Culvercreek hunt club

Gotta love a girl that can load her own bullets and knows how to use them...lol

I told my daugters boy friend that until he can run faster than 4,000 fps he should mind his manners. It took him 3 months to figure out the reference. He started to laugh and was very proud he figued it out. I straightened his smirk out when I asked why he was laughing and explained I wasn't joking...lol

Erie actually opens up this coming weekend. I thinkfor their trophy season

Good article and gives some good advice on determining LOP http://www.gundogsonline.com/Article/You-and-me-and-the-LOP-Length-of-Pull-Page1.htm

Might be worth a run through on it. It sure is nice shooting them in the Lead sled too. Even at 34 gr they sure do make the sled jump even with 65 pounds in it...lol. If it shoots well I am going to have to get a chronon to run them through. you busy tomorrow evening?

Well I made a trip to the range yesterday to test fire 5 of the sabots I loaded up. This was actually trip #2 Trip one results were dismal at best. Trip #1 My fathers shotgun would not hold zero even with the factory ammo, so that cut into my field trials. I noticed on the shots that reloaded sabots had the bottoms punctured by the bullet. (this also happened on about half of the factory ammo)This made me think that the bullet may not be releasing well from the sabot. I would assume this would effect accuracy and based on our up close paper testing there was small tears on one side of every hole. Kind of like the bullet was wobbling. Took five shots and all five had the same results. Trip #2 (yesterday) I rethought the components and substituted the type of gas check and added two hard shot cards under the sabot. I also reduced the powder to 34 grains of Longshot from 39. (Is this the spot I should put in some type of disclaimer about me not being responsible should anyone attempt to reproduce my efforts..lol) When I loaded these rounds I pre-opened the petals of the sabot and stressed the plastic. Loaded the rounds as beofre, compressed the column and roll crimped. The sabots dropped anywheres from 10 to 25 yards in front of the muzzle. All were intact with perfect petal opening and looked like very good rifling engagement. the hole on the paper at 50 yards were much more uniform and crisp (cut cleanly).They still had a pattern out of my buddys 1100 of 4" and that is NOT what I was looking for. But His Winchester Surpremes shot a pattern of 5-1/2 inches. . Conclusion----I have to get my scope mounted on my slug gun...lol. I know what that one is capable of. Might have to buy an H&R single as a test gun. For the next round I think I am going to start varying powder loads since the components seem to be working well. I will get some pics up tomorrow of the sabots. I forgot to take pics of the targets.

those are continuous duty pums and they hold up well. They can also run dry and replacement part are very easy to come by. I think the one I sent you will maintain 45# of line pressure.

just curious on why the pressure tank? I would think you could get away with a plastic food grade 55 gallon barrel (the kind with the removable top for cleaning and such) and an on demand pump like this. http://www.sprayerdepot.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=2088343135&source=Froogle 3 gpm is more water than you would ever use in a camp, I would think.

I am liberal in my eating habits...does that count? LOL

Exactly!!...what year are they talking about...lol

I don't get this whole product. even if it were to be used as a decoy/screen for stalking (which would be stupid and asking for trouble) how far can we shoot turkey? 30-40-50-60? how far really? I personally run at the 30 yard limit but let's use 50 yards. We talk about the idiot behind one of these screens....how about the idiot seeing this thing at 50 yards and not being able to tell it isn't a freaking turkey? There are two lines that should not be in the gene pool.

I understand perfectly what you are saying Eddie. There are a lot of aspects of our sport I don't personally support but I am not against them or the hunters using them.

I have to dig to see if this made the cut and was included but it was the one thing the Unions flipped over in the plan. Any private plan that had better coverage than the outlined one would be taxed on the difference. (Unions employees exempt after their screaming). SO if the COmpany you worked for had really great benefits...you get taxed on the delta. DOes anyone know if this made the cut and was included?

I figured I would set my sites high and see what happens. The federals I shot so well were 1500 fps. The Remingthons were 1900 and they shot well too. (at least that is what they published) "The 12 gauge Core-Lokt Ultra sabot bullet is a .50 caliber, 385 grain HP semi-spitzer. The catalog MV is 1900 fps and the 100 yard velocity is 1648 fps. The ME is given as 3086 ft. lbs. and the remaining energy at 100 yards is 2325 ft. lbs. The trajectory of that load looks like this: +1.8" at 50 yards, +2.4" at 100 yards, and +/- 0" at 150 yards." http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/shotshells/slugs/premier-core-lokt-ultra-bonded-sabot-slugs.aspx This is what I am trying to mimmick and is the bullet i am using.

First loading. components fit well. crimp rolled over very well. It is kind of neat having the clear hulls so you can see the guts.

I have shot the Federals that are around the 1500-1600 range and the Remingtons that are around the 2000 range. both shot well for me. The Federals actually shot better. In all likelyhodd it may end up in the 1600-1800 range to start and then see where the journey takes me. The components all arrived today. I am already kicking myself. I wish I got the 22mm high brass. The clear hulls should be nice so I can actually see how the components are lining up in the load. Can I make a general statement that I can be quoted on....screw the metric system...lol.

pattern a few different loads in the 835 if you arer going to use the 3-1/2" ones. My friend had one and it shot 3" like a dream but the 3-1/2" loads shot in a donut shaped pattern. It was almost like the charge blew the center of the pattern out. weirdest darn thing. tried different loads and chokes but couldn't get it right. wasn't a how stopper because he was only going to try them for turkey anyway.

Look at teh entire length of the West Canada Creek. It is probably the most underrated trout water in NY. If it dumped into Ontario there would not be a better salmon or trout stream.I am not sure what their stocking program is now but I grew up fishing from Trenton Falls down to the Mohawk River in Herkimer. It has every type of trout water you would like to fish. Miles and miles of gravel. One word of caution though. The level is controled by dams and they do let water out. use care and if you are up by trenton falls they used to have a siren......and it did come up and come up fast. Even down towards Herkimer the level can jump pretty fast. Use care if wading to an exposed gravel island....it might not be there in a little while Access to much of it is excellent and there is plenty of fish and room

A++ if you are that low anyway put in a patio of some sort. it can also be utilized to direct moisture and water away from the structure and that is something a deck can not do.

Noodle. I think he is looking at the entire tax burden. I have never done it but I wonder what the actual number is? I can see I pay a quite a few on here......How many of you guys get hit with #21 and 127? Here is a list of possibles. I sure there are even more local ones. 1. Accounts Receivable Tax 2. Accounting and Tax Preparation (cost to taxpayers $300 billion) 3. Accumulated Earnings Tax 4. Accumulation Distribution of Trusts 5. Activity Fee (Dumping Permit Fee) 6 . Air Tax (PA coin-operated vacuums) 7. Aircraft Jet Fuel Tax 8. Aircraft Excise Tax 9 . Alcohol Fuels Tax 10. Alcoholic Beverage Tax 11. Alternative Minimum Tax – Amt 12. Ambulance Services (Air Ambulance Services, SD) 13. Ammunition Tax 14. Amusement Tax (MA, VA, MD) 15. Animal Slaughter Tax (WI, others, Per Animal) 16. Annual Custodial Fees (Ira Accounts) 17. Ballast Water Management Fee (Marine Invasive Species) 18. Biodiesel Fuel Tax 19. Blueberry Tax (Maine) 20. Bribe Taxes (Pay If You Dare) 21. 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Come on Woofer. the Constitution is a "living" document and has to "change" with the changing times. How are they ever going to elevate the poor down trodden to the level of Buffet and the 1%? Everyone should be able to be rich and totally provided for. How it is paid for and sustained should not even be an argument. You guys are just so cold hearted. :-)

With the great job the Feds have done with SOcial Security and the Post Office.....why wouldn't I want them to handle my family's medical needs? What coupld possibly go wrong?

Doc. I am going to roll crook the shells. I bought a special thing a ma jig to do that. The rest of it can pretty much be done without fancy tools or dies for ut I think there are dies out there from RIBS. I have checked a lot of forums including the one you mentioned. There has been some success with foster style but they seem to feel their results are substandard. It is going to be an expensive experiment if it doesn't work. Order gets here on Thursday

I was just think IF what Big Tom asserts is true.....I would think the safety rule of all the other weapons discussed in the classes would be adequate. The people everyone seems to be worried about are around us anyway in gun season and carrying a weapon that is much deadlier.

Correct me if I am wrong but you have to take the hunters safety education course them you have to take the bow course in order to hunt with a bow. (or crossbow te way i phreased it). what special aspect of the crossbow wouldn't be addressed by one of those two courses. It is a weapon and shares traits with both (been beat up here to no end...lol). I am not busting balls just wonderig what is so special about it. the cocking? I never had a lever gun address in my calss to hunt. what else?