Arrow speed VS Arrow momentum

[WNYBuckHunter]

And for some, this is as accurate as they will ever care to be. If one can't afford the care to practice with a heavier arrow, what makes one think they would know exactly how far the target is an know which pin to use?

 

Huh?

 

Im not following you here.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I think I know where he is going. (a flatter shooting arrow leaves less difference in yardage errors). But What he is missing is the process of aiming is a 3 demensional process. yardage, elevation and windage. That inexperience archer he is trying to give more confidence in taking a marginal shot is just as likely if not more to pull or push a shot left or right at increasing distances.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Thats what I thought he was trying to say, I just didnt want to assume anything.

[moog5050]

So what is being suggested is that it is better to use a lighter arrows if you aren't good at judging distances.  That may be true to some extent.  That doesn't make the arrow more accurate because it is lighter.  Rather, it helps to minimize the effect of the archer's error in judging distance.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Im not suggesting that a lighter arrow should be used any time other than for a pure target shooting application. In the hunting world, more weight and correct spine combined with practice and accuracy far outweigh the need for speed or flatter trajectory. JMO.

[BizCT]

I have a legit question, does anybody play the wind when shooting a bow? If I am sitting on the ground with my xbow and about to take a 25 yard shot at a deer, should I be playing the wind at all? If so, at > than what mph?

[moog5050]

I agree WNY.  Biz - my experience is that unless you are hunting in a hurricane, 10-20mph wind has very little effect out to 40.  If you want to play the wind, I suspect the adjust is inside of an inch at those distances with even moderate to heavy wind, at least with my set up.  Not sure how much more lighter arrows will move, but just test it when practicing.

[shawnhu]

I have a legit question, does anybody play the wind when shooting a bow? If I am sitting on the ground with my xbow and about to take a 25 yard shot at a deer, should I be playing the wind at all? If so, at > than what mph?

Biz, I'd be surprised if anyone knows this answer. A lot of talk about windage and momentum, but how many actually think about wind when they get all excited.

How many times have we seen people post about missing deer because they misjudged distance? "I gave it a haircut" or "the arrow hit low".

All of which a faster arrow would have helped in these situations.

In regards to a pulled shot to the left or right, has nothing to do with arrow weight and bow speed. Someone that will pull on a faster arrow will also pull on a heavier one. We're not talking about side to side errors here, just vertical.

[BizCT]

Thanks guys. Yea, I guess it would be a bigger factor out in open fields. When I hunt with my xbow, I am usually in heavy hardwoods, so it probably won't make a difference. Thanks again.

[Doewhacker]

I have a legit question, does anybody play the wind when shooting a bow? If I am sitting on the ground with my xbow and about to take a 25 yard shot at a deer, should I be playing the wind at all? If so, at > than what mph?

 Wouldn't make enough of a difference at 25 yards. In high winds the harder part is holding steady before the shot, wind will push an arrow too. Solution is to not take long shots on super windy days.

[shawnhu]

I have a legit question, does anybody play the wind when shooting a bow? If I am sitting on the ground with my xbow and about to take a 25 yard shot at a deer, should I be playing the wind at all? If so, at > than what mph?

Wouldn't make enough of a difference at 25 yards. In high winds the harder part is holding steady before the shot, wind will push an arrow too. Solution is to not take long shots on super windy days.

So no, you don't know the answer. You're not only an asshat, but a bullshitter.

[Doewhacker]

So no, you don't know the answer. You're not only an asshat, but a bullshitter.

 

 

Want to compare guns to bows again or claim that faster is more accurate?

[josephmrtn]

An arrow with a good sharp tip on it and plenty of practice, that is about as technical as I need to get. Why must we always over complicate everything.

 

LOL thats kinda how i am sits! but for a noob to archery like me articles like this are VERY interesting an give me a lot to ponder

Guns and bows have nothing to do with one another, guns kill force, bows kill by cutting. Again tell me how a faster arrow will be any more accurate than a slower one.

which is also why you will never see a deer fall over when shot w a bow...

 

So what is being suggested is that it is better to use a lighter arrows if you aren't good at judging distances.  That may be true to some extent.  That doesn't make the arrow more accurate because it is lighter.  Rather, it helps to minimize the effect of the archer's error in judging distance.

thats kinda what i got out of it

[shawnhu]

So no, you don't know the answer. You're not only an asshat, but a bullshitter.

Want to compare guns to bows again or claim that faster is more accurate?

I have enough fun comparing you to an ape.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Biz, I'd be surprised if anyone knows this answer. A lot of talk about windage and momentum, but how many actually think about wind when they get all excited.

How many times have we seen people post about missing deer because they misjudged distance? "I gave it a haircut" or "the arrow hit low".

All of which a faster arrow would have helped in these situations.

In regards to a pulled shot to the left or right, has nothing to do with arrow weight and bow speed. Someone that will pull on a faster arrow will also pull on a heavier one. We're not talking about side to side errors here, just vertical.

 

Sorry, but at any distance below 40 yards, an extra 20 or 30 fps is meaningless. I would say 8 out of 10 times people shoot high or low on a deer, its the result of improper form, not bending at the waist. Speed wont cure that. Other times, youll get people aiming too high on the deer's body, and when they squat to load their legs to run, the arrow flies over their back. You should always aim about 1/3 of the way up from the belly line, that way if they drop on you, youll still get lungs.

 

Unless you plan on just shooting targets, dont fall in to the speed hype.

[WNYBuckHunter]

BTW, enough with the name calling and cursing.

[Doewhacker]

Average shot is @20 yards in NY, 320 fps arrow will get there in .18, 300fps  .2   250fps  .24.

 

Good difference in 250-300, not so much in the smaller gap of 300-320. Most importantly, the deer does not care how fast your arrow is.

Edited July 23, 2013 by Doewhacker

[shawnhu]

Biz, I'd be surprised if anyone knows this answer. A lot of talk about windage and momentum, but how many actually think about wind when they get all excited.

How many times have we seen people post about missing deer because they misjudged distance? "I gave it a haircut" or "the arrow hit low".

All of which a faster arrow would have helped in these situations.

In regards to a pulled shot to the left or right, has nothing to do with arrow weight and bow speed. Someone that will pull on a faster arrow will also pull on a heavier one. We're not talking about side to side errors here, just vertical.

Sorry, but at any distance below 40 yards, an extra 20 or 30 fps is meaningless. I would say 8 out of 10 times people shoot high or low on a deer, its the result of improper form, not bending at the waist. Speed wont cure that. Other times, youll get people aiming too high on the deer's body, and when they squat to load their legs to run, the arrow flies over their back. You should always aim about 1/3 of the way up from the belly line, that way if they drop on you, youll still get lungs.

Unless you plan on just shooting targets, dont fall in to the speed hype.

Agree with most of what you said except speed for target. Speed helps in target range estimations. It may not help you, or you may not want to admit that it helps, but there's a reason why its marketed so heavily and why everyone is buying into speed. It's because archery is gaining more popularity, an more new people are entering the scene. Starting out with the easiest setup is the way to go to keep interest high and getting more people involved. If you were a true conservationist you would see the long term value faster arrows brings to the table.

If faster arrows is for target, then I'd imagine the Olympic shooters are shooting feather light arrows, we all know that's not true.

[shawnhu]

BTW, enough with the name calling and cursing.

That was quick. I didn't think the quota was reached yet.

[shawnhu]

Average shot is @20 yards in NY, 320 fps arrow will get there in .18, 300fps .2 250fps .24.

Good difference in 250-300, not so much in the smaller gap of 300-320. Most importantly, the deer does not care how fast your arrow is.

Nor does the ape apparently. Not talking about you of course.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Olympic shooters do not get a wide ranging choice with their arrow weight, they shoot what is required in their class. You are also talking about bows that are slower than the average compound.

 

People are buying into speed because thats how the industry is selling new bows. Speed has nothing to do with being a conservationist.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Nor does the ape apparently. Not talking about you of course.

 

Last warning.

[thphm]

Did you ever think this  arrow speed thing might be from years ago when most people shot Long bows and then Recurve bows and Compound bows were far an few between, The were trying to come up with ways of competing with the Deer Jumping The String. If some of you youngsters know what that is.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Deer Jumping The String. If some of you youngsters know what that is.

 

Yep, thats what people call it when the deer hears the bow shot and drops down to preload its legs for the quick get away.

[Doewhacker]

Jumping the string happens far more often when a deer is already on alert. I don't shoot at deer that are on alert for that reason.