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OK, I looked up the rules. Just as I figured. Junior Hunter Mentoring Program Youth Firearms Deer Hunt 14-15 Year Old Hunters can hunt Deer with a Firearm over the 3-day Columbus Day weekendThe Youth Firearms Deer Hunt will occur Columbus Day weekend (October 11-13, 2014) Resident and non-resident Hunting license holders aged 14 or 15 may take 1 deer with a firearm during the youth deer hunt. Junior hunters may use a Deer Management Permit (antlerless-only), Deer Management Assistance Program tag (antlerless-only), or a regular season tag. During the youth deer hunt, junior hunters may use the regular season tag for a deer of either-sex. The youth deer hunt will occur in both the Northern Zone and Southern Zone, except in bowhunting only areas and Suffolk County. During the youth deer hunt, mentors may not carry a firearm or bow to pursue deer.

Also forgot to mention, who tells a kid to try an offhand shot like that on their first deer? The adults coaching this kid were dumbasses in my opinion.

At about 4:07 minutes into the video, wasn't an adult walking with a bow in hand while the kid carried a rifle? Is that legal during the youth hunt? I thought it was illegal to be accompanied by anyone with a gun while bowhunting? This video does NOTHING for the hunter image, that's for sure.

I have collected quite a few books over the years. I do not like the "how to" books. I like real hunting story/history type books. I would recommend anything by Peter Hathaway Capstick. Mostly about African hunting, but his books are very entertaining to say the least. Other entertaining authors in various type hunting/gun related works are, Robert Ruark, Theodore Roosevelt, Col. Charles Askins, Elmer Keith, Thomas McIntyre, James A. Swan, Ted Kerasote just to name a few. Some of these writers are from yesteryear, some are modern. Look the names up and anything they wrote is good.

What's next? You posing in your camo Fruit-of-a-Looms?? I've been getting the feeling that this site has turned into a "girlie men" forum, now I know for sure!!

This is the main reason I have had a hard time warming up to bowhunting over the years. It seems to be all about equipment, and soon it starts coming out of ones ears. The manufacturers try to sucker people into believing that a new bow will be more effective, yet none will kill any better than the other. I'll stick to rifle hunting. My favorite rifle is a 1985 Remington 700, which is practically identical to a Remington 700 sold today, maybe even better. It's simple, it works, it's rugged and NO need to be told that a newer model will be more effective. If you suck as a hunter, equipment means very little anyway.

I think I'd rather have an unwounded bear 15 yards from me, than having to follow up on a wounded one at any distance. Most especially with only a bow in hand.

I clicked on the video thinking I'd see a craftsman building a handmade longbow, recurve or something like that. Putting together a bunch of store bought high-tech parts isn't exactly a bow build from my perspective. I tell you, a bow is supposed to be the more primitive weapon, but I'll consider my scoped bolt-action rifle more primitive and simplistic than these modern compound bows with all these bells and whistles on them! LOL This stuff is nuts, and costs a bloody arm and a leg to boot!!

Extremism in the defense of ________ is no vice. Fill in the blank. Every extremist be they on the left, the right, Islamic, you name it thinks that it's "no vice" to defend their brand of extremism. What else is new??

I can never get over the guys who have wives that don't have issues with their hunting, but are still upset that the wife don't want to hunt with them. I can assure them that it's a blessing. Why the hell get upset over someone not wanting to participate in something you participate in, if she doesn't have a problem with YOU participating in it? You've got the best of both worlds then. There may be a few women on this forum who are hunters, but statistically there are not many women that hunt. In general it is not something most women care to participate in, and I don't see the stats getting too much better on that front. Heck, we can't even get young males interested in it anymore, so why should we expect women to get into hunting?

Just as long as the wife can accept our hunting, that's all that really matters. She need not love it, nor should we be upset if she doesn't want to hunt. I for one am happy that she doesn't hunt. Would only complicate things in my honest opinion. Without her I don't hear any complaining from anyone about anything. If she was with me I'm sure she'd find something to complain about. And my wife isn't even a big complainer about many things at all, but as we all know, it don't take women too long to find something to complain about. LOL Us hunters should also understand, that a wife and family should be put BEFORE hunting. We should expect some understanding from their end, BUT if hunting is always put first and they a distance second, then things surely won't work and they have every right to let us know about it.

Liu is 47 actually. I'm sure he might win another election somewhere down the road, but I don't think it will be this one against Avella. I think if it were so easy to defeat Cuomo by simply being anti-safe act and anti-fracking, Astorino would be spitting at every pro-fracking person or group in the state. The votes he needs to win are from down state, and most of those people could care less about the fracking issue. Thus, in my opinion this issue will NOT make or break the election for him. He needs a MIRACLE to win, and that's about the only thing that will win it for him.

Do you really think that would seal the election for Astorino?? I really think only divine intervention is his only hope. I hear you about Avella being anti-hunting, but if Liu wasn't as corrupt, he might have been able to pull this primary out. This district is VERY Asian, and if he couldn't get enough Asians to vote for him in this primary, I doubt he has a chance running as an independent in the general election. Liu is a perpetual candidate, however, so he probably will want to run anyway he can. Once he loses on election day, he'll surely be running for something again next year.

Unless you live on the land you bought, or live fairly close to it, buying land for the sole purpose of hunting is a HUGE headache. I've said this many times. For the price you pay for it, plus the yearly taxes one can go hunt with an outfitter somewhere each and every year with little to no headaches. For the few weeks a year one would use it for hunting, owning hunting land simply isn't worth the aggravation in my honest opinion.

I've always been of the opinion that food plots are no different than putting out a pile of corn or apples. In my mind it's baiting just like anything else. Most hunters use the excuse that they are helping the deer with food plots, but that's honestly BS. I guess it makes them feel good to think that. If it weren't for the hunting, they'd never spend the time and money to put out food plots. How many non-hunters put out food plots for deer? I haven't heard of any. With all that said, I could care less if people choose to hunt over food plots or bait where legal. Doesn't make much difference in the scheme of things. I surely wouldn't waste my time with either, since I have been successful enough without it, but if plots or bait make people think they will have more success, they can knock themselves out putting the stuff out.

Dom, do you want to eat those, too? Hopefully not raw. LOL

Wow, some of you are even weirder than I first figured! God knows what else some of you guys enjoy??? LOL

I have one that's about 7 years old. Haven't hunted much at all during ML season, and have actually missed a couple of deer with my CVA Wolf, but that was no fault of the guns. I have gotten very nice groups with all the different bullets I've tried shooting thru it. Certainly a nice gun for the low price. If you want a good inexpensive ML, this is it.

1.25 lbs is way too light for a hunting gun. Cold hands, gloves, a little snag of something on the trigger with the safety off and boom it goes. That extra accuracy you are getting at the range from that light trigger don't mean JACK in the field.

Even if Cuomo was voted out by some miracle this November, do you really think anyone in NYS, including a new Governor would overturn the SAFE act? NO way. I've been saying all along that many people upstate underestimate the population numbers downstate. You simply don't have the numbers upstate to make a difference. Downstate no matter who you elect, they won't do a damned thing to overturn this law. The best bet the people of NYS have is the conservative leaning supreme court. And if you want anything done, you need to do it with all deliberate speed, before one of the older conservative judges dies or resigns, and Obama gets to appoint another liberal to the bench which will then make it a liberal court.

Eagle Rider, if you have all the answers about the .243, then why did you even start this thread and ask for peoples opinions about it?? I guess your only motive was to stir things up. I will stick to my guns, and give the novice hunter a 7mm-08, .308, or .270 as their first deer hunting rifle. With the very effective recoil pads made these days, the recoil on any of these calibers could be handled by most anyone. If one is too wimpy to handle them, then they probably shouldn't be hunting to begin with. It's like the hunters who say they throw up when they have to gut a deer. Well, if they can't stomach things like that, maybe hunting isn't for them?? Lots of other hobbies out there that one can pursue instead.

The .223 or .22-250 will kill deer too, should we start recommending them also? I don't think many knowledgable hunters will recommend them knowing the many variables one is confronted with in the field. In my opinion the .243 is where deer calibers start, and I prefer NOT to pick the smallest adequate caliber for my deer hunting. I want something bigger and a little more potent. You don't need magnums but there are plenty of other calibers out there to choose from that will give you MORE than the .243 will. .243 are also often recommended for the young or novice hunter. I think it's one of the worst you could give to a beginner. It's more of a caliber for the experienced shooter. Giving it to a beginner who might not make a perfect shot is asking a little too much of the shooter and the caliber. Just because the gun has lighter recoil, doesn't mean that a novice hunter won't get unglued at the moment of truth. Again, having something more potent at such a moment will give you a little added security in my opinion.

I wonder about that? Yeah, it's killed a lot of deer, but the deer take in the earlier part of the 1900's wasn't nearly what it has been in the last 20-30 years. There weren't nearly as many deer running around back then as there are today. In the last 50 years, you see way more people carrying calibers like the .30-06, .270, .308. At least that has been my observation. In these recent years you've had much, much higher deer takes than you did when the .30-.30 ruled the deer woods. So I would say these other calibers at this point might have caught up to the .30-.30 and/or probably surpassed it in total deer killed.

I know lots of things. LOL

The back part of the bolt on his rifle isn't from a Ruger American or Savage. That looks like a Marlin to me. It also has an accu-type trigger.