dbHunterNY

in general the faster and smaller profile bullet will buck the wind better. you're right. in this case though the high BC and weight of the 210gr bullet compared to your smaller profile and faster .25 cal bullet is a wash @ 350+ yards. farther you go out in yardage the more the heavier bullet will maintain velocity and the faster smaller bullet will lose steam. for deer both will work great any day of the week. for bigger stuff though I'd be the bigger chunk of lead.

there's some advise out there to find on the net but here's a couple good link.... https://www.qdma.com/articles/aging-bucks-on-the-hoof

wind drift both the 30-06 w/ 210gr ABLR and 25-06 w/ 120gr spritzer boattail are within 7-8" of wind drift @ 350 yards out with a 10mph crosswind. @ 350 yds the lighter .25-06 bullet will have 70% of the energy the 210gr 30-06 bullet has. the point keeping the original post in mind is bigger game is better served with a heavier harder hitting bullet but won't be in a rifle setup that kicks shoulder like a mule.

very different weight... 210gr versus 150gr.

I think it would definitely work and with a good bullet you'd still get penetration. weight is limited and you're stepping down in caliber. those two things are big factors when it comes to knock down terminal performance without getting something like a VLD that is meant to blow apart and dissipate almost all the energy. those are great for kills and TV footage but I like to eat what I shoot.

not all bullets are created equal.... depends on the setup but would be somewhere around 16-18" probably. not that bad. basic soft point 150gr in 308 would be around 22" in drop out to 350 yards.

Sako Stainless Hunter with 510-570mm (20-22") barrel assuming you want finish of wood. then chambered for 30-06. find some experienced buddy to load you up some 210gr Nosler Accubond LR bullets. it could still reach out there to 350 yards with that high BC and weight to keep it chugging along. around 1970 ft-lbs @ 350 yds.

I've hunted lots of state land before. at most your truck gets towed if you're not parked at a trail head with everyone else. i've knocked on doors and even made donations to volunteer Fire departments to park at their place to access public land from opposite sides of parks from trail heads. 30 min walk and I'm into the most remote and isolated locations of the park most times. deer hunting is great then if you know what you're doing.

only the ground.... i know a guy that rested his gun on the truck bed to take a shot at a deer. shot across the bed of the pickup but the bullet never made it to the deer. made it as far as the opposite side of the the pick up truck bed. didn't account for the high scope mounts and lower bore.

I've got one on cam but on public land. who knows if it's still around but if someone shot it word around town would spread quick. don't post harvests on here usually but will if I shoot him. split G3's to make him a 12 pointer plus maybe some small trash and stickers.

I within reason try to minimize that as we all do. I'm okay with it too. better than mother nature's alternatives of disease, starvation, freezing to death, or more likely getting eaten alive by predators. ...better off letting it run off a little to die in some kind of peace then having it watch something coming and hearing world war III gun fire. many times when I shoot a deer with a bow it doesn't know what happened.

NO! I'm with Doc. It could facilitate poaching and make it impossible for DEC ECOs to charge a poacher. certain handguns are more than capable of making a 200 yard shot. way more range than your average bow. what now we pick and choose pistol type allowed. that's like another safe act just trying to figure out what you can use?? slippery slope in my book. also I can see a deer turning into swiss cheese by someone going after it right away, jumping it, and then trying to shoot it with A "finishing shot". probably happening at night too. even better. bringing a pistol for protection is ok by me but that's different. I understand the desire to put an animal down quicker, but in all honesty if you can finish off the deer with a handgun you can use an arrow or it's taking it's last breath soon.

biggest was right behind my house in the creek bottom it was about a 14" diameter cedar rubbed almost all the way around with deep tine marks even for cedar. my vote is No too.

branches just started up in those areas. I'm sure they got some calendars. maybe someone or I can get some contact info and PM you both.

I lived and hunted out in western NY closer to my college days. it's pretty flat. not Kansas or okieland flat. compared to here it's night and day. Adirondack to my north, Green Moutains of VT to my east, Hudson river valley to my west, and Grafton mountains to the south. family farm is also basically a big "hill" with a 600+' in elevation change from top to bottom. I know what you mean.

same here. hour by hour.

use an O'Tom Tick Twister. works good when they aren't full and don't want to let go. local QDMA branch has been giving them away to help the public deal with the little blood suckers.

i've hunted huge swamps public land swamps with islands of trees and nothing else but cattails in between with wooded edges on the perimeter of the several hundred acres. farm has 4 of them varying in type. one is open cattails between fields, two are brushy swampy holes in a wood lot, and the last is the bigger of the 4. it's littered with rose bushes, low growing scrub trees, apple trees, and evergreen and hardwood timber around it. they can be very tricky. problem is there more like a sanctuary with only a fraction of the acreage along the fringe being truly huntable. you haven't been down in there and probably no one else so its a safe haven for the deer. problem is it's always a low spot. evening hunts when the wind lays down will have thermals drawing your scent down into them, and then down in the middle of them is unpredictable swirling winds. also deer bed all over where there's a dry spot. hard to get down in without deer knowing you're there. deer trails are usually covering every inch of it making a stand location not obvious based on trail intersections and use alone. it's great midday cover though. mornings are great and evenings with certain wind conditions. late season action is amazing as it provides cover from wind and weather. setup a stand accessed from the edge not through a portion of it and working with a certain wind. small patches of timber between it and food sources work well. also swamps usually have inlet creeks feeding them. trails and travel patterns can be more predictable there. late ripening apple trees at more open edges are hot spots for doe groups and thus bucks later in the season as everything else gets picked over first. due to safety of cover and desire for higher sugar content of apples that are more ripe versus not. for big open swamps terrain is flat and open so prevailing wind takes scent from whole swamp to a particular edge. find it and a good tree a pinch point and you've got a buck killing spot. they'll utilize this path to scent check the large "open" area up to several hundred yards quickly and move on. same goes for wooded ridges downwind of swampy holes within timber. a mature buck won't trudge through or down into them if he feels he doesn't need to. could type a lot more but I don't fight rose bushes. too much disturbance to deal with them at this point. spray them early summer maybe but know you'll loose some cover. only other exception is use tractor with rotary mower/brush hog to make paths in desired locations to encourage deer to travel through it where you want. before the season you can go in with weed wacker or hand tool with an edge. just be very aware of wet areas and don't get stuck if using equipment. easier to do than you'd think but equipment saves time. can be used during the season with less disturbance versus walking around if you're an ag area with deer accustomed to equipment. also the intent is really as an observation stand with a gun. great way to harvest a nocturnal hard to kill deer that you know probably uses it. making intersection of paths and then putting a hands off cellular trail camera there is even better.

I've got calendars for those interested who are in the capital region. one calendar gets you a chance to win almost every day of this coming year. ...FYI I have lapped scope rings mounted on a gun that's just waiting for that scope. haha I think MOA windage in the reticle would be awesome.

I've used a climber for a while now. it's a Summit Openshot. 14lbs I think is the weight. problem with climb though is you can't climb a tree with limbs.

perfect. congrats and way to keep at it.

5.5+ ....so you're going to shoot him soon now right? lol

there's a reason I have gear in a scent free sealed bag in the order I pull them out and put them on. gloves are on top. also I due loads of wash with scent elimination detergent to rid the washer of previous detergent smells. same goes for in the shower and my towel. by Thursday I'm showering with scent elimination stuff until Monday. outer layers only see outside air after washing and drying.

they don't work as advertised but they do in a sense work. I had a a hunting partner that only uses cover scent and half ass scent control with me on a permanent built set. mature doe in a family group worked down wind by chance. crossed our wind and blew out past our range. couldn't find us but kept checking wind well out of range to know we were there somewhere. freaked every time her nose went up. next day, wind doing same thing, same stand, but just me. same scent control routine and same doe on same trail. same deer due to physical characteristics and what maybe was a healed injury. she had the stand pegged this time, staring the whole way in. nose kept going in the air but she kept getting closer for more verification and seemed on edge but unsure. got well within range, looked away for a second, and she was heading to my freezer. extremely similar situations have happened on a handful of occasions while out with other less scent conscious hunters. more due to me getting lax with my routine. therefore that's proof enough for me that it or similar efforts to reduce scent works well enough to yield good results. I don't think for a sec that the deer doesn't smell me like the big company's would elude to but it's still good enough.

...more to add. my docs didn't believe in shots. you've got to feel if you're doing something it doesn't like. muscle relaxers I got but was told to use them sparingly to sleep and that it was only to relieve tension in neck from shoulder pain as I had a ton of it. resistance and exercises seem stupid and insufficient at first but trust the PT and results will follow.