Dual Pistol Registration

[fasteddie]

Does anyone do this with a relative ?  I was told at a gun shop that I could fill out a form to have my son , who has a pistol permit , as a dual owner . The advantage of this is ..... if something happens to me , the dual owner would automatically become the sole owner and the government wouldn't get the pistols .

[BellR]

My father and grandfather have theirs set up this way.  I will eventually with my wife once we are back up there and go through the PIA of getting a NYS permit.

[dbHunterNY]

county based issuing for pistol permits.  not all counties will do it.  some like mine claim it's due to domestic disputes where two part ways and both claim ownership.  was an 8 month wait to get ours.  managed to get one gun on both permits.  I don't even want to get into how messed up permitting and restrictions are in this state.  many of the issues are a simple fix.

[covert]

In my county I believe you have to live at the same address.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Monroe isn't an issue Eddie.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

county based issuing for pistol permits.  not all counties will do it.  some like mine claim it's due to domestic disputes where two part ways and both claim ownership.  was an 8 month wait to get ours.  managed to get one gun on both permits.  I don't even want to get into how messed up permitting and restrictions are in this state.  many of the issues are a simple fix.

So what happens if you did a sale to your wife and then just never filed the paperwork to remove it from yours?

[Hock3y24]

My father and I have all of our pistols on both permits in Broome.

[jrm]

So what happens if you did a sale to your wife and then just never filed the paperwork to remove it from yours?

I can't speak for the poster you are responding to. I'm in Suffolk County where a pistol can only be "owned" by ONE person and can only be listed on one license.

In the scenario you describe, I can see one of two things happening:

1. The "sale" would not be considered valid, because the process to transfer from one license to another was never completed.

2. The "sale" would be considered valid and the license holder(s) held in violation the rules. Worst case scenario (albeit, unlikely) it that license(s) are suspended/revoked and/or "illegal" pistols confiscated.

If the wife (person guns sold to) was out with the guns, there would be trouble - the pistols are not listed on her license.

Both my wife and I have a pistol license. Originally, her pistols were listed on my license. Not a big deal since she is always with me when using the pistols. Eventually, we went down to police HQ and had them removed from my license and placed on hers. No bill of sale needed. We were both present and simply had to pay a fee per gun to have them removed from my license and another fee per gun to place on hers. A silly money grab, but otherwise simple.

[fasteddie]

I am in Wayne County and my son is in Monroe County.

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

I am in Wayne County and my son is in Monroe County.

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Monroe is no issue. Call Wayne. In Monroe there is one form for co-ownership. Last all pistols and it is one transaction fee of $3 I believe

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I can't speak for the poster you are responding to. I'm in Suffolk County where a pistol can only be "owned" by ONE person and can only be listed on one license.

In the scenario you describe, I can see one of two things happening:

1. The "sale" would not be considered valid, because the process to transfer from one license to another was never completed.

2. The "sale" would be considered valid and the license holder(s) held in violation the rules. Worst case scenario (albeit, unlikely) it that license(s) are suspended/revoked and/or "illegal" pistols confiscated.

If the wife (person guns sold to) was out with the guns, there would be trouble - the pistols are not listed on her license.

Both my wife and I have a pistol license. Originally, her pistols were listed on my license. Not a big deal since she is always with me when using the pistols. Eventually, we went down to police HQ and had them removed from my license and placed on hers. No bill of sale needed. We were both present and simply had to pay a fee per gun to have them removed from my license and another fee per gun to place on hers. A silly money grab, but otherwise simple.

So if the pistol is listed on both permits and the police check either permit, what would happen? Pistol matches to both permit holders.

[jrm]

So if the pistol is listed on both permits and the police check either permit, what would happen? Pistol matches to both permit holders.

Sorry if I wasn't clear... In Suffolk County it is not possible to have the pistol listed on more than one license. The license it is listed on is considered the "owner" of the pistol. To get that pistol moved to different license, it must be removed from the current license.

If you don't follow the procedure, you are in violation of the county rules and could potentially have your license suspended or revoked.

[G-Man]

Yes , I have even done this with an elderly neighbor

[stoneam2006]

All my father in laws are on mine in catt co no issue just take serial number and writen note from him to clerk and she puts it right on no paperwork needed

Edited August 31, 2015 by stoneam2006

[Hock3y24]

Culver creek, in Broome nothing is digital, they typewrite everything onto the back of permits each time you add a pistol on your copy, and a master copy that's on file. When the police see your permit they can't tell who else has that pistol on there permit unless they go through the filing cabinet of duplicates... And guess who else's its on because that would be a pain in the ass.

[dbHunterNY]

So what happens if you did a sale to your wife and then just never filed the paperwork to remove it from yours?

 

 

I can't speak for the poster you are responding to. I'm in Suffolk County where a pistol can only be "owned" by ONE person and can only be listed on one license.

In the scenario you describe, I can see one of two things happening:

1. The "sale" would not be considered valid, because the process to transfer from one license to another was never completed.

2. The "sale" would be considered valid and the license holder(s) held in violation the rules. Worst case scenario (albeit, unlikely) it that license(s) are suspended/revoked and/or "illegal" pistols confiscated.

If the wife (person guns sold to) was out with the guns, there would be trouble - the pistols are not listed on her license.

Both my wife and I have a pistol license. Originally, her pistols were listed on my license. Not a big deal since she is always with me when using the pistols. Eventually, we went down to police HQ and had them removed from my license and placed on hers. No bill of sale needed. We were both present and simply had to pay a fee per gun to have them removed from my license and another fee per gun to place on hers. A silly money grab, but otherwise simple.

 

first of this is the problem.  every dang county is different.  laws for pistol permitting and restrictions should be the same in every county in NYS.  exceptions maybe being within limits of NYC, Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse, and Binghamton.  Major cities.

 

jrm pretty much has it right.  in rensselaer county they won't co-register a pistol on more than one permit.  you can't legally handle a pistol unless it's on your permit or if a certified pistol instructor and the owner (one with the pistol on their permit) are both present.  this doesn't make much sense where it could be commonly used between two or maybe more people.  there's plenty of useless crap info on your pistol permit that could take space for indication of ownership.  it should be if you have it listed on your permit then you can handle and possess it without being accompanied.  however, for official determination of ownership there can be a column for owner.  it'd say "Y" or "N".

[dbHunterNY]

Culver creek, in Broome nothing is digital, they typewrite everything onto the back of permits each time you add a pistol on your copy, and a master copy that's on file. When the police see your permit they can't tell who else has that pistol on there permit unless they go through the filing cabinet of duplicates... And guess who else's its on because that would be a pain in the ass.

 

and in Rensselaer it's a plastic printed card like a credit card.  fee to get an updated one every time something changes.

[wheelieman]

Seneca county all you do is just take a relatives serial number and 3.00 they will add it on to your permit, My brothers pistol is on mine and mine is on his, I used his sidearm to get my permit. Seneca has a plastic card and every time you amend it they issue a new card with the updated info, We did it this way just in case some thing happens to one of us the other would keep the sidearms, 

[rob-c]

wife and I have duel ownership we are in steuben county as soon as my two son's get permits all pistols will be added