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Condition, condition, condition, did I say condition? Blew the photos up to large size and I am seeing very poor condition with a lot of rust and pitting and that is on the outside. If the internals and bores are pitted up as bad as the outsides some are pretty much parts guns or beaters which still makes them worth something but not anything I would want to mess with. Al

Earning her keep last week cleaning up after the Blizzard.

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This has already been discussed if you will take the time to open the link Lead in ammunition that was posted you will educate yourself. But for starters briefly there are millions of shotguns whose barrels are not proofed for steel especially older doubles, they can be ruined by firing steel. Read the disclaimer on a box of factory steel shot. Al

So because those methods of killing are not going away it is OK for those animals to die, Running over 350,000 Deer a year is no problem but a couple of Eagles that might possibly eat some lead fragments is a big enough tragedy to ban traditional ammo and screw millions of shooters and hunters. To me killing is killing Period! Keep on deflecting that is what you people are good at. Al

The same way it is OK for those who enjoy, benefit and utilize Vehicles, Agriculture, Wind Turbines and Tall Buildings that kill millions upon millions upon millions of birds, animals and insects, dwarfing the effects traditional lead ammunition had or will ever have on wildlife. As the old saying goes "don't be throwing stones if you live in a glass house!"

To be specific my statement was mainly pertaining to eagles. https://www.google.com/search?q=bald+eagle+population+graph&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS384US384&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxw6uc6dPSAhXFMSYKHR9ODxYQsAQIGw&biw=1280&bih=580&dpr=1.5 Golden Eagle populations appear to have been stable between 1966 and 2015, according to the North American Breeding Bird Survey. Partners in Flight estimates their global breeding populationto be 300,000 with 35% spending some part of the year in the U.S., 15% in Canada, and 3% in Mexico. Golden Eagle, Life History, All About Birds - Cornell Lab of Ornithology

If it was decimating the population to extinction of course not, but that is not the case. The raptor population has grown year after year and it continues to grow by leaps and bounds..

I disagree Teddy Roosevelt would not ban traditional ammo, if you read the books you would know why. Lead is not safe when not used properly, no one disputes that. Traditional lead ammo is completely safe when used properly and precautions are taken when butchering your game. to remove all contaminated meat.

I should stop email notifications for this thread but with you guys pulling these huge red herrings out of your pockets, I think I best keep monitoring it. ==================================================== It is all a matter of perspective Pal, you champion a hand full of eagles that possibly "MAY" get lead poisoning but what about all the other wildlife that is dying by the trillions, the list above is only birds in the US and Canada. That is not even counting the millions upon millions of other animals that are dying every day. It is estimated in deaths by vehicle 41 million squirrels, 26 million cats, 22 million rats, 19 million possums, 15 million coons, 6 million dogs, 350 million deer and ten and tens of millions of assorted small animals and trillions of insects. remember this is just vehicles here in the US. Buildings, farming and wind turbines kill countless others. You are right it is the 21st century and things are sure different, Casualties are unavoidable, "ingestion" of Traditional lead based ammo in the grand scheme of things is but a pin prick when it comes to actual causes of wildlife casualties! So who wants to give up their vehicle, farm raised food and electricity??

Kill all the cats, Humans can go back to living in the stone age and the bird casualty problem will be solved.

If you like the old time hunting rags like Sports Afield, Field and Stream or Outdoor Life you will probably enjoy this online outdoor magazine. It is free with a quick simple registration. Al http://www.americanoutdoorsmanmagazine.com/#!/page_home

Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation Lead Ammunition and Fishing Tackle Bans Summary The use of lead ammunition and lead tackle in hunting and angling is a contentious issue, with the primary concern being the potential effects on wildlife. However, to this date there has been no documented evidence that sportsmen’s use of lead has had significant deleterious impacts on wildlife at the population level in the United States, despite the ongoing use of lead ammunition and fishing tackle since Europeans arrived in North America. Bans on such lead products can cause a decrease in crucial conservation revenue for state fish and wildlife agencies and decreased hunting and angling participation. Therefore, these bans should only be considered at such a time when a state’s respective fish and wildlife management agency finds irrefutable scientific evidence that lead is having a detrimental population-level impact on a particular species. Introduction Recently, legislators, sportsmen, and the outdoor industry have seen an increasing number of bills directed at reducing or eliminating lead ammunition and fishing tackle. These efforts are generally not based on sound science, but rather on the emotional assumption that isolated incidents of animals ingesting harmful levels of lead translates to impacts on entire populations. However, to date, there has been no documented evidence that sportsmen’s use of lead has had significant deleterious impacts on wildlife populations in the United States. It is important to ensure that changes to or prohibitions on the use of lead-based ammunition and fishing tackle are based on sound science and not on unfounded and emotion-driven assumptions. If lead ammunition or fishing tackle is banned, manufacturers will be required to retool, which is a costly and time consuming process, leading to an increase in consumer prices. Additionally, many alternative metals do not perform as well as lead and can be prohibitively expensive for many hunters and anglers. These financial impacts have the potential to create a barrier in participation, which would lead to less sportsmen and women being able to enjoy these time-honored traditions. Should a loss of hunters and anglers occur, state fish and wildlife agencies would also see a reduction in revenue, considering that the majority of this revenue is generated by the American System of Conservation Funding through the sale of sporting licenses and excise taxes collected on sporting goods. A sharp decline in the number of hunters and anglers visiting these states each year could also lead to devastating local economic impacts in many states. This decline will be a significant one, considering in some states over $1 billion dollars per year is generated from hunting and angling alone. History In 1991, due to waterfowl population health concerns, the Federal government officially banned the use of lead shot in waterfowl hunting. This mandate was handed down out of concern for waterfowl ingesting spent lead shot in small, confined wetlands. Yet, there is still no peer-reviewed scientific evidence that lead was causing population-level impacts to America’s migrating waterfowl. In 2013, California became the first state in the nation to pass legislation banning the use of lead ammunition for all hunting purposes. Likewise, the use of lead sinkers in fishing has also become a contentious issue. Although precise estimates are not currently available for the amount of lead that sinkers add into the environment each year, it is estimated that about 4,300 tons of lead sinkers are sold each year in the U.S. Approximately 80% of the fishing weights and tackle sold are lead sinkers weighing a ½ ounce or less. In 2000, New Hampshire became the first state to implement a ban on lead tackle. The primary concern surrounding the use of lead sinkers is the potential effects on waterfowl, like the loon, that ingest whole pebbles (or small lead sinkers) to aid in the digestion of their food. Although there have been documented individual loon deaths linked directly to lead fishing sinkers, there has been no documented evidence that lead fishing sinkers, of any size, have a detrimental impact on local or regional loon populations. In fact, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, loon populations are either stable or are increasing across the nation. In July 2015, the California Department of Toxic Substances Control’s (DTSC), despite protests from California’s angling community and a lack of scientific evidence suggesting that fishing tackle is a source of these threats, has declared fishing tackle to be one of the top seven most significant threats to Californians and their environment in its priority plan. This could create onerous regulations on fishing gear leading to bans on commonly used tackle or drive up the cost of purchasing it exponentially. This in turn would likely reduce angler participation in California and would ironically have a negative impact on revenue directed to the California Department of Fish and Wildlife to support their mission of protecting and enhancing the state’s fish and wildlife resources. Points of Interest Any ban on the use of lead ammunition and/or tackle will likely have a significant negative economic impact on your state’s fish and wildlife agency, as well as its economy. Wildlife management focuses on populations, not individuals. Isolated incidents concerning individuals within wildlife populations do not warrant bans on lead ammunition and/or tackle. The U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) conducted a study of hunters and others that have consumed game, allegedly containing lead shot fragments, to determine whether they have an elevated level of lead in their blood that can be attributed to the ammunition used to harvest the game. Indications of the CDC study released by the North Dakota Department of Health (DOH), which is participating in the study, show none of those tested had unsafe blood lead levels. The readings were far below the level considered elevated for a child (10 micrograms per deciliter); let alone the level for an adult (25 micrograms per deciliter). On August 3, 2010 and March 13, 2012 a petition was submitted to the EPA to ban the production and sale of lead based ammunition and fishing tackle which argued that lead bullets and fishing tackle should be regulated under the Toxic Substances Control Act. Both petitions were denied. On February 21, 2013 a bill titled CA AB 711, was signed into law in California which requires the use of non-lead ammunition for the taking of all wildlife with any firearm by the year 2017. California began implementation of the lead ban in 2015 (Timeline of implementation found here). California introduced Assembly Bill 395 in early 2015, seeking the repeal of the lead ammunition ban in northern and central northern regions of CA, but failed in February of 2016. . Fish and wildlife agencies in Utah and Arizona have adopted voluntary programs which provide hunters with incentives to utilize non-lead ammunition or carry entrails from harvested animals out of the field in areas where California condors have been reintroduced. New York and Vermont have banned the sale of lead fishing weights weighing one half ounce or less. Massachusetts’s Fisheries and Wildlife Board, Maine’s Senate Bill 268 (2013), and New Hampshire’s Bill SB 89 (2013), have all banned the use and sale of jigs and sinkers weighing one ounce or less. Alternative metals (such as tungsten, steel etc.) for small split shots (1/2 ounce or less) are available, but are considerably more expensive and do not offer the same level of performance as lead. In 2015, the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) proposed regulations to the DNR Commission that would ban the use of lead shot for upland game on certain Wildlife Management Areas (WMAs) in the state. In March of 2016, Minnesota introduced two sets of companion bills attempting to prohibit future regulation of lead shot in the pursuit of wildlife.(H 3209/S3387 & H 2844 /S 2558) Moving Forward In an effort to prevent the far reaching implications lead ammunition and tackle bans would have on conservation funding, legislators should explore and support preemptive legislative and/or regulatory mechanisms to ensure changes in the use of lead ammunition and fishing tackle are prohibited unless valid scientific justification is presented. Furthermore, such language should clearly specify that if it is scientifically determined that lead-based ammunition or fishing tackle is having a negative population level impact on a species, either locally or regionally, only reasonable regulations to that area or for that specific species will be implemented. Contact For more information regarding this issue, please contact: Zach Widner (971) 303-1043; [email protected]

My wife is from Redfield and I have been up there many times, the winters are brutal and the snow gets deep and there is no way in Hell I would ever live there. Now that being said as a recreational area especially for snowmobiling it would be tough to beat. Personally I have never deer hunted in that country but the deer hunting is not bad, the good hunters always seem to fill their tags up there. The small game hunting is real good until the deep snows arrive and if you have a good Beagle the Hare hunting is good all winter long just get yourself a good pair of snow shoes. The fishing is great, summer,fall and spring, the Salmon river is virtually in your backyard known by all for it's steelhead and salmon and the reservoir has real good bass fishing. Al

Now, NSSF has obtained the HSUS playbook to ban hunting with traditional ammunition across the country. AB711 was the first key step in HSUS’s campaign to effectively ban all hunting through pursuing a ban on traditional ammunition. The playbook says, “We have intentionally chosen to concentrate first on banning the use of all lead ammunition for hunting in California and pursuing a ban on federal lands owned by the Department of Interior in order to build momentum for the campaign and to spur change within the various ammunition manufacturers and state wildlife agencies.” In its playbook, HSUS also reveals a tactic that should alarm every hunter who has viewed state and federal fish and game agencies as supportive of hunting. Despite the fact that hunter license fees and excise taxes provide the vast majority of funding for these agencies, HSUS brags about infiltrating these agencies and expresses confidence in shaping their policies when it comes to use of traditional ammunition: The HSUS has close working relationships with state wildlife agencies all across the country. Our wildlife department staff and state directors regularly attend state wildlife agency meetings where they have presented to top level agency officials and developed close working relationships with wildlife law enforcement officers in the majority of states. Our state directors attend department and commission meetings and have developed long-lasting relationships. We are regularly contacted to participate in stakeholder meetings and asked about The HSUS position on pending proposals. In fact, many of our staff serves on state wildlife agency appointed boards and commissions. These existing relationships will go a long way in our campaign to end the use of lead ammunition. We will be filing a petition to ban the use of lead ammunition for hunting purposes on federal lands owned by the Department of Interior (DOI)—which comprises about one-fifth of the total land area of the United States. We are in a better position than other groups to spearhead this effort given our strong federal congressional and agency relationships, as well as our years of experience working through these types of reforms. We are currently in discussions with the DOI on furthering this goal, and we have great confidence—given our mainstream approach and our knack for strategy—that we will be able to achieve all or part of this goal. The group claims they are “ushering in a new era of humane management” that will only work to outlaw lead ammunition, not ban hunting. However, in an interview posted this month an HSUS spokeswoman revealed their true agenda: “We are the Humane Society of the United States, so we do not support hunting.” HSUS can’t camouflage its true motive for its Lead-Free campaign. They see it as a means to ultimately bring an end to the hunting tradition. NSSF will remain vigilant in the states and in Washington, DC to expose HSUS as the anti-hunting, radical animal rights organization it is and to fight against traditional ammunition bans and protect America’s hunting tradition. And hunters should remain vigilant to any indication that the fish and game agencies that are funded by hunter dollars have begun taking their orders from the same group that wants to put them out of business entirely.

I own and have read four books authored by Sportsman Teddy Roosevelt on hunting one of his favorite things to do. African Game Trails, Hunting Trips Of A Ranchman, The Wilderness Hunter, Hunting Trips On The Prairie And In The Mountains. My come away from reading those books on what President Roosevelt's response to any kind of a traditional ammo ban period, he sure as hell would have been "Rolling In His Grave" As for it's quick repeal, a big fist pump and a loud "BULLY"!!

He is pretty much in the same mold just has been a little more sneaky about it. Al

Just published this old hunting tale to my board and blog and thought some here may enjoy it. Al A condensed short story from Frank C Hibbon's Book "Hunting American Bears Rod Vance, Cass Goodner and I had been hunting bears the past two days. We had ridden hard the past two days, it is true the country behind the San Ysidro was rough in the extreme. The cliffs and canyons of that part of the mountains dissected and crisscrossed by fault lines that produced a disordered maze of ledges and protruding rocks. Douglas fir and pine protruded from the rough rocks along with pinyon and juniper. Into the rugged breaks and canyons of the San Ysidro the bear came in usually in the fall by the dozens. Of course it often seemed to us that these hardy animals by nature sought the roughest and rockiest terrain they could find. Cass had said on more than one occasion "it all looks level to a bear. On the lower reaches of Semilla Canyon this red rock gorge has some percolating water coming to the surface. Around these spots flourished groves of oak trees with graceful hanging clusters of delicious acorns. Long ago the Spanish rode their horses beneath these same oak trees and called the spot the Bellote or place of acorns. The bears of Jemez country well knew of the Bellotte and it's acorns and this is the stuff black bears used to lay on the winter fat when the time of hibernation was close at hand. On former occasions the bellote groves had been a sure place to circle for a bear track. We had ridden perhaps a half mile and entered the first of the oak trees. With a sudden flapping of wings a hundred band tailed pigeons swept out of the trees, they had been gorging themselves on the acorns. The three of us had grown silent after a half an hour riding, I swung low again to scrape my sombrero and shoulders beneath a low hanging limb weighted by last winter's snow, someone behind me said good god it's the dogs. I suddenly became aware that our hounds had gone crazy. Every dog we had was barking at the top of their lungs. It seemed like the pack was baying us which was preposterous for a well trained pack of hounds such as these. Even our horses were ill at ease in this strange melee. All of a sudden as they had begun the dogs were still. Every single hound stood near the head of my horse with ears elevated to the alert and nose pointing into the wind.Then we heard it too, it was a crash in the oaks off to one side of the trail, the swish of a heavy body of of young trees. The dogs all looked toward the sound and broke out anew, they were off like Beagles with a rabbit in sight. We knew it was no rabbit that made those crashing sounds. We spurred our mounts and hacked through the oaks in a reckless gallop and crashed on following the noise and confusion ahead. The dogs were growling and baying and some of their voices sounded muffled as though they barked with their mouths full of meat. My horse saw it first, as we cleared the last oaks this docile animal shied skittishly and I was thrown and dropped to the very edge of the wash. My mouth and hands full of gravel as I got up to look for my horse. Instead all I saw was the head and forequarters of a gigantic bear My horse with my rifle in the saddle boot had galloped off down the wash. At first all I could see was the bear's head and neck since his lower portions were obscured by the advancing and retreating hounds in front of him. Then all at once the beleaguered animal rose on his hind legs to fight off the dogs from that height. I was on my knees trying to remove my chaps and stared into the open mouthed towering bear beyond, it was a giant bear. Standing spraddle legged on his hind legs the furious animal plied his paws from both sides. The curved claws stuck out beyond his toes and looked as long as tines on a pitchfork. Time and time again the bear fell forward as some dog came close trying to gather an audacious hound between those frightful jaws. The light footed hounds would bounce warily out of his reach, he ground his teeth together and saliva flew in bloody strings from his mouth as he slung his head side to side to meet any onslaught. Cass was yelling over the turmoil "save the dogs" although I could not see how at the moment what we could do about it. Rod Vance came in from the side with his rifle in hand. I saw him raise the weapon once then lower it reluctantly as the dogs surged about their antagonist in a melee of moving tails and teeth. The bear in the middle of that hound pack suddenly bellowed like a bull and charged the dogs and ourselves as well. It was plain to see the bear was far to heavy to climb a tree even if there was a sizable one at hand. So ponderous was this huge animal that he could not even run for it to find refuge in the cliffs and ledges so close to us. None of us could keep our eyes from the flashing teeth and swinging claws, it was a battle to the death that we were witnessing and the only question was how many deaths there would be. Cass was screaming above the turmoil "quick shoot close in" To add emphasis he grabbed Vance's arm and jerked him toward the bear. Then I saw it! It was Poncho the Airedale, This remarkable dog was supposed to be a house pet but he had been on so many hunts with Cass that he undoubtedly considered himself to be the mainstay of the bear pack. Pancho was a peculiar duality he could be as gentle as a newborn kitten or a raging demon of flashing white teeth and hideous growls. It was Poncho with his Airedale temper that precipitated the end. The Airedale somehow worked his way behind the bear and in one sudden leap jumped clear onto the bear's back and seized the animal by the side of his face. In the swirl and surge of the fighting Pancho was an added lump of furiously clawing fur and feet on the very top of the bear's head. The astounded bear ducked as though a bee had stung him unexpectedly in an unprotected place. He raised both paws to his face and brushed furiously at the dog on his head. it would have been funny had we not known that Pancho's death was only inches away. For a second the audacious dog clung to one bear ear chewing that unprotected organ unmercifully and clawing the bear's face. Then one huge paw swung from behind. The hooked claws in unison caught behind Pancho's shoulders and swept him forward as inevitably as doom itself. For an awful second the bear held the Airedale between his paws like a squirrel about to crack a nut, then the huge head bent forward and those frightful jaws opened like the white rimmed mouth of hell. There was a sickening crunching of fiber and flesh and Pancho dropped limply and fell at the bear's feet. At the same instant a deafening blast of noise blotted out all other sounds. Rod Vance was among the dogs with a smoking rifle in his hand. Quickly he levered another shell and fired point blank into the bear's neck. A streak of fur flew out behind as the bullet carried through. The bear looked up surprised at this interruption. His little bear eyes seemed to focus for the first time at the forms of men. The eyes seemed suddenly darker as e stood there with his paws hanging useless in mid air. They then misted over like a hazy cloud drifting before the sun. The great body stood a moment more among the dogs reluctant to give way. Then without a sound the huge animal slumped forward and sagged into a heap of formless fur on the ground. Everyone seemed stunned by the abruptness of the end. Only Cass leaped forward to seize one of the gigantic paws and roll the carcass away from the Airedale. Pancho lay as lifeless as the bear and we carried him gently out and laid him on the oak leaves. Cass put his hand behind the foreleg of this fearless Airedale and we held our breath. Cass nodded slowly, Pancho's heart was still beating. In a few moments the jaws of the Airedale trembled a little and his red tongue out over his bruised lips. his eyes flickered open and he seemed to recognize friends, he licked our hands as we held him. Today Pancho has a patch of light colored skin on the side of his head where the teeth of the big bear had torn the flesh away from his skull. This Airedale is one of those few pioneer spirits to be scalped and yet live to tell about it.

It has nothing to do with age it is about the truth This lead ammo ban is back door gun control, nobody is getting sick from eating animals taken with traditional lead core ammo nor is there any wildlife die off taking place from traditional ammo. Waterfowl are already protected by use of non toxic shot. This subject has already been debated extensively twice and beat to death. Anyone interested in the effects and use of traditional ammunition should read both previous threads in the link below from start to finish if they want the truth. Al

Make the video full screen and stop the action and you will see plainly it is a coyote. Al

What you were looking at was a pair of Coyotes came in to the hunter, he knocked one down but it did not die instantly and was probably yipping. The other Coyote was attacking the dying companion which is typical of canines when a injury occurs, domestic dogs will do the same thing. Al

If the Hounds can push them hard enough they get tired and they will make a stand and it takes a good dog to whip one. Usually they will get under dead fall so any dog going in will face a frontal assault

I am also a fan of the Black and Tan, I have had several I hunted Coon with and one of my best was a Black and Tan. Below is a photo about 30 years ago of Willie my last Black and Tan along with one of my Airedales and a couple of young English Coonhounds on a training session getting them fired up a Coon hide drag. Al

Seems like "CHOCK FULL OF NUTS" is stepping up into the Redneck's role, another fake hunter-sportsman-shooter, his only purpose on Hunting NY board is pot stirring & trolling, I guess that may classify him as a fisherman. Al