NYB Email

[NYBuckHunter27]

This is a email i received earlier in the week, those opposed to the new season changes in certain areas of the state should follow the link and let your voice be heard.

 

 

Fellow NYB members,

 

            The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) is in the process  of implementing a plan to increase the antlerless deer harvest in a dozen wildlife management units across the state by allowing the taking of antlerless only (no bucks) during the first fifteen days (October 1^st - 15^th) of the early archery season. If your area is not included yet, it may very well be added in the future. This proposal is much more than an antlerless deer issue (for more information on this topic Click Here).

            This proposal not only will take away hunting opportunities from bowhunters, but it is destined to fail since archers account for only 15% of the annual total deer take. If the DEC truly wants to increase the antlerless deer take why would they choose an implement that has the least impact? 

            The DEC has several times tried to implement an early MZ season however their attempts did not succeed as the hunting community agreed that firearms should not be included in the early bow season.

            Since there is little doubt that this most recent proposal will fail, is the DEC setting the stage to once again attempt to place the muzzleloader in the early archery season?  Except for select urban areas, the DEC has stated many times that “…bowhunting is not the most effective way to reduce the antlerless deer population”.   So what has changed?  Bowhunters still account for only 15% of the total deer take and as such this proposal to utilize the early archery season to increase the antlerless deer harvest will not succeed.

 

NYB is asking that you take action now by “clicking here”.

 

Thank You,

Richard Kirschner

NYB President

 

 

[sweet old bill]

sent in this date, it does seem that if they the DEC can screw the archer they will. I have been a gun and bow hunter my total life ( 74 years young now ) I sure love the early start now of Oct 1, I have bad lungs COPD, and legs are about gone, so the early start in Oct give me the ability to hunt, when it gets cold below 40's, I just no longer can be out there, so the gun season is no longer for me. The bow season I want the chance to take a buck or doe. In my area, after this winter I am seeing just about a few doe's on my pasture areas. I would like the DEC to start being for the hunter and no the insurance agents or farmer that would love all deer gone. I sure wish the DEC would try to have a program were a hunter could get the ability to hunt local farms if there were reported crop damage, the DEC could pay for some of the amount of damage if damage is due to deer. West Va had a program like that, the farmers were listed by County area and each farmer could say how many could hunt per day and how many days he allowed hunting. A hunter would pay a extra $5 to a  damage fund for the DEC to use. The program was a great one that I utilized when I lived down south. 

[Doc]

Messages sent in addition to my own letters.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Yup, I sure had no problem doing this!  Someday they will get it right. I just dont understand how they dont take a page or two out of a states playbook that has great deer, great deer management and everybody involved is happy?            

 

There are many they could copy thats for sure!

[Bow Addict]

Done

[LetEmGrow]

Yup, I sure had no problem doing this!  Someday they will get it right. I just dont understand how they dont take a page or two out of a states playbook that has great deer, great deer management and everybody involved is happy?            

 

There are many they could copy thats for sure!

 

Yep.

 

Run bow season from September 20th until the end of December.

 

Have your early MLOADER (antlerless only) and your youth season (regular rules).

 

Allow Crossbows (many people who buy them come to hate them anyway).

 

One buck per year.

 

7 day firearm season..

 

Basically just like Ohio

[Doc]

So is there anyone besides NYB that is taking a stand on this, or are we all alone .... again?

[BizCT]

NYB will be dissolved by 2020.

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[Four Season Whitetail's]

NYB will be dissolved by 2020.

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I find this hard to believe but with New Yorkers always looking out for number one and not joining the group fight...I would not doubt it!

[Doc]

NYB will be dissolved by 2020.

Yes this was the stated goal of a coalition of animal rights organizations. They were the first to put a target on bowhunting. It seems that since then they have gotten a lot of help from other hunters as well. However, the fact still remains that here they are, once again the only hunting organization that is publicly trying to do something about this misguided DEC activity.

[NYBuckHunter27]

Yes this was the stated goal of a coalition of animal rights organizations. They were the first to put a target on bowhunting. It seems that since then they have gotten a lot of help from other hunters as well. However, the fact still remains that here they are, once again the only hunting organization that is publicly trying to do something about this misguided DEC activity.

 

Hunters against hunters, really? great just what we need...

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Yep.

 

Run bow season from September 20th until the end of December.

 

Have your early MLOADER (antlerless only) and your youth season (regular rules).

 

Allow Crossbows (many people who buy them come to hate them anyway).

 

One buck per year.

 

7 day firearm season..

 

Basically just like Ohio

think they could hit their harvest numbers that way?

[dbHunterNY]

think they could hit their harvest numbers that way?

 

not a chance and licenses purchased would tank.

[bubba]

I love the fact in the NZ we have that week we share with the precious archery hunters, where I can use my ml if I choose.  Join the 21st century

[Doc]

NYB has offered about as easy a way as possible to register your objection to the crazy stuff that the DEC is cramming down our throats. I would suggest that those who have objections to bowhunters alone now taking on the responsibility of balancing the gender ratio of the state's deer herd, take advantage of this simple tool that the NYB has provided and make your opinion known.

 

 

[NYBuckHunter27]

These proposals i had no idea about...

 

 

Fellow member,

            Legislation has been introduced (A8021 and S5807) by Assemblywoman Gunther and Senator Gallivan which would allow the crossbow to be used with bow privilege (instead of muzzleloader privilege), eliminate the 200 pound restriction, allow it to be used during the Columbus Day youth firearm hunt and allow crossbows to be used for bowfishing.  NYB opposes these changes. There are several safety concerns that have been explained in a letter which we have sent to select members of the legislature. We ask that you take a look at the letter which will appear when you click on the following link and if you are in agreement to please follow directions on that page.

Please “Click Here” to see the letter and send emails.  The emails will take a minute.  When you have a few minutes please make three phone calls.  We have created a phone alert which gives you the names and phone numbers of the legislators along with clear talking points.  To access the phone portion of this alert "click here".

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

What safety issues?

[orion]

"So is there anyone besides NYB that is taking a stand on this, or are we all alone .... again?"

 

I don't think comments like this help to get gun hunters on board

 

 

"Run bow season from September 20th until the end of December.

Have your early MLOADER (antlerless only) and your youth season (regular rules).

Allow Crossbows (many people who buy them come to hate them anyway).

One buck per year.

7 day firearm season..

Basically just like Ohio"

 

Not the first time I've heard wanting to cut gun season to 1 week. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

What safety issues?

 

Same song, different day...

 

Subject:

Bowhunters Opposes A8021 and S5807  

Required text:

(This text will be included in your message)

I am a bowhunter and am urging you NOT to support A8021 and S5807 (Gunther/Gallivan). The purpose of the above bill is to have the crossbow reclassified as a conventional bow. I have serious safety concerns as explained below.

The modern crossbow much more closely resembles and functions as a firearm than those bows which are allowed in archery season (longbow, recurve and compound bow). Although a crossbow uses a string and a hunting tipped shaft, the similarity ends there. The crossbow has a stock, trigger and most are equipped with a telescopic sight. Whereas a conventional bow must be hand drawn with each arrow and hand held, crossbows are pre cocked (pre loaded) and may be rested on support when fired.

Whereas the average range at which a deer is taken with a conventional bow has remained at under twenty yards for decades, the long range capabilities of the crossbow are widely promoted by their manufacturers.

In 2014, when allowing the crossbow to be used during the last two weeks of archery season in the southern zone (and last 10 days in the NZ), the NYSDEC recognized the superiority of the crossbow and thereby decided it would be best to require that users purchase a Muzzle loader permit. This assures its users have attended a firearm safety class.

Another acknowledgement by the DEC that the crossbow has superior capabilities was the attachment of a 250 foot minimum discharge distance from dwellings while the conventional bow is allowed only a 150 foot discharge distance.

One of the features of A8021 and S5807 is to eliminate the 200 pound (draw) weight restriction on crossbows. This is between three and four times the (draw) weight of most conventional bows. The extremely high draw poundage of a crossbow are able to be attained because the crossbow uses mechanical means to draw the string while conventional bows do not allow automatic draw devices. The modern crossbow is an ever evolving piece of machinery. They are getting more powerful and faster every year and as such need to have restrictions that will assure the safety of all those that share the woods.

The final piece of A8021 and S5807 is to allow the crossbow to be used by 12 and 13 year olds during the Columbus Day weekend youth firearm hunt. Currently 12 and 13 year olds are already permitted to use conventional archery equipment throughout all archery seasons. The Columbus day youth firearm hunt was implemented by the DEC to give 14 and 15 year old firearm hunters an early opportunity to use a firearm. Those same 14 and 15 year olds are already allowed to use the crossbow during the crossbow part of archery season.

With the long range capabilities of the crossbow, coupled with their telescopic sights, the mechanical / technical advantages that already exist and advancements being made every year, there are numerous safety concerns that are attached with the use of a crossbow and I urge you to not support A8021 and S5807

 

 

 

 

I would spend the two minutes to tear down these silly statements, but Id just be repeating myself for the 30th time.

[gjs4]

Firm believer the proposals are just a way to usher in the early ml season.

NYB has taken heat from the orange majority ... And it's sad. The reason bowhunter take the stances the do is because the Orange majority makes the mess it does.

I'll gladly kick the dead horse and say crossbows are not bows and not as safe as bows. They used optics and stay cocked. Those who argue such points or whine about compounds versus recurves/long bows are just crossbow supporters.... The majority of which I've found to be gun hunters who want another buck with better opportunity without any inconvenience of practicing or learning something....

[Doc]

"So is there anyone besides NYB that is taking a stand on this, or are we all alone .... again?"

 

I don't think comments like this help to get gun hunters on board

I think comments like these are necessary for giving credit to the only organization who has even mentioned the fact that the DEC is trying to balance the deer population on the backs of those least like to be able to influence it. When somebody is doing something right, you're damned right I will give them praise. And when others are ignoring such things, I will make that known also. And whether gun hunters or the Crossbow Coalition get on board or not is up to them. But there is nothing wrong with pointing out the fact that they are not.

 

[BellR]

So let me get this straight... you expect the x-bow hunters whom you blatantly tell that you are somehow "better" and that x-bow shouldn't share your "special" season to turn around and fight for the rights of your season? Do you see the error with the logic there? Perhaps if bow hunters were less petty when it came to keeping the season for only bow hunters you would be getting more support. Right now, asking the x-bow people for their votes sounds kind of hypocritical.

[growalot]

Let me say that Jeremy Hurst and  NYB are in an argument ...there was an article in the NYODN's about it...were Jeremy Hurst was quoted as to having an issue with them due to the letter sent out to members...

 

Yep too bad when ppl in a position of power can have influence over what all hunters in a specific group can do when they are ticked off at just one small fraction of that group...We'll see...hhhmmmm

Edited July 8, 2015 by growalot

[dbHunterNY]

So let me get this straight... you expect the x-bow hunters whom you blatantly tell that you are somehow "better" and that x-bow shouldn't share your "special" season to turn around and fight for the rights of your season? Do you see the error with the logic there? Perhaps if bow hunters were less petty when it came to keeping the season for only bow hunters you would be getting more support. Right now, asking the x-bow people for their votes sounds kind of hypocritical.

 

im with you.  most bowhunters I know of don't care, as they'd pick up a crossbow or hunt right along side them with a regular vertical bow.  it's all relative I mean if I take out my bare recurve versus one of my tricked out compounds I don't get a special season.  crossbows should be used as regular archery gear.  it'd get more people out in the woods and supporting another piece of hunting.

[SplitG2]

letter sent!