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After all of this talk about ARs and how a state wide 3 pt rule might go into effect, I want to get opinions about this AR. First of all I want to say that I think the 3 pt rule makes no sense. It lets the superior 1.5 yr olds, ie 5 pts, 6pts, 7 pts and 8pts get shot.  And lets the spikes to 4 pts live.  This is my take, why not have an AR that you can shoot any buck that has a single point, ie a spike, 3 pt, or anything that has a single point on one side, or the buck has to have 4 pts or better on one side.  This lets the superior 1.5 year olds live and takes out the "junk" bucks.  This also lets all the "meat" hunters shoot the spikes. and lets a lot of 1.5 yr olds live.  I would much rather have this kind of restriction than a 3pt restriction.  Thoughts?

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How does one determine if a 1.5 year old is superior?

Exactly. Yearling antler growth has more to do with nutrition than genetics. A better gauge than points or width would be antler mass at the bases. If they are as big as the eye you are likely looking at a 3 year old or older.

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50% of a buck's genetic material is passed on to him from his mother. Show me what an inferior doe looks like and I'll make sure I shoot them first.

 

AR is not about "growing" trophy buck. It's about permitting them to reach the next age class. A spike or small forkhorn that is given a pass his second hunting season is that much closer to reaching his potential. There are only three factors that determine a buck's potential. Age Nutrition and Genetics. In that order. As it is without AR, we are severely restricting a buck's potential by skewering the most important factor. The best genetics and food won't make B&C buck if you kill them as soon as they have 3" of bone sticking out of their head.

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The doe that is a lot smaller than all the other does are in the inferior ones, so shoot that one. I live on a beef farm I know all about genetics and when a calf is born from a small cow its a small calf. And when a bull calf is big its first year its big its second year just like deer. All I'm saying is if we are going to have a statewide AR I rather protect the bigger 1.5 ye olds not the small ones.

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I was over at a deer processor the other day, and I was looking at some of the bucks that were laying there plus a few that I saw guys walking away with that were caped out, and I was thinking, what the heck is all this AR talk all about? There were quite a few darned nice deer there, and we are not an AR WMU. It seems to me that every year the bucks get bigger and there are more of them without anybody passing any irritating new restrictive laws. Are we looking for a book-buck behind every tree? I'm sorry, but I really can't get all excited about whatever latest and greatest antler control scheme that people are able to concoct. I think it is a whole lot of kicking and screaming over nothing.

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Really...A small doe is the weak doe???   My smallest doe in my herd has been the dam to my biggest bucks when mature. A deer is a deer reguardless of what side of the side of the fence it stands on.  I like the idea of saving the little guys but its also a tough call on parts of the state with few deer. I know where i hunt in an AR area it is getting the job done.

 

I would much rather see a 1 buck a year law. Kill it with what you will.  A much shorter season in the north. And the big one would be 100% deer check in.  All bucks would have to be brought to a DEC ran check station by the killing hunter.  Then when some wives stand in front of a cop, Per Say, and had to explain how,where and when she killed said buck, A few less yearlings would be killed.  All unused tags would have to be sent back.

I think way to many are being killed. If they are alive..They will grow!

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How is it that one guy says he doesn't have the time to study a deer but then other hunters successfully put bino's on deer (or at least look with their eyes) to know exactly what they are shooting at or to be sure it's a good shot? 

 

That reminds me, it's about time to walk around my property to collect all the lost and wounded deer that my "drive crazed brown it's down" neighbors wounded and lost. 

 

Clearly I'm all for guys learning to show a little restraint and I'm certainly for anything that will allow deer to age a bit. 

 

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