Five Seasons

No. All I said is that it would be tough for me to gut a very pregnant doe. It's not principal, it's personal preference. This isn't about "when life begins", I'm obviously not a member of PETA and if the OP is ok with doing what he's doing than that's fine by me. My post is just "how I feel". To make a poor analogy, even abortion clinics have a cutoff date. But to some, life begins at conception...

as the age of hunters goes up though, the more that fall asleep and out of their stands I have some 30 and 35 footers you'd love. One has a platform just wide enough to stand. my legs literally shake sometimes.

that's wild. it'd suck to hunt in a spot where your tag is based on luck of the draw...

why are these threads being bumped?

not sure how much truth there is to this, but someone told me PA is offering to pay for Remingtons moving expenses to relocate. Something like a thousand jobs.

i dont even know what you're saying not sure why everyone has their panties in a bunch. i just said that it would be hard for me to do that. i never called the guy out. please explain what you mean by "principal thing"

i saw a different style last friday at biekerts, it had an AK as the F and K

what am i missing here with the dog thing? Is it legal to trespass if you're looking for your dog, or do people just figure the law will go easier on them if that's what they're doing? If my dog sneaks into your barn, i'm pretty sure I can go in after him...

I actually thing this hurts us. Boycotting selling to government agencies is one thing. But not selling to the citizens is actually what the State wants. It's a self imposed ban and something a lot of the politicians would do if they thought they could. It's big tobacco all over again. They wont ban cigs, but they'll make it damn near non-profitable or economically impossible to feed the habit. Cuomo: "Oh you're not selling your guns and accessories in my state? Great!" Gun Manufacturers "but you're losing sales tax and industry" Cuomo: "ha, this has been happening for years anyhow; have you seen our taxes and employment numbers?"

like i said, it'd be tough for me to pull out a mostly formed fetus (let alone 2 or 3) during a gut out. Especially if it's to "fill a buddies fridge". If it's easy for you, then keep doing what you're doing.

it's still trespassing whether it's posted or not. It amazes me the people I talk to that believe non-posted land is free game.

That's how it was for me when I lived in the dorms. Took me a week to get used to the dorm food, then a week to get used to my mom's home cooking when back home. But as far as beef goes, there are cuts without all the fat like i said, it's more about the argument that without hunting your family would starve. But I'll bite on your math and take it to the extent a butcher/pro would during tax filing time. You want the most business expense deductions right? You have to factor in the cost of the land/lease you accessed to kill the deer, the garage/barn you use to cut up the meat. The utilities used in that garage/barn. The taxes you pay on that piece of property, the equipment you bought and use to do the butchering, the pork, spices, freezer wrap etc used per deer. Cammo, tags and bullets.The freezer you store the meat in and the gas you used to driver around during the season. The truck, quad or tractor you use for transportation mileage is a writeoff. A lot of these actually have depreciation values associated with them as well. Most importantly of all, the hourly rate you'd equate to the time in the woods hunting, the gutting, the dragging and the butchering. I realize that in reality you do not pay per hour to hunt, but if you were a professional that's how it would work out and that's how the butcher and supermarkets decide what to price their meat at. The easy way to do this is take your normal jobs hourly rate and multiply that by hours hunting/butchering to see what you could have made if you were working instead of hunting, and for arguments sakes negate the fact that you might be salary as you could be mowing lawns, plowing driveways or whatever if you weren't hunting. I also realize that you may not have bought your house or land solely for hunting, there is hand me down equipment and tools and friends to help. But just think about it if you were a pro and what'd you would write off on your taxes and your math would be different. You can't just use numbers that work in your favor.

I think you're better off with some big bolders. Problem with that is it prevents you from getting on your land too. I dont think there's anything illegal with fencing in your property, although most towns require a permit to do so. If someone walked into your white picket fence and broke their nose because they were talking on their phone are you liable? I dont think so. I do agree with the intentional booby traps though. That's jail time for sure.

exactly. I've actually never minded paying the fees knowing they go towards conservation. If they went into the general fund that'd be different. Regardless, the less it costs the better I guess. I like when people post stuff like this without offering a solution. Would you like it if he opened up private property to all hunters? you're a little off on that. There's a lot of hunting up north, and even more recreation. My family and I have 2 camps near Raquette lake and a lot of our neighbors are actually out-of-state visitors. The adirondacks as a recreational area generates far more in state revenue than hunters and appeals to more people. Snowmobiles, boats, camp grounds etc

i'm the best with my box. want to get better with the mouth as it's much easier in my opinion.

why is that a brain fart? do you not go out to eat? EVER? Do you not have cream in your coffee? cream cheese on your bagel? the occasional dessert, birthday cake or bacon for breakfast? I can't believe you're fat free all around. And all this is coming from someone whose wife subscribes to clean eating magazine and eats very clean.

ha. they were using a pop can. I remember those days. Figured I scarred them and they wouldn't be back for fear of my telling their parents (which i'd never do because i've been in their shoes) but I guess they weren't geeked enough.

I'm not saying you and others haven't saved money. I'm asking if anyone truly believes their family would go hungry without deer meat. If you're on a computer on an internet forum you're doing well enough to put food on the table. that's all.

i didn't realize jerky and sausage is what constituted meals today. and that people get sick off of beef. what do you order when you go out to eat? My apologies. it's the 21st century. If you can afford hours upon hours in the stand. Than you can afford to work more and earn more to feed your family. You all make me laugh. I eat 2 full deer a year between my wife and I. We like to think it saves on the groceries, but when you add it up, it doesn't . It just happens to be a hobby that puts some extra food on our table. My sister doesn't hunt... but she's not starving. She earns a lot less than I do too. However does she do it?

they replaced the one near my dad's with corn. The turkey population is probably a third if not a quarter of what it was

add up your hunting equipment, tags, slugs, etc and tell me your venison is cheaper than chicken and beef from wegmans. Your "feed my family" argument has no grounds in an AR discussion. There are enough flatheads in this state to feed Nigeria. I doubt you're only seeing small bucks and not any doe.

couldn't have said it better. I recently bought a house that was a little below the quality I would have liked, but it came attached with some good hunting land. When I caught some girls smoking weed on my property it set me off. I spend hard earned money and there reply was "well my house is right there". Buying a new piece of land can be tough as someone earlier mentioned. The previous owner may very well have not cared about people using it, and you have to be the bad guy. Funny thing is that i caught the same girls hiking on my property again with trail cams... guess they didn't get the message and while this second instance was after deer season, I'd rather them not be disturbing the bedding area near my stand. Oh man, I'm such a grump right? and as far as the taxes and cost of the land. That's what leasing is for. Want to ride your horses or quads in the summer when i'm not hunting? Maybe I'd be ok if you paid me some money. Maybe I wouldn't. But the not asking is what gets me. we always bring a small step stool with us. Makes them visible but still out of reach. Your best defense would be a working trail cam high and hidden to record them if it continues or escalates. how much land do you own?

Excellent contribution. You have changed my outlook on life.

if you cant do it legally, then you shouldn't do it. Sorry officer, I know I'm going 100mph, but I really had to pee. The law's the law. I'm not trying to be a dick, but if what you're doing is encroaching on someone else land and they aren't ok with it, then you shouldn't be doing it.

as far as the guys face... he clearly has the wind and snow in his face. splitg, i dont think you have any need to defend yourself against a trespasser. How people on this board think it's ok, for whatever the reason is mind boggling. it's illegal whether you like it or not, and regardless of the reason why.