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he never called your daughter a slut either. He made a generalization about a group. It's like saying "man white people sure can't dance." If you're white and take that as a personal attack, you really shouldn't. Most intelligent folks realize generalizations can be hurtful and wrong, but that they are not personal. A personal attack would be like: "Doewacker you're a real bad dancer". In fact, reading this thread is funny. a dozen or so of you have personally attacked Biz for what he said, and what he said was not about any ONE daughter. So you're all very hypocritical.

You know how much of an APE you sound like Doewacker? This is a civil site, not some hormone enraged playground you try to make it to be. Why don't YOU grow a pair and discuss this in a civil manner? Maybe a name change is in order for you, APEwacker perhaps? Fits some of the Neanderthal behavior you've exhibited.

man everyone grow up,this is taking to much time already.If you look at what "girls" are like now then you can see what BIZ is saying on more than just a small minority of them.I have a 12 year old daughter and she is a good girl.Very proper and polite as are almost every one of her friends,I have also met kids at her school 12-14 year old kids and you can pick out a troubled girl pretty easy.The same also goes with boys,I feel Biz was saying that things have changed from the 80's-90's.Thats my .02 and it isn't even worth that,I don't care to argue with anyone and anyone her can call me whatever names you would like or disagree with me if you want.Its america and its still our right....at least till Andy is Pres.Lets all have a cold drink and a good night and leave this all behind us.

I got my first pics of this guy a couple days ago with my Nikon. He had another buck about the same size with him but I couldn't get any shots of him. Will be getting my trail cams out here this week. It'll be nice to watch this guy grow all summer. Take care Dave

That's 5 minutes from where I work. Ill bring some popcorn.

Ya know..., back in my prime, ol' wooly was quite the ladies man once I formulated a game plan to manipulate the sleazy little sloots! Later on in life I decided to stick to girls that were more my type!

Had I known my original post would have ended up in a 7 page pissing match like this turned out to be I would never have posted this thread. Mods please delete this thread.

You can't be serious. How old are you? You want me to drive upstate to fight people over a thread on a hunting forum? LOL Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

What i dont get is... How this thread has managed to stay open this long.

we all know it takes two to tango, and I don't think anyone is clueless as to what goes on.....just don't think the comments were appropriate for what the the original poster started this topic for.

Jeremy, a lot of these old fogies that are calling others names such as "junior", have double standards and are quite the hypocrite. I'm trying to understand as well, but that seems to be the only explanation. Geno is right, the shit I did as a teen and the virgins that were de-virginized, well, lets just say I know what to look out for with my daughter now. You dads truly are clueless if you think daddy's little girl is innocent and pure.

That's awesome! except I would be constantly checking my phone waiting for a pics lol.

with elementary school!!! My son graduated from 6th grade yesterday and is "moving on up" to 7th grade at our local HS in September. I can't believe how fast the time has gone by. Scares the "bee-jeebies" out of me . . .

Dear Hicks, City Slickers, Inbreds, Downstaters, Toothless Bandits, White Trash, Thugs, Gangsters, Wannabe Gangsters, Old Farts, Wads (whatever that means), Farmer's, Father of the year award winners, Sloot Slammers, Underprivileged, and WIC check recipients, We will reconvene this debate on Monday. Sunday night, if your lucky.

I haven't been THIS entertained since I watched my cross eyed aunt give Uncle an enema... I'm going for more beer and popcorn...

the difference is that the father to the bride already knows whats going or knows what happens on a honey moon and is not naieve to the fact. the people here taking Biz's comment are taking it personally and either are clueless as to what happens in the real world or knows what happens and just are in denile.....

So-o-o-o-o ........ everybody having fun yet?

Ok boys, enough is enough. I just got a PM from Growalot saying that in her motherly opinion this stuff needs to stop. It's time to hold hands and make peace and maybe smoke a peace pipe with some of the stuff that she grows next to her food plots for deer. She asked me to post this video of her singing "Kumbaya", so we can all join in while we all hold hands. OK fellas??

I wish there was a "really really like" button on here lol.

Anyone have an answer to this?? Just yes or no..

The last thing I'll say is there is a time and place for everything. This is obviously not the place to talk about anyone's daughter (or everyone's, or most of everyone's) in a way that can be seen as negative, attacking or hurtful. There are women on this site, everyone here has a mom, sister or daughter, don't disrespect them. Learn from a mistake and grow as a person, no ones perfect. We are all here because we have a few things in common, outside of those things we are all very different people. Learn from each other.

Plenty of guys with no, or little respect for women get along with others, at least to a point. Hopefully you are just going through a phase.

So, you stir the pot with a bunch of idiotic remarks and now want the thread closed because you get called out on being an ass? It doesnt work that way. As far as the subject at hand goes, my take on it is this. There is a big difference between typical teenage sexual experimenting and a "sloot". Ive never met a girl that had a good childhood and was raised by truly good parents that was an actual slut, there was always something pretty majorly wrong along the line. Being a complete hardass doesnt work, just like letting them do whatever they want doesnt work. 99% of the girls I have always known that were raised in a good environment respected themselves enough not to spread for every jackoff that came along. Saying that all or even the majority of "pretty" girls went through a "slut" phase is completely silly, and really reflects upon the type of crowd you hung around. Believe me, I spent ALOT of time hanging in the type of crowd Im talking about, and have been around my fair share of "sluts", but Im not the type that would ever make the kind of ridiculous assumptions about women that some of you guys seem to. Some of you sound like some completely disrespectful people honestly. I think Geno said it pretty well. You have to find a balance and realize that kids are going to do what they are going to do and as a parent you should be prepping them to make a responsible decision. As for the name calling, etc, consider this the warning to knock it off.

Oh ok, because I live near NYC you don't want to hear it from me? Belo is from 8F and 7J and he agrees, as do many other people not from "the city".

Lots of acorns!!!!

If one of your friends was talking about his daughters up and coming wedding would you break into the conversation and say something like "ya know a lot of new brides spend their whole honeymoon getting drilled by their new husbands" Or would you thing that would be a little inappropriate and keep your opinion to yourself ? Grown ups know when to keep their opinions to themselves. Kids don't.

Lots of acorns can make for tough hunting. John

So let me get this straight, you make a staement saying all pretty girls are sluts and then get butt hurt when guys call you names? You city fellas live by a different set of rules thats for sure, I tell you what I'll give you $10 to go to Ant's or any other upset dude from this thread's door and make that same statement and then come back and tell us it worked out for you. One question for you, being that you said your girlfriend is hot, does that then mean that she is or was a slut? Just curious.

Can't believe i'm on your side here. And I'm in agreement with almost everything you've said. I have a son and the wife wants another soon, and I'd be fine with a girl. But I already know I'd be the same father as most of these guys in this thread. A few subtle threats to keep the guys in check, but I've also noticed some girls I've hooked up with that have these "I'm cleaning my guns" over the top fathers tend to be the sluttiest of all. The nicest, cleanest girls have always been those that just have a good open relationship with their dad. The former like to rebel, the later prefer to keep the good relationship. Regardless as a 29 year old I can assure you there were only a small handful of girls leaving high school as virgins. And most of those were pretty homely. I'd say the majority had not only handed in their v-card but put at least 2 notches on their belts. And dad's, I'm not from downstate. I'm talking Wayne county and the University at Buffalo. You have to take our society for what it is. All that being said, if I had a girl, so long as I know she wasn't being taken advantage of I think I'd just prefer not to know and be naive.

This will be made into silage. Looks like something coming up in the bottom, maybe a legume. The mixture will be cut when in the prime protien stages, thus getting a high tonage crop this year and allowing the legume to come on with high yield returns next season. If no legume is in it now, this will be planted to wheat in late summer, to take advantage of the nitrogen, fixed in the soils by the peas. Either way, it's beautiful protien for antler development, doe building, and fawn growth, right now. You should have some nice deer there, come season.

Sparrows are game all year, got a kid itching to shoot? Give him a break barrel .177 and put em to work!

Apoallo, just fighting fire with fire.

I admitted my mistake by saying "all" instead of "the majority". Get over it. I plan to "breed" within the next few years. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

maybe some of these guys were raised by "sloots" and that's all they have to base their opinions of women on, who knows...can't fault them for that.

I like the kind that come in separate ladder sections that hang independently.<br /><br />Didn't think I would , but prefer them to the stick style.<br /><br />Gives you more freedom, you can put them as far apart or close together as you feel comfortable with, rotate around a tree. Avoid branches etc.<br /><br /><br />Sent from my phone.<br /><br />

Got it. My ex wife is the Department chair of Social Studies at POBPHS. Small word!

and that pretty much sums up what caused this topic to take the turn it did.

You ain't seen anything yet ...... ha-ha.

I guess I just don't understand why someone would enter a conversation, in which guys are talking about their teenage daughters, and start saying things like teenage girls are sluts, they get "drilled" at parties and in cars, you never met a girl who was Virgin past the age of 20, when they're sitting down stairs with they boyfriends, you know what they're doing... blah blah...If those are your opinions fine, but they had no place in this conversation. If you had daughters you might get a little twisted hearing someone talk like that. If your intention was to insult people, with your uncalled for comments or if it was just to sound like an 18 year old punk congrats on both.

I still don't understand why my ex's father didn't kill me! he was a Green Beret from Nam too!

This is the best deal I've seen for a brand new climbing stick. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/guide-gear-20-climbing-stick.aspx?a=546743

There are good points made on both sides on this issue. Some girls DO do it sooner than others and some girls do wait for later on in life. Both girls and boys have hormones. Some can keep them in check and others can't which is why we hear about so many teen pregnancies. My wife and I teach our daughter to respect herself and seriously think about whether she wants to give it up to a particular guy while emphasizing the consequences of doing it at a young age including pregnancy, diseases and the like and hope that our values have sunk in enough that she waits a bit longer. The T-shirt and gun toting/displaying will deter some guys from going the extra step but not all. We can only do so much to guide our kids boys and girls alike to make the right choices in life.

The only problem with patience is that we slowly get lulled into a sense of "acceptance". I am definitely getting the impression that almost all of the gun owners have given up and the pressure on legislators is definitely over. I would much more prefer that gun owners remain the loud, impatient, angry people that we were when this attack on the 2nd Amendment first occurred. I kind of think that by the time the next elections come around, everybody will become conditioned to the new law and be primed for accepting the next round of gun laws. In other words it is beginning to look like Andy has gotten away with it and is laughing at us.

My take on it is that its going to be some time before it gets repealed. Court cases take time. Have patience.

I was fortunate enough last night to capture this whole hunt with my camera. This was one fat woodchuck. I bet the whole family will be fat and happy for a few days of this guy... Take care Dave