The Expanded Antler Restrictions - Who is excited?

[nyantler]

Your wrong, I'm well aware that its just one by products of a properly managed and age diverse herd. The area's with AR's are not like some of these area's y'all hunt where the soil pukes with nutrients and there are farms all over the place. The AR zones have more hunters, stress, pressure, and other factors that those up further North do not see. I want to see the deer population thrive, and once my kids are old enough they will have something to hunt. Half the thrill is the chance to see a big guy out there, and when they do not exists or are so rare its considered a myth its clear there is a problem with the age structure and things need to change. More meat, bigger deer, bigger antlers, more action in the woods, healthier herd... It works in the zones that have it, it will work in the zones that are getting it and it works in other states that have implemented it. Its it the best way, nope, but its a start.

I agree... it's a start in areas where age structure and buck:doe population are out of whack... but that isn't everywhere... so you can't just willy nilly impose AR's everywhere especially a 3 on a side AR and expect guys to get all excited about it... it seems to be working in some areas, but another form of AR might need to be used to get the proper results in other areas... I wouldn't be particularly excited about a 3 on a side AR in my area... much like Steve B's area... it would do little to protect yearlings. It would however probably do wonders for knocking down the 6-point yearling population that I have where I hunt.

Edited July 12, 2012 by nyantler

[nyantler]

why dance around this. If the brass ring is so easily reached and the benefits so great. Ban all bone hunting for 3 years then make the buck tags on a lottery draw like some of the western states do with their elk. get in an 'any buck' or 'trophy buck' draw. If the importance of this to the herd is so great hunting should take second seat. If you don't draw...shot does...if you cant hunt in an area with permits, stay home.

I'd go for that!

[Meat Hunter]

why dance around this. If the brass ring is so easily reached and the benefits so great. Ban all bone hunting for 3 years then make the buck tags on a lottery draw like some of the western states do with their elk. get in an 'any buck' or 'trophy buck' draw. If the importance of this to the herd is so great hunting should take second seat. If you don't draw...shot does...if you cant hunt in an area with permits, stay home.

Of course that would work but NY hunters would not accept that program with out a lot of work and education and even then....

But we know that right now around 60% of New York hunters support antler restrictions to protect yearling bucks with out any education or work.

So since we have a well supported proven program it’s just a matter of modifying the definition of a legal buck in the hunting regulations; Just a few words.

In the current AR areas 77 to 90% of the hunters find continuing the program acceptable.

So the Majority wants it, those who have it want to continue it and it is proven to work common sense! Sounds like a winner.

TO the squirrel hunter- once your see the big bucks running by while squirrel hunting, I guarantee you will be back out deer hunting!

BTW AS STATED BEFORE THERE WILL BE NO 3 POINT RULE FOR CENTRAL AND WESTERN NY (take note JOE SERVELLO)

[WNYBuckHunter]

well im in 8y so im not excited the whole frigen state should be AR unless your a kid!

these grown men who kill 1 1/2 old deer left and right are just plan pathetic!! nys has great potential to be on the map for big bucks you wont have big bucks like we should if these ignorant un skilled so called hunters keep killing spikes small 6 points 4 pts half racks ect.

O look a deer boom woo i killed a 4 point is embarassing if you ask me its like having a small dink or a ugly wife..........

hunt for trophy class 125" or better Bucks even a 115" (decent 8point ect)

("where I hunt there isnt a 115 ' buck") thats because you kill all the 1 1/2 olds every yr ect!!

this meat hunter bs is bs, you want meat shoot a doe or go to the grocery store..!! to all you small buck killers do your self a favor and step your game up will ya save some Bucks for the upcoming hunters ect!! you watch in 2 yrs the ar areas will have better class bucks guaranteed.. Its a shame that a law has to be put in place for a hunter to make the right decision.. with that said i hope everyone has a succesful safe 2012 deer season!!

Dont shoot a small garbage buck!!!

You know whats pathetic? Guys like you that look down your nose at other hunters shooting whatever deer makes them happy. You should do yourself a favor and get off your high horse and realize your dink just isnt that big and your wife isnt that good lookin.

[pistolp71]

You know whats pathetic? Guys like you that look down your nose at other hunters shooting whatever deer makes them happy. You should do yourself a favor and get off your high horse and realize your dink just isnt that big and your wife isnt that good lookin.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Not the first time he spewed off a ridiculous post.

[Single_shot]

The way I see it is this....I am an out of state property owner,who spends big $ to own property in CNY and pays taxes to the state of NY and as far as I see it,YES,I DO shoot spikes and prongs and doe.....to fill my need for "the thrill of the hunt and to fill my freezer" here in Pa..

I see what AR did to PA....very nice bucks.....if thats what you hunt for.I care about filling the freezer personally and the hunt means alot as well as spending time at camp with "the boys". Why must we always limit it to restrictions on "BIG BUCKS" ...who cares what is on it's head? Oh,you trophy hunters....well then,good for you,and more power to ya. I did my trophy hunting,years ago and can show the mounts.

Like I said,good for YOU. I hunt and shoot what the LAW states I can,period. You don't like it? Oops..my bad. You want to hunt big trophy buck,I have no problem with that,but don't tell me or judge me because I can shoot whatever I want to within the law.

[nyantler]

BTW AS STATED BEFORE THERE WILL BE NO 3 POINT RULE FOR CENTRAL AND WESTERN NY (take note JOE SERVELLO)

Yeah I was quite sure this area wouldn't be on the list. Not that it would have made a difference to me... hence, the reason I wouldn't be excited..

[nyantler]

The way I see it is this....I am an out of state property owner,who spends big $ to own property in CNY and pays taxes to the state of NY and as far as I see it,YES,I DO shoot spikes and prongs and doe.....to fill my need for "the thrill of the hunt and to fill my freezer" here in Pa..

I see what AR did to PA....very nice bucks.....if thats what you hunt for.I care about filling the freezer personally and the hunt means alot as well as spending time at camp with "the boys". Why must we always limit it to restrictions on "BIG BUCKS" ...who cares what is on it's head? Oh,you trophy hunters....well then,good for you,and more power to ya. I did my trophy hunting,years ago and can show the mounts.

Like I said,good for YOU. I hunt and shoot what the LAW states I can,period. You don't like it? Oops..my bad. You want to hunt big trophy buck,I have no problem with that,but don't tell me or judge me because I can shoot whatever I want to within the law.

Another guy that just thinks its about big bucks... it's a shame what QDM has done to a lot of hunters by selling a good management idea as a trophy producing program. Although it got many of you to pay attention, it tainted a very sound management concept. I wish they would go back to promoting it as a herd benefit instead of a hunter benefit, because most of you just aren't getting it.

[Single_shot]

Another guy that just thinks its about big bucks... it's a shame what QDM has done to a lot of hunters by selling a good management idea as a trophy producing program. Although it got many of you to pay attention, it tainted a very sound management concept. I wish they would go back to promoting it as a herd benefit instead of a hunter benefit, because most of you just aren't getting it.

Joe,

I have 1 week to hunt usually during ML season.....put yourself in my shoes.

[Single_shot]

Good management? For who? The ..... bone hunter and the game commission. Get real.It's commerse through and through.

[nyantler]

Joe,

I have 1 week to hunt usually during ML season.....put yourself in my shoes.

So then because you don't have or take the time to hunt... good conservation efforts should be put aside to meet your needs? The idea of good deer management, which includes yearling buck protection.. should not take a back seat to any hunters' (yours or my) ability to get in the woods.

[nyantler]

Good management? For who? The ..... bone hunter and the game commission. Get real.It's commerse through and through.

The fact that new york or hunting shows chooses to make it commercial doesn't change the validity of the concept... if you don't like the commercialism then argue for the concept... a proven concept by the way, whether you like it or not.

[Single_shot]

So then because you don't have or take the time to hunt... good conservation efforts should be put aside to meet your needs? The idea of good deer management, which includes yearling buck protection.. should not take a back seat to any hunters' (yours or my) ability to get in the woods.

Good deer what?

Seems they been doing well for alot of years in NY. But now,some guys want big buck management and want to "push" all the meat hunters into it at the same time. That's the way I see it.Sorry if you look at it a different way. I wont change the way I see it.....as far as taking time to to hunt,dare you judge me? WOW! Who are you ,sir?

All I am stating is,if you are a big buck hunter,good for for you. But don't tell me what it is.

[nyantler]

Good deer what?

Seems they been doing well for alot of years in NY. But now,some guys want big buck management and want to "push" all the meat hunters into it at the same time. That's the way I see it.Sorry if you look at it a different way. I wont change the way I see it.....as far as taking time to to hunt,dare you judge me? WOW! Who are you ,sir?

All I am stating is,if you are a big buck hunter,good for for you. But don't tell me what it is.

No.. I agree it has become something that it was not suppose to be in some respects... as for pushing meat hunters out of the way.. there are more antlerless permits than ever before, so that argument doesn't was with me... I did not judge you by your time to hunt.. I mearly said that conservation efforts are not and never should be dependent on how many days any individual hunter has to hunt... the fact that you hunt 1 week a year is your problem... not conservations.

Edited July 13, 2012 by nyantler

[Single_shot]

No.. I agree it has become something that it was not suppose to be in some respects... as for pushing meat hunters out of the way.. there are more antlerless permits than ever before, so that argument doesn't was with me... I did not judge you by your time to hunt.. I mearly said that conservation efforts are not and never should be dependent on how many days any individual hunter has to hunt... the fact that you hunt 1 week a year is your problem... not conservations.

I care not to argue with you,nor do I wish to take it there.I respect your comment and am just stating my opinion on the matter.

I hunt more than a week but,as such,alot of us do not get to spend the time others do get afield. The AR's don't work for everyone....as seen in other topics.

[Single_shot]

Think about this...you have 1 week to hunt......vacation time. Put meat in the freezer,eh?

[Skillet]

When you start knitting are you going straight for the challenge like a sweater or are you starting with socks first?

Yes, knitting sounds good. Maybe I'll make cute little blaze orange antler cozies for all the 1.5's to protect them from knuckle dragging mouth breathers, like myself.

[nyantler]

Think about this...you have 1 week to hunt......vacation time. Put meat in the freezer,eh?

Not me.. I hunt for a whole different reason and have been for the last 18 years... I haven't shot a small buck in all those years and have never gone without venison. passing on yearling bucks is way harder than getting venison. And I'm not sure why you think I care about what you hunt... I don't... I only care about what I believe to be good conservation efforts and will continue to be in favor of such... I don't worry myself about what others are doing or want to do... my opinions are only based on my thoughts of deer management concepts.

[Skillet]

well im in 8y so im not excited the whole frigen state should be AR unless your a kid!

these grown men who kill 1 1/2 old deer left and right are just plan pathetic!! nys has great potential to be on the map for big bucks you wont have big bucks like we should if these ignorant un skilled so called hunters keep killing spikes small 6 points 4 pts half racks ect.

O look a deer boom woo i killed a 4 point is embarassing if you ask me its like having a small dink or a ugly wife..........

hunt for trophy class 125" or better Bucks even a 115" (decent 8point ect)

("where I hunt there isnt a 115 ' buck") thats because you kill all the 1 1/2 olds every yr ect!!

this meat hunter bs is bs, you want meat shoot a doe or go to the grocery store..!! to all you small buck killers do your self a favor and step your game up will ya save some Bucks for the upcoming hunters ect!! you watch in 2 yrs the ar areas will have better class bucks guaranteed.. Its a shame that a law has to be put in place for a hunter to make the right decision.. with that said i hope everyone has a succesful safe 2012 deer season!!

Dont shoot a small garbage buck!!!

I try to step up my game, but it's hopeless. I lack even the basic skill to consistently kill prenatal fawns. I may start shooting the neighbor's holsteins, supposing they meet minimum horn width restrictions, of course.

[Meat Hunter]

Yeah I was quite sure this area wouldn't be on the list. Not that it would have made a difference to me... hence, the reason I wouldn't be excited..

Oh I think it would make a big difference to you. When everyone stops harvesting the yearlings it is amazing what type of bucks are seen and harvested. That is the thing when we all practice we all benefit. The little land owner, state land hunter and the huge farm with food plots. It really levels the playing field.

[nyantler]

Oh I think it would make a big difference to you. When everyone stops harvesting the yearlings it is amazing what type of bucks are seen and harvested. That is the thing when we all practice we all benefit. The little land owner, state land hunter and the huge farm with food plots. It really levels the playing field.

Thats the kind of thing that I haven't seemed to be able to make some of you understand... I have never had a problem finding and killing big bucks.. the idea of any conservation effort proposed by New York that is just to produce more big bucks for hunters to kill does not interest me in the least... my concern for any AR is strictly from a management point of view...specifically buck age structure and it's benefit to herd management for future hunters... My love of bigger bucks come from the challenge that it gives me to hunt a mature deer, and there will always be at least one somewhere in NY for me to hunt. Good deer management is just smart and makes sense... but get excited about it as it pertains to my personal hunting?... Nah... there are far more important things to me personally than having more big bucks to kill or even hunting for that matter... it's just an enjoyable pastime.

[Fanaddict]

No.. I agree it has become something that it was not suppose to be in some respects... as for pushing meat hunters out of the way.. there are more antlerless permits than ever before, so that argument doesn't was with me... I did not judge you by your time to hunt.. I mearly said that conservation efforts are not and never should be dependent on how many days any individual hunter has to hunt... the fact that you hunt 1 week a year is your problem... not conservations.

In 3K there last year there was only about 800 permit the same the year before. There are guy's out there that haven't got a permit in 3 or 4 years let alone a buck sence the antler restriction came in!! let me tell you the deer heard has not improved any!! From what I've seen it just added more pouching and jack lighting!! If it wasn't for the either sex tag that comes with the bow stamp I would have been meatlees the last 4 years!!

[erussell]

You do not want to kill big bucks!!! Kill the first 3 point that comes along, leave the big bucks for me. Thankyou for your support! AR's do not make big racks ( Im talking B+C racks ) they make older bucks, and more bucks that will survive the season. You may or may not have a bummer season the first yr of implementation but it would only get better after that. My wifes cousins own 100 acreas in PA.The last 5 yrs they have all ( all 6 of them ) harvested 8 points. Two were in the 130's. I asked them what they thought about AR and they said at first they were mad because they werent seeing any results for the first few yrs. Then they said it was like a switch was turned on and there were bucks everywhere.

Edited July 13, 2012 by erussell

[wdswtr]

I know that down to camp a few different Pa guys bought land around the area. The ones I met I had to ask what was the sudden urge for Pa guys to make a move to hunt NY. Response from all of them was the same AR ruined the hunting in PA. Guess what, the last couple years they have not returned that I noticed. And one place is up for sale if that means anything.

[erussell]

Probably couldnt afford the taxes anymore!