send letters for crossbows in NY

[nyantler]

Yeehaw! Bring on the crossbow... I'd hunt with a hammer if they'd let me!!

[gjs4]

They'll be legal for you guys to ruin archery season next year....did anyone know the vp of Horton lives in wNY....met with Hurst a few times too.

(barf)  :'(  At least the mismanagment staff is running out of adveristies...... maybe there is a senator accepting letters for deer season all year, or pen shooting with a 50 cal....

[Culvercreek hunt club]

They'll be legal for you guys to ruin archery season next year....did anyone know the vp of Horton lives in wNY....met with Hurst a few times too.

(barf)  :'(  At least the mismanagment staff is running out of adveristies...... maybe there is a senator accepting letters for deer season all year, or pen shooting with a 50 cal....

Sure sounds like you got up on the wrong side of the bed......"ruin bow season"?...really?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Since when are they going to be legal in bow season in the first place? According to what the bill said, they are only legal in gun season. How would they ruin bow season? Ohio and other states have them during bow season and they dont ruin anything.

[SteveB]

They'll be legal for you guys to ruin archery season next year....did anyone know the vp of Horton lives in wNY....met with Hurst a few times too.

(barf)  :'(  At least the mismanagment staff is running out of adveristies...... maybe there is a senator accepting letters for deer season all year, or pen shooting with a 50 cal....

Sure sounds like you got up on the wrong side of the bed......"ruin bow season"?...really?

I actually think we are seeing his good side

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Since when are they going to be legal in bow season in the first place? According to what the bill said, they are only legal in gun season. How would they ruin bow season? Ohio and other states have them during bow season and they dont ruin anything.

It doesn't WNY. But this same guy who hates gun hunters and the traditions in NYs is always touting the Ohio program for their quality of deer. But he doesn't want their legal implements. I think the only season modification he would be happy with is ONLY him bowhunting all year and no one else...lol. slefish...self serving and (well better skip the last one.)...I think you get my drift

[WNYBuckHunter]

I know gjs a bit, I dont think he hates gun hunters, I bought my Encore off of him, but I know he doesnt like the length of gun season in NY, which I agree with. I dont know exactly what his stance on crossbows is, but you certainly know what mine is lol. Maybe gjs was having a bad day, I dont know.

[gjs4]

Hey guys.

Was having a rough deer hunting moment there due to some neighbors..not to mention had a tiff with the soon to be ex wife.  ???

Nope- theyre not legal now..but a little bird told me some thinsg that were eluded to in my post

WNY- do you hunt Ohio. I do. We are no where near Ohio. Their season runs mid sept to mid feb with basically 2 5 day long gun seasons and one buck only.

So, this year in Ohio I had the pleasure of hunting the same ground as a crossbow guy. Theyre gun hunters in mentality. Maybe not all but the vast majority. Most pick up dust off and head to the woods. The same mentality is there with woodsmanship. I tend to run with the guys who hunt mature bucks in this area (legally- the other group) and all of them bow hunt and study deer year round. Those guys who have their mosbarger 875 bore sighted the friday before gun openers will be trouncing through the woods douched in tinks 69 with their crossbow now. not to say all bow hunters are in otuch with the deer and the woods- but most are. Most (exclusive)gun hunters are not...and that will be a/thee shift with crossbows.

Crossbows are not bows in so many ways. Not only do they not need to be drawn they also offer superior capabilities (read about that pse tac 15) and a superior sight system ..(how many of us have had peep sight issues....thats gone with a scope) and anyone who argues that is just a proponent of crossbows and unrealistic/unknowledgable on how compounds work.

So if we can have ohios season layout (even without their agriculture and mineral presence) I will buy you a crossgun wny.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Sorry to hear about the marriage. I can understand your perspective. I can also see some of the mentality in some of the folks that gun hunt only. It is not everyone. It is a fine line when we start painting with a broad brush. I have stated in this thread that my desire to see the crossbow in bow season is purely selfish. My father can no longer draw a bow and under the current requirements fpr disability he can't use a xbow. I would love to share the early fall woods with him again. I personally would not choose to use one even if they were included in bow. I like the challenge of bow.

I don't know the history of Ohios seasons. But ny has a long standing tradition of gun hunting. I believe any shortning of the gun season will meet with stiff resistance. I have said and still hold...the one buck rule would probably fly and might help aid in the discipline of passing a buck. It is never going to change overnight and with our hunting numbers headed down we can't afford to make a mistake. Any chance must have support and be phased slowly.

[gjs4]

Divorce is the pits.

For the record Culver this is the firts time we've ever agreed. Wow.

The guys who gave me the tidbit on where xbow season headed is related through marriage to the Horton guy....so take it for what its worth.

Bottom line is the xbox season is for license sales since they lost their arse with the lifetime license debacle....we do not need another means to kill deer. A just my opinion- I wouldlove to see the elderly or physically challenged have access to them but not a one size fits all bow season introduction. Local kid lost an arm and leg in the sandbox cant use a bow w a drawlock and was denied crossbow access....that crap and disheartening.

Ohio had guys walking to stands at primetime, obnoxious calling, bait piles (legal there) and just a dumbass approach to trying to kill bucks during prime chase week because the gun hunters know thats the time to be out.... just a joke. A garauntee th enumber of lost deer during archery skyrockets 9though I have no idea how that would/could be tracked).

Somedays I surely do have the "does not play well with others" approach. Lots of personal adversity in my life but i am also very passionate about hunting. Its my only hobby. i have been doing a qdm tdm deal in 8g since 99. Lots of learning and challanges. 15 years ago i shot every deer i could, bow hunted a day or two a season and did nothing for mother nature. Lots of change there and have learned most gun hunters do not share the same values I do or that they should. Much rather help than argue...but its easier to show your teeth than your heart, right?

[nyantler]

I think we should have as many weapon options as there is room. I'll vote for a hammer season if they can squeeze one in somewhere. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

WNY- do you hunt Ohio. I do. We are no where near Ohio. Their season runs mid sept to mid feb with basically 2 5 day long gun seasons and one buck only.

So, this year in Ohio I had the pleasure of hunting the same ground as a crossbow guy. Theyre gun hunters in mentality. Maybe not all but the vast majority. Most pick up dust off and head to the woods. The same mentality is there with woodsmanship. I tend to run with the guys who hunt mature bucks in this area (legally- the other group) and all of them bow hunt and study deer year round. Those guys who have their mosbarger 875 bore sighted the friday before gun openers will be trouncing through the woods douched in tinks 69 with their crossbow now. not to say all bow hunters are in otuch with the deer and the woods- but most are. Most (exclusive)gun hunters are not...and that will be a/thee shift with crossbows.

Crossbows are not bows in so many ways. Not only do they not need to be drawn they also offer superior capabilities (read about that pse tac 15) and a superior sight system ..(how many of us have had peep sight issues....thats gone with a scope) and anyone who argues that is just a proponent of crossbows and unrealistic/unknowledgable on how compounds work.

So if we can have ohios season layout (even without their agriculture and mineral presence) I will buy you a crossgun wny.

gjs, I lived in Ohio before I moved back here in 2000, Clermont/Hamilton counties to be a bit more specific. Lots of great hunting there, good public land and better access to private land than here. That area holds some huge huge deer, and their ag levels are pretty similar to what we have in the finger lakes and western NY region. I didnt take hunting very seriously when I lived in OH, looking back, I wish I would have, but I didnt.

Now, the way I see it is that I am not one to limit people, and would like to see crossbows be put into the category they should be in, with archery equipment. I also see them as the tool that can lead to a shortening of gun season in NY, which would be great for the herd and better the hunting experience for all involved because the deer wont be holed up in a swamp every minute of daylight because they are ducking bullets and running from deer drives for a month. Add in a one buck per year rule and extend bow season and you have a good recipe for great hunting.

BTW, it will be quite a while before I buy a crossbow, I have other things on my list that need to come first, like a new bow, my ML setup for my Encore, another Rem 700 setup in .308 or 30-06 and a new shotgun. If I buy one of those per year, it will be 5 years before I buy a crossbow, maybe 6 because by then it will be time to replace my bow again lol. I do have to admit, I picked up one of the Excaliburs at BPS this past weekend and it sure was nice. 

[burmjohn]

Why buy a new bow when you can have a spiffy xbow to do the job with better range and more accuracy and less of a need to practice? Just saying if it was part of the archery season

[Culvercreek hunt club]

WNY...u forgot one on your list that may change your priorities......diapers...lol

[WNYBuckHunter]

Im not a dust it off and hunt kind of guy. I shoot everything I own more than most guys. Youd be surprised at the number of rounds I put through my Encore between last deer season and this year, my 223 has seen between 500 and 600 rounds and it hasnt seen a predator season yet lol. If I didnt have to replace the string on my bow this year, it would have gotten more of a workout than it did, but I still shot it quite a bit before season. If had a crossbow, you can guarantee that it would get a heck of alot of use before I ever took it into the woods.

[WNYBuckHunter]

WNY...u forgot one on your list that may change your priorities......diapers...lol

I never said those were my only priorities lol, just my new weapon priorities. 

[burmjohn]

Im not a dust it off and hunt kind of guy. I shoot everything I own more than most guys. Youd be surprised at the number of rounds I put through my Encore between last deer season and this year, my 223 has seen between 500 and 600 rounds and it hasnt seen a predator season yet lol. If I didnt have to replace the string on my bow this year, it would have gotten more of a workout than it did, but I still shot it quite a bit before season. If had a crossbow, you can guarantee that it would get a heck of alot of use before I ever took it into the woods.

True... And the same goes for me... I think I almost wore out my string on my bow that's now 2 seasons old, she is fraying even with proper waxing and care. 

The only issue I see is those who bow hunt put more time in to prepare and sight in then those who don't.  This may very well be a misconception and or ignorance on my part that I see / experience.  I just feel that those who might buy a crossbow will not put the same effort forth that those with a bow do.  Not to say that there are not guys that sight in a bow 1 year and don't do crap the next year or the year after for that matter....  Then again, who am I to judge those that don't!  Whatever, it is what it is.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I hear ya, but I know guys that dont put much, if any shooting time in with their bows either. There are more slob bow hunters out there than most of us think there are.

[burmjohn]

Agreed!

[WNYBuckHunter]

And, to top it all off (this will probably start up a whole new argument), Id rather see those guys that dont have time to practice with a vertical bow, pick up a crossbow and have the ability to make an accurate shot on a deer rather than injure a deer due to lack of practice.

[burmjohn]

Oh boy...

[Doc]

And, to top it all off (this will probably start up a whole new argument), Id rather see those guys that dont have time to practice with a vertical bow, pick up a crossbow and have the ability to make an accurate shot on a deer rather than injure a deer due to lack of practice.

Do you have any idea where that line of reasoning could lead us? What are you saying, that because there are hunters that do not take the time to become proficient with their hunting weapon that we should keep adding various weapons into bow season until they finally find one that can be shot without practice? Look if you really believe in that then what is the point of having a bow season at all. Just make guns the only legal deer harvesting implement. That's about as close to a "point and shoot" weapon that you can get.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I am not saying they should add guns into bow season, you are trying to put that twist to what I said. How did I know you would be the first one to spin it into some kind of attempt to bury me? Just for giggles, Ill play along.

What are you saying? That you enjoy seeing deer run through the woods with an arrow hanging out of its back or hindquarter? You like hearing all of these posts and questions about wounded deer? You are against archery equipment being implemented in archery season that can more effectively kill a deer in the hands of someone that lacks the time to properly practice? I dont want to hear an answer that consists of "people, especially bow hunters should practice more if they are going to hunt", because we all know darn well that doesnt always happen and will never happen 100% of the time. Im not saying that 100% of shots on deer with a crossbow would be perfect, but Id be willing to say that the percentage would be higher than with a vertical bow.

[nyantler]

No matter what anyone does there is always going to be those grab it and go kinda hunter... I have always said that if you're complaining that you don't have a lot of time to hunt.. you certainly aren't taking the time to practice. If you have noticed anytime a management topic is put up.. one of the biggest excuses for why it isn't a good idea is because some hunters don't have a lot of time to hunt.. so there ya go. How do you guys feel about proficiency testing before getting a license? Just a question... be gentle.

[wztirem]

No matter what anyone does there is always going to be those grab it and go kinda hunter... I have always said that if you're complaining that you don't have a lot of time to hunt.. you certainly aren't taking the time to practice. If you have noticed anytime a management topic is put up.. one of the biggest excuses for why it isn't a good idea is because some hunters don't have a lot of time to hunt.. so there ya go. How do you guys feel about proficiency testing before getting a license? Just a question... be gentle.

Proficiency testing would undoubtedly eliminate a majority of hunters; to include both and gun hunters and further decrease the number of hunters buying licenses. The DEC would then  have a management problem of an unimaginable magnitude.