QDMA and CWD

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Keep it up..

 

 

Fenced in pen hunting=NO sport. NOT sportsmen

I guess the ball rolls both ways.  The non sportsmen list can go on forever.  You just like to pick one.  Others have different thoughts than yours!

[Doewhacker]

I guess the ball rolls both ways.  The non sportsmen list can go on forever.  You just like to pick one.  Others have different thoughts than yours!

 

 

Keep believing that.

[phade]

Funny Jack i have not seen you or anyone else put the blame for any of this but onto one place.  You prove what your part is. We prove ours everyday.  You didnt have answers days ago and still dont today You just point fingers, Well now in some areas of the hunting industry the finger will be pointed at you.

 

You are making zero sense. Zero. Didn't have answers to what? Your lunatic ravings? Having discord with you has been compared to a three year old, a hypocrite, a used car salesman, a fluffer, and more on this thread. Oh wait, that was just what I thought, minus the three-year old part.

 

Your self perception doesn't appear to reflect what the masses here believe. When that happens, I usually re-assess my POV.

Edited April 10, 2014 by phade

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Your self perception doesn't appear to reflect what the masses here believe. When that happens, I usually re-assess my POV.

Do you think he could be the first terminal case of Cranial Rectumitus?

[phade]

Do you think he could be the first terminal case of Cranial Rectumitus?

 

Probably happend because he got some bad genes switched around when drinking a glass of milk.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

You are making zero sense. Zero. Didn't have answers to what? Your lunatic ravings? Having discord with you has been compared to a three year old, a hypocrite, a used car salesman, a fluffer, and more on this thread. Oh wait, that was just what I thought, minus the three-year old part.

 

Your self perception doesn't appear to reflect what the masses here believe. When that happens, I usually re-assess my POV.

LOL good one...The Masses...Do you call you 4 posters the masses?  I have had more pm's than that from people that read these words that are interested in raising whitetails.  You look at the number of views of these posts and then count the posters that post>  Same ones every time. Trust me,People read and know the truth. 

Just as this started today...The poster does not believe CWD is anything to worry about yet he has a problem with high fence.

Thats the way it always comes down and now that CWD is out of the picture for many it comes down to choices and what THEY want to do in THEIR life. We will see where it ends i guess     But really you few here have nothing to do with the word masses.

[phade]

LOL good one...The Masses...Do you call you 4 posters the masses?  I have had more pm's than that from people that read these words that are interested in raising whitetails.  You look at the number of views of these posts and then count the posters that post>  Same ones every time. Trust me,People read and know the truth. 

Just as this started today...The poster does not believe CWD is anything to worry about yet he has a problem with high fence.

Thats the way it always comes down and now that CWD is out of the picture for many it comes down to choices and what THEY want to do in THEIR life. We will see where it ends i guess     But really you few here have nothing to do with the word masses.

 

Everyone wants children. Problem is most people shouldn't be breeding.

 

Same thing with your PMs.

[Doewhacker]

There have been more than 4 posters downing you FYI, and just because no one cares about you enough to post their dislike doesn't mean they don't dislike you.

 

You alone have done more to hurt your industry than you will possibly know, so I thank you for that.

[SteveB]

This:

I do not condone any wild animal being raised for profit, or genetic manipulation to bring out more desirable characteristics

 

 

And this are great posts:

 

if you were breeding to keep an endangered animal alive, or for scientific study I really wouldn't have a problem with it. But to profit from wild game and provide a hunt to a "sportsman" who maybe hunts wild game as well does not make you a sportsman or the hunter a sportsman or concervationist either. 

 

 

 

[BizCT]

I guess the ball rolls both ways.  The non sportsmen list can go on forever.  You just like to pick one.  Others have different thoughts than yours!

 

My views are the following and I doubt they will change anytime soon:

 

Fair-chase to me is legally hunting an animal that was never and is not currently enclosed by any fences.  Therefor, I'm OK with the following examples:

• Deer hunting over bait in NJ (or other states, where also legal)
• Bear hunting with dogs or over bait in Maine (or other states, where also legal)
• Hunting Mt. Lions with dogs in Colorado (or other states, where also legal)
• Using electronic calls to hunt coyotes in NY (or other states, where also legal)
• Hunting birds with dogs in NY (or other states, where also legal)

What I am not OK with is any shooting of animals that are penned it. Whether the enclosure is 1,000 acres for deer or 50,000 for african lion, it's all the same to me.

 

Again, this is just my person opinion. I know others disagree and thats fine. But for me personally, I will never hunt an animal that is penned in by a fence.

[burmjohn]

I have no problem what Four does, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to raise deer.  Venison being one them that are sold to restaurants. I know of another popular farm up state, I think its northern whitetails or something.  They are super popular int he deer pee business.  Conservation is a stretch, especially if you are genetically manipulating the deer essentially.  But I dont know what he does with the deer.  As long as he is following the law there is no real problem in my book.  I'm not one for high fence crap, but if someone wants to drop 5G's who cares, its not my money?  What does bother me is the guys that high fence and try to push it off as true hunt.  We had that thing happen last year, until he was busted both by the DEC (illegal tagging of a deer) and others when he tried to get it scored officially.

 

 

 

[G-Man]

Well there is a demand for sex so I guess I should just open a brothel.. yes you make money, thing is your buisness is founded on and based on the media instilled belief that big bucks are the way to go and if you don't have one something is wrong with you. As a breeder you know that big racks are 60% based on a doe, not the buck. So perpetuating the myth of a big buck from controlled environment with top feed is going to improve your herd or prove you a better hunter is absurd.

Continued breeding for antler size will create other problems with in the species, problems that could be possibly and most likely beintroduced into wildl populations. There is no way physically to distinguish between a wild and genetliclly bred whitetail at this point. And therefore great danger exists.. your quote of supply and demand can be used for drugs, sex, or anything that is craved..itdoesn't make it a reason to make it right or legal . I'm sure 50 years from now a deer that was harvested on a game farm will be included in the record books as evidence of where it came from or how and when it was harvested will forgotten. This will further taint what nature actually created .

the same problem exits within the flint knappers world, a stone point is a stone point. But one made today is undistinguishable from one 10,000 years ago. Fakes do end up selling as originals. There is a code among knappers to mark your own points so the cannot be confused with real. I do not see that in the world of whitetails...perhaps if you put a gene in them to make them blue and called them blue tails....

[Four Season Whitetail's]

My views are the following and I doubt they will change anytime soon:

 

Fair-chase to me is legally hunting an animal that was never and is not currently enclosed by any fences.  Therefor, I'm OK with the following examples:

• Deer hunting over bait in NJ (or other states, where also legal)
• Bear hunting with dogs or over bait in Maine (or other states, where also legal)
• Hunting Mt. Lions with dogs in Colorado (or other states, where also legal)
• Using electronic calls to hunt coyotes in NY (or other states, where also legal)
• Hunting birds with dogs in NY (or other states, where also legal)

What I am not OK with is any shooting of animals that are penned it. Whether the enclosure is 1,000 acres for deer or 50,000 for african lion, it's all the same to me.

 

Again, this is just my person opinion. I know others disagree and thats fine. But for me personally, I will never hunt an animal that is penned in by a fence.

Thats your thoughts no doubt. But to that i will say your list in the eyes of thousands of hunters and non hunters gives just a big of a black eye to hunting than high does.   Many call running an animal up a tree with a dog and then you shooting it just as bad as shooting a deer in a small pen.  But you think its ok, so its ok but let someone else think hunting in a 500 acre ranch is ok and you are all up in arms! go figure...

 Thats like the CWD question. Like that can even get an answer. CWD is not good for anybody just because of what it is but it sure is not hurting any herds in any state its in. Get it and you get more deer..Hmm Hows that work i wonder?

[BizCT]

B&C said I can hunt with dogs, but not in playpen.

I'd rather continue to shoot wild whitetails under 100" than shoot a bottlefed 200"-300" deer. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford to shoot a monster penned buck, but I have too much pride to stoop to that level.

If I was going to shoot a farm animal, it would be a big Texas cow for some huge steaks

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Edited April 10, 2014 by Biz-R-OWorld

[Four Season Whitetail's]

B&C said I can hunt with dogs, but not in playpen. I'd rather continue to shoot wild whitetails under 100" than shoot a bottlefed 200"-300" deer. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford to shoot a monster penned buck, but I have too much pride to stoop to that level. If I was going to shoot a farm animal, it would be a big Texas cow for some huge steaks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Wow yes..B&C says you can so thats makes it ethical.  Good One.  Sorry but i ran coon for years behind one of the top dogs in St Lawrence Cty. Turn em loose,Listen to the barks, wait for the bay, Ole Sarge has him treed.  Of you follow to the tree and up comes the 22 and aim between the lights high up in the tree.  Sorry..Loved doing it but was it at all sporting...Ahh alot to be desired!

Many could fight the whole list im sure. but its not against the law so they deal with it.

 

 

Im fortunate enough to go on a cat hunt anywhere in the country but does not mean i like or want to shoot one in a tree or behind a pack of dogs. 

[BizCT]

Raccoon hunting? Lol. I could put a can of tuna in my backyard and sit outside with a spotlight and a pellet gun and get one.

Not much is easier than that, except for shooting a deer that isn't capable of jumping the fence around him

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Edited April 11, 2014 by Biz-R-OWorld

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Raccoon hunting? Lol. I could put a can of tuna in my backyard and sit outside with a spotlight and a pellet gun and get one. Not much is easier than that, except for shooting a deer that isn't capable of jumping the fence around him Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Your really diggin to try and make it sound right. Im sure that cat looking you in the face from up in a tree was the thrill of a lifetime.

Sorry..Just dont see it.

[BizCT]

Mooooooooo

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[dbHunterNY]

Hey new concept... Forget the dogs. You a cat and a tree inside a fence with a single shot rifle. Two bullets for good measure. Any caliber of choice? Any takers? Why not? Lol

[dbHunterNY]

Forgot to mention gates locked behind ya

[WNYBuckHunter]

Welcome to Thunderdome....

[Culvercreek hunt club]

So you in turn think its fine for a group that bad mouths and tries to shut down a business yet they sell the services of that same business that they tell everyone they should stay away from, for money for their club?

But the question is..Just like you read at the top of this post from a long time paying QDMA member...How long is the QDMA going to continue to support the movement of CWD across the countryside by supporting the practice of letting male whitetail deer to grow untill mature before harvested? When if they truly represent what they preach, they would say to harvest every male whitetail deer regardless of age or size!

From the report you posted the non mature does and bucks had a higher incidents of CWD than the mature one did. How does that fly in the face of what you keep posting?

[WNYBuckHunter]

From the report you posted the non mature does and bucks had a higher incidents of CWD than the mature one did. How does that fly in the face of what you keep posting?

 

Let me answer that for him...

 

RANT RAVE RANT RANT RAVE RAVE INCOHERENT BABBLE, DEER FARMS WILL TAKE OVER HUNTING, RABBLE RABBLE RANT RAVE THE QDMA WILL MEET ITS FATE AT MY HANDS BABBLE BABBLE

[Culvercreek hunt club]

From the report you posted the non mature does and bucks had a higher incidents of CWD than the mature one did. How does that fly in the face of what you keep posting?

Let me correct this. Higher increase in CWD.

[wdswtr]

Let me answer that for him...

 

RANT RAVE RANT RANT RAVE RAVE INCOHERENT BABBLE, DEER FARMS WILL TAKE OVER HUNTING, RABBLE RABBLE RANT RAVE THE QDMA WILL MEET ITS FATE AT MY HANDS BABBLE BABBLE

 

LMAO the funny part of your post is Its more understandable than anything I have read in this whole thread.