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I got a 4S DMP, but won't be able to use it. I have to have a bunch of procedures done that I've been putting off and can't put them off any longer. So late October and through November I may not be able to hunt much. If anyone wants the DMP and is willing to come and pick it up, it's theirs.

After waiting weeks with no reply to emails sent, I called the Director Of Fish And Game, Jacqueline Lendrum. This is what the Governors' Office is telling her to tell people. I was informed of: Any state owned land in the Adirondack Park or Catskill Park that hunting has been allowed on will still allow hunting (for now). Going forward, any new land the state acquires will probably not allow hunting. So as an example: If you hunt the West Canada Lake Wilderness in the ADK Park, you can still hunt there. If you Hunt Slide Mountain in the Catskill Park, you can still hunt there. Just passing this information along for the hunters. Now, I'm going back to finding better things to do than hanging out on this forum.

Hey, I'm just trying to tell people be very careful of the wording. The Adirondacks isn't a reserve or preserve, though some areas are, the entire area is classified as a park. Do what you feel is OK for you. This isn't in NY, but I'll leave this here for the folks who think getting a knock on the door is ridiculous or can't happen here.

Not yet. I have to head out in a couple of weeks to check blinds and most likely repair the ones morons kick down. I'm sure that will make me itch.

I'm not saying anything. The morons who made the laws are saying it. The background check is already in those laws and will go into effect on 9/1/22. None of us like it, but these are the facts, not some opinion I made up. As for enforcement, I think a lot of people are writing this off. I think a lot of it can and will be enforced. No judge or LEO is risking a pension to give gun owners a pass for carrying a firearm where they aren't supposed too. This isn't the SAFE Act where a blind eye can be turned on some things and no one would be the wiser here, people. It's time to wake up and realize they are actually coming for us and our guns. Make no mistake here, the NYSP Commissioner is backing all of this. I used to think this sort of bullshit would never happen. But we now have to have a license to buy a modern sporting rifle, background checks for ammo, and as those laws stand right now they have successfully banned hunting certain areas with firearms. People need to stop underestimating how far the anti's are willing to go. If they're willing flip off a Supreme Court ruling, you think they give a crap about us? Time people pulled their heads out of the sand and took notice that this is happening.

If you own land and allow others to have a firearm on that land in any manner, you have to post signs. So it's private land that the owner allows the public to rent cabins on. So they need to post signs if they will allow guests to have firearms on the land. Just like a restaurant, general store etc. . If you own land and plan to allow others to hunt the land, you need to put up signs stating you allow firearms on your land. The landowner themselves do not have to do any of this if they don't allow others to hunt the land. You have to read the whole thing and pay attention to the wording, it was written like the SAFE Act, so it's not fully stated exactly how all this shit is going to work. They did that purposely, so they have a broader range to drop the gavel on us. It really surprises me how many gun owners aren't paying attention to this in detail. This isn't a parking ticket, these are felony charges if the laws aren't followed.

Will do. I just got an email back from the owner of the place we rent the cabin. He had no clue about any of this. I replied with a link to this mess and simply said I just needed clarification so no one risks felony charges for having a gun where we can't have a gun.

Seeing these new laws affect hunters using rifles and shotguns as well, I'll add this here. I have permission to hunt the bordering private land we hunt in the ADK's. I've only hunted that land a few times, but always call the owner each Summer, who resides in a different part of the state. I made that annual call last night. He will not allow hunting the property this year because he won't be able to make the trek to put up the posted signs and the signs stating firearms are allowed. So even thought I don't hunt it often, I just lost 80 acres of land to hunt on. I have not heard back yet from the place we rent the cabin each fall if they are going to put up signs stating they allow firearms on the premises. I have also not gotten an email back from DEC with any decisive answers abut any of these new laws and how they are going to affect hunting the ADK's. I am pretty glad I went ahead and picked up the ML last year, at least I can use that and not run afoul of these over the top stupid laws. This is a fucking nightmare. Sorry about the language, but that's what this is. There's no way this will be overturned in time for this year's hunting seasons. Or maybe not even next year's seasons.

I did not join, but I did send a donation to GOA to help fight this. Anyone who plans on not complying isn't going to show up at any protest to bring unwanted attention to themselves, so I'm not seeing anything like that going on. What else do we do? I don't have a ton of money to donate to this, because all the crap is making me drop my savings on buying things now before it gets really out of hand. Just to make a rifle compliant, I sold stuff and used money for a trip I had planned. We have three choices: Not comply and face serious charges. Move to a free state. Sit in the middle and eat the crap sandwich, hoping the SCOTUS reverses all of this. The whole any park issue and that phrasing which includes the ADK's is a huge problem. I honestly doubt they even realize the Adirondacks is considered a 'park', because they are clueless about the outdoors and probably meany city and town parks, but with no distinction, we have what we have. I ain't pretty, but I'm too old to go to prison and become part of Big Pappa's harem. I'm buying ammo when I can, but it's getting scarce again. Haven't been to the indoor range in a few weeks because I don't want to waste what ammo I do have. They are just flat out being childish, and a lot more people are seeing it now. The fact is we need a change here in our government because it's plain to see just how far the left is willing to go on these matters. We need a Republican governor and as much as most of us will be voting our part, I don't see it happening. This is NY, and some might not like this, but it's a fact that the whole state is dictated quite literally by downstate. If you love your guns and want to lower taxes, vote right.

I'd have to imagine as soon as this gets seen, it won't take long to be overturned. The question really is how long before it gets seen by the judges, seeing the suits are filed in federal courts. I doubt't it will be before the laws go into effect, but I don't think it will take years. I'm sure many might be OK with a card, but a BC check every time we buy a box of ammo isn't going to fly well. To me, all of this crap is unconstitutional. Even NICS is anti 2A in my opinion, it hasn't been working out so far. None of these stupid laws stop any crimes, contrary to what the left and some on the right think. This would never happen, but if all the hunters who buy their tags from year to year sat out a season, so this state lost a couple million bucks, maybe it would sink in to the morons making these laws up on the fly. I know some will say that won't do any good as they want to ban hunting as well, but think about it, I mean really think about it. If NY lost the money sportsman spend on tags each year that doesn't go back into land conservation anyway, but goes into things like a new football stadium, or gondolas, it might be the slap in the face needed to make them realize who they are pissing off. Also, people need to stop voting these people into office. If you hunt, or even just target shoot, voting Democrat is a vote to restrict those things.

What! The NYSP are being sued right along with Hochul for going along with this.

What grampy said. I got chased around the dock at Lawsons Lake a couple of years ago by one of those. The blotched water snake will put a pucker in the rear, they look far more like a rattlesnake, wife and I had a baby one harassing us over the past weekend fishing.

The reason we will no longer be allowed to buy ammo online is all ammo will require a background check. There have already been lawsuits filed against Hochul and the NYSP over all of this. I'd fathom a guess all of this will be ruled unconstitutional, but you have to wonder how long before the ruling.

I use Atsko on all of my cordura upper hunting boots, it works fine but does have to be redone each season. I have a pair of Muk style boots that are about as comfortable walking long distances as strapping a 2x4 to my foot.

Seroiusly?

My bank told me to be eligible for this, I have to wear skinny jeans and a man bun. So I'm not eligible. I guess I would have gotten a free pack of hair ties with my new card.

No disdain from me. Couldn't give a rats under tail if people submit their bucks. I hope those that do get the recognition they seek.

They won't need to go door to door, they have records of everyone with a legal permit, as I mentioned in another thread. They will know exactly where to go, zero guess work. I really don't think non-compliance on this one is going to end well for those who go that route. I also don't think all those boating accidents are going to fly.

I read that about 1/2 an hour ago. Not looking good for the gun haters. I hope they put the kibosh on all of it. These new federal red flag mandates didn't do anything to stop the dude dressing up like a woman at that 4TH Of July Parade. The ammo checks are probably the stupidest of the stupid in these latest laws, it's just a spiteful act by the most spiteful group of babies in the political world. Heard rumblings of other people going after more of the redundant laws here like the last round of stupidity on semi auto rifles, as well as the SAFE ACT, but I'll believe those when I see something factual, not just posts on a forum or blog, or promises by Republican politicians to spike their vote count then do nothing.

It's not impossible, but unlikely. It took 100 years for it to be overturned the first time.

Nope. Odds are, I most likely wouldn't even post about it on the internet.

They say there isn't a system yet, so I'm thinking it will not be the usual NICS check, but a different system. Either way, it is going to bog everything down. More people buy ammo daily than actual firearms so that system if new will be slower than a turtle crossing a road in superglue. I think they are just going to make everything so damned difficult for people, they give up.

Sorry for the loss of your wife's mother. That's pretty cool. We have Cardinals that come back to our feeders every year, but they don't nest in close by.

Awesome mount! That's a big buck, for sure.

Yes, read the new laws, and it clearly states who this effects, and going forward when you have to recert you're going to have to go through all the bullshit. A bunch of Red Bull drinking liberals sitting around monitoring the web. To think they don't already spy is pretty silly, but now you have to give them permission. So if someone spouts off about hoping someone dies on the web, it will end up as a red flag. No one will know how they plan to make all this happens until they have some sort of system in place, some guy/gal creating algorithms to sniff out certain words and phrases. It won't be that hard, Facebook already has it and so does YouTube. This is just the Democrat's way of keeping tabs on gun owners. All gun owners. With the ammo checks, this will affect everyone from plinkers, target match shooters, and the hunting community. Like I said, there won't be many people willing to deal with the mess to buy ammo while they are setting up a system for background checks and either getting denied or a delay for 30 days to buy a box of bullets. Even if NY doesn't make us pay for that check, it will be tacked onto the price of ammo by shop owners. I know this is already being fought, but by the time it gets to the courts for a ruling, a lot of folks will either have given up their right to own a pistol or become felons by not complying. But don't worry if you decide not to comply, there's always "Bail Reform" and "Clean Slate" laws.