Larry

Hey guys I wouldn't get my NICKERS in a knot nothing going to happen for the next 5 years and if any one would read what the DEC has said about AR's there are no plans to expand the ar's any farther

here are some pic from 1 of my camera's

i'm going to reprint something for rutstrut what i think of qdm Could QDM be a prime factor in the lower number of deer sightings? We all heard it at the end of deer season on wed sites or in publications from other hunters; I hunted all season and only saw 6 deer all season. Then we start looking for someone or something to blame. We blame the DEC because we think the herd size estimates are wrong, we blame coyotes, to many nuisance permits being given out and even cars. All these are factors and there are more one of the biggest factors is hardly mentioned and that’s “US” myself included. When we all first started to hear about QDM and its management style; we were told if we wanted to see bigger bucks we needed to let small bucks walk, manage does (kill more does) this is not the same as antlerless. We were told the buck to doe ratio was way off and needed to be 1 to 1 this ratio is not correct. The harvesting of doe’s makes scents; to control a population you need to add or subtract females. We were also told that if we killed Does we would see more bucks. I do not think that is necessarily true and I can prove it. When I say doe’s I mean females 1.5 years old and older not antlerless. Because at any time before the deer season ½ to 2/3’s of the antlerless population on a piece of land are fawns. If on your land you have 15 doe’s and 5 bucks (1.5 years and older) and you kill 10 doe’s and no bucks you still only have 5 bucks. What you have done is reduced the number of doe’s by 2/3’s. What you will see are more buck sightings per doe sighting and you will see fewer fawns the next year. Another example is in Allegany County a farmer started a QDM program on his 1700 acres. He went out at night spot lighting to see what kind of deer he had and he saw lots of antlerless deer. For 3 years they took over 40 doe’s a year using DMP’s and DMAP’s. He would let you hunt there but you had to kill doe’s no bucks. They would kill a few big bucks. Then in years 4-6 they started to kill fewer and fewer doe’s by year 6 they killed less than 10 doe’s and no bucks, saw plenty of bucks before the season but killed none. Funny thing started to happen, his neighbors started to kill big bucks. They were not killing off their doe’s so the bucks were moving to where the does are. What I believe he did was not only destroy his doe population he also destroyed the age structure of his doe herd. This is what I believe we are doing under the miss guided concept of killing doe’s gives you more bucks and the myth of the 1 to 1 buck to doe ratio. If anyone can show me how killing doe’s can give you more bucks that’s a trick I would like to see. With a birth rate at 50/50 bucks to doe’s I am not advocating not shooting doe’s; what I am advocating is be careful on how many and where in the age structure you harvest the doe’s from.

Hey NFA-ADK like you I choose to let a lot of deer walk that’s the choice we have made. The difference between you and I is I believe the other guy should have the same right to choose as I do. You and I don’t have the right to tell anyone they can’t choose to shoot a small buck whether we like it or not. Then if we don’t like the choice they made go and try to change the rules so they have choose are way I DON’T CARE WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SHOOTS I ONLY CARE WHAT I SHOT!

i would also go with the 225 leverevolution i also load that bullet in my 444

There is an electric elk fence on the border then a mine field to keep them out. If that doesn’t keep them out they have Bigfoot or are that feet they trapped and transferred from Washington State to eat them

I think you need to look at the deer hunting survey and one more thing on the state survey I can’t find anything on there about 67% in favor of AR’s the highest I can find 57.4% hdrudeer1012.pdf

i just call and it going to be the 15th of Oct.

i should get the reg's tomarrow i have a waterfowl meeting at dec 8hq at 830 it open to the public

If I remember correctly on the state survey the majority of people wanted a choice and not be told what they can shoot and preferred to voluntarily do AR’s.

Just to let you all know I called Letchworth state park today to see when permit applications would be available on line. I was told not till September 15th then I was told the park was NOT GOING TO OPEN FOR HUNTING TILL October 15TH . I’m going to call back on Sunday to confirm this. Just a heads up to those who hunt Letchworth.

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just give me muzzy 100gr

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One guy said it earlier the DEC. has stated AR’s are not necessary for whitetail management. So adjusting DMP’s up or down has nothing do with the AR program. It has to do with the state of the deer population in that WMU. Contrary to what some of you think killing doe’s doesn’t give you more bucks it gives you fewer deer. (notice I said doe’s not antlerless)

are you sure it wasn't a bigfoot lol

goodthing i have 2pp's i hunt 9p

I’m really excited for you guys in the AR area just seen what your chances are for a DMP. Wow hope you all bow hunt and ML hunt. Here are you chances for a DMP. 3A NO DMPS 3C HIGH FOR 1 DMP 3H PP REQ 3J HIGH FOR THE 1ST ONE AND MED FOR 2ND BEST CHANCE TO GET A DMP. 3K PP REQ 4G LOW 4O PP REQ 4P LOW 4R HIGH FOR 1ST ONE 4S HIGH FOR 1ST ONE 4W LOW Good luck and have fun.

thats a line of crap

there's a line of crap

If I remember in a report by the DEC in the ar area they estimated the buck to doe Raito was 2.43 to 1. I assume that that would be does 1.5 years or older. I’ll look to see if I can find that report later today

I draw straight back on target then just settle the pin on the target.

Just to let you know the AR in Letchworth was primarily put in place to increase the doe harvest. The thought being by putting 50% or more of the1.5 year old bucks off limits guys with the option to kill a doe would take one instead of waiting on any buck. It’s also easier to see no antlers then to count points. You do get some benefit that you may see older bucks but most of the food sources are outside of the park. Who knows how many bigger bucks you will see because of the AR being in p ace no one will never know. There have always been a good number of big bucks in the park

Wish I had seen the camera when I was scratching my back but those dam bugs.

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