the link I provided . That is unbelievable that you’re ok with that DURING A PANDEMIC and also , with the terrorism Threat on going. And your worried about corporate welfare instead? I could not disagree more . You’re wrong . Watch the video and you will see . 

[Northcountryman]

6 minutes ago, luberhill said:

Perhaps both you and your girl Harris should visit and talk to the border agents !

Correct and he refuses to watch the vid and take in new information that may refute his worldview that corporate America is the root of all evil  Lol. 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Northcountryman

[Gobbler Chaser]

19 minutes ago, Northcountryman said:

I realize the link is from FOX , but this is BIDENS own defense secretary speaking about the current border situation and it is dire . Watch it and you will see , GC - you’re wrong , straight up. 
 

Unlike others here I don't claim to be right all the time, even if I did have a brother who's a border cop. But one thing I'm sure about is our border is huge, or border is porous and dispite the ravings of Trump spewing nonsense about building walls and stopping illegals from coming in nothing is going to change. We have poor countries to our south, people will get here and they will get here with help from American agricultural corporations or otherwise. They're not bad people dispite the Trump's ravings and stories of rapists, murderers etc. We need them and they will come, and yes they will come and be assisted and work for the very people that tell you that you must hate them. 

[Gobbler Chaser]

19 minutes ago, luberhill said:

Perhaps both you and your girl Harris should visit and talk to the border agents !

Talk to them about what? I don't dispute that illegals are crossing our borders. It happens and will always continue to happen. 

[Northcountryman]

7 minutes ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Talk to them about what? I don't dispute that illegals are crossing our borders. It happens and will always continue to happen. 

You’re contradicting yourself - previously , you said it was a fantasy contrived by FOX news and Trumpers ( basically ) . It is a MAJOR issue and you’re on the wrong side of it , I’m afraid . 

[luberhill]

32 minutes ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Talk to them about what? I don't dispute that illegals are crossing our borders. It happens and will always continue to happen. 

Lol, you flip flop more than Fauci 

[Jeremy K]

2 hours ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

I live in the city. Where did you get that?

You don't speak for me or the guys i know that work manual labor for a living. You got your views from somewhere.

[Jeremy K]

1 hour ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Unlike others here I don't claim to be right all the time, even if I did have a brother who's a border cop. But one thing I'm sure about is our border is huge, or border is porous and dispite the ravings of Trump spewing nonsense about building walls and stopping illegals from coming in nothing is going to change. We have poor countries to our south, people will get here and they will get here with help from American agricultural corporations or otherwise. They're not bad people dispite the Trump's ravings and stories of rapists, murderers etc. We need them and they will come, and yes they will come and be assisted and work for the very people that tell you that you must hate them. 

I dont claim to be always right but heres why I'm right and you're wrong. That's every response from you.

[Grouse]

GC spouts the typical leftist attitude of apathy about the Rule of Law or the consequences of violating it.

They don't care if something is illegal and will try to smear it as immoral to justify breaking the law.  They ignore all the reasons a law was put in place, or try to spin it as a law designed to enrich someone at the expense of others.

Anyone who cannot understand the major societal consequences of unchecked illegal immigration, is not unbiased in their opinions, which were not formed with analytical thought processes, and therefore cannot be open minded in a debate about the facts.  Trying to debate them is an exercise in futility.  These folks are the brainwashed voters who think what they're told to think and vote the way they're told to vote.  They cannot be so inept as to not realize these illegals are being imported to vote for leftists.  Therefore, they not only know it, they support it.  That says one thing.  They hate the America we live in today and want to fundamentally change it into something we will not recognize in the future.  That is why they are dangerous, and that is why I refuse to try to reason with them.

[luberhill]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

GC spouts the typical leftist attitude of apathy about the Rule of Law or the consequences of violating it.

They don't care if something is illegal and will try to smear it as immoral to justify breaking the law.  They ignore all the reasons a law was put in place, or try to spin it as a law designed to enrich someone at the expense of others.

Anyone who cannot understand the major societal consequences of unchecked illegal immigration, is not unbiased in their opinions, which were not formed with analytical thought processes, and therefore cannot be open minded in a debate about the facts.  Trying to debate them is an exercise in futility.  These folks are the brainwashed voters who think what they're told to think and vote the way they're told to vote.  They cannot be so inept as to not realize these illegals are being imported to vote for leftists.  Therefore, they not only know it, they support it.  That says one thing.  They hate the America we live in today and want to fundamentally change it into something we will not recognize in the future.  That is why they are dangerous, and that is why I refuse to try to reason with them.

200 percent correct !

That’s a good reason to just ignore idiotic ignorant responses from people like that !

And that’s exactly what I’m going to do

[Jeremy K]

Sucks that trump worked out a deal to end the war and now like every thing else biden gets his hands on he f@cked it up. For someone so laser focused (LOL) on stopping covid deaths, he sure has no problem sending troops to die over seas,

[Steuben Jerry]

11 hours ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

fantasies about caravans of illegals waltzing across the border.

Are you saying that this is not happening? Despite what we see on TV and what the Border Patrol reports daily? All made up?

[Steuben Jerry]

Have the Afghanis put up any resistance at all? Do the Taliban pick up an air force of their own when the Afghani army flees Kabul and runs to the hills?

[Jeremy K]

Just now, Steuben Jerry said:

Have the Afghanis put up any resistance at all? Do the Taliban pick up an air force of their own when the Afghani army flees Kabul and runs to the hills?

The story i read said their supplies have dwindled to nothing , you would think the biden administration could crate up some supplies and make an air drop . Maybe use the same pallets that obama shipped all that money to iran with

[cachemoney]

1 minute ago, Steuben Jerry said:

Have the Afghanis put up any resistance at all? Do the Taliban pick up an air force of their own when the Afghani army flees Kabul and runs to the hills?

Exactly. 

We spent over 60 billion dollars and over 2300 soldiers lives attempting to "train" people to fight for their own country for them to fall in less than a month. 

Let the Chinese go in next, maybe they wont learn from everyone elses mistake and will have their own quagmire there. 

 

 

[Steuben Jerry]

6 minutes ago, Jeremy K said:

The story i read said their supplies have dwindled to nothing , you would think the biden administration could crate up some supplies and make an air drop . Maybe use the same pallets that obama shipped all that money to iran with

I didn't hear that yet. What a stunning failure by the administration. A month ago Biden said he doesn't see this happening at all. Thursday they thought 30-60 days before Kabul falls. Friday it turned into "maybe by the end of the weekend". And now, low supplies already? Was Biden expecting a picnic or to bolster the Afghanis resistance?

Makes perfect sense with this administration though. 

 

[Jeremy K]

34 minutes ago, Steuben Jerry said:

I didn't hear that yet. What a stunning failure by the administration. A month ago Biden said he doesn't see this happening at all. Thursday they thought 30-60 days before Kabul falls. Friday it turned into "maybe by the end of the weekend". And now, low supplies already? Was Biden expecting a picnic or to bolster the Afghanis resistance?

Makes perfect sense with this administration though. 

 

The guy the article interviewed said he had a sack of potatoes to feed his guys with . Unreal

[cachemoney]

18 minutes ago, Jeremy K said:

The guy the article interviewed said he had a sack of potatoes to feed his guys with . Unreal

We have been there for 20 years “supplying” them with state of the art weapons, military bases, food, ammo, jobs and unfortunately American lives. At some point they were going to have to stand on their own and are failing to do that miserably.
 

If Trump had won nothing would be different. We would still be withdrawing from the country because of treaties agreed on by the Trump administration and the Taliban. 
 

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

 

[Gobbler Chaser]

12 hours ago, Northcountryman said:

You’re contradicting yourself - previously , you said it was a fantasy contrived by FOX news and Trumpers ( basically ) . It is a MAJOR issue and you’re on the wrong side of it , I’m afraid . 

No flip flops here. This has been going on for the last 50 yrs and longer. Trump did little to nothing to change it, other than the occasional emigrant roundup circus shows where 50 or so were symbolically rounded up from time to time. Illegal crossings did drop off because of Covid when our economy briefly crashed but when I umployment drops illegals come. You guys are the ones claiming Trump had everything on the boarder sealed up. Lol

[Gobbler Chaser]

11 hours ago, Jeremy K said:

You don't speak for me or the guys i know that work manual labor for a living. You got your views from somewhere.

I'm a retired diesel mechanic. Think that's not manual labor. Now I cut trees and process firewood that I sell. Spare me the working man song