Will stomach shot be lethal?

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

I wonder how many times the same comment has to be repeated over and over before the point has been made that shooting-hour restrictions should be obeyed. We're into 4 pages of telling this guy what a scumbag he is for shooting after hours. Is that enough, or should we do an additional 4 pages. What does it take to make him leave and never post here again .... I assume that is the goal of all this piling on. Hey, maybe if we make him feel bad enough he will quit hunting altogether. Maybe then we can all feel great about our little contribution to law and order.

Perfect

How about that deer that suffered for almost a day with a horrible death,, because he's so awesome ...

Not ... I could care less if or when he comes back here or ever steps foot in the woods again...

Really ???

[Huntscreek]

Shut it down Mod this is getting NO where.

Edited October 31, 2015 by Huntscreek

[chrisw]

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[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

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If your referring to me ,, I'm not perfect but I follow the rules ,, if your defending this I can only assume you follow your own rules??

If you read the entire thread I have wounded many deer, but not by shooting in the dark,, this forum is full of two sided comments ,, maybe if you own a dog,,,your beloved pets time has come to a end,,,you can let this new hunter end his suffering.,, hunting is full of mistakes but ones that are done by not following the rules are ones that shouldn't of happened to begin with .. Defended his in experience , lack of judgement all you want, I will sleep fine tonight

[Chef]

All I will says is this, I bet there isn't a single member of this forum weather they know they did or not has broken a game law at least once in their life so let's just take every liscense in the state for 5 years and we can start all over in 2020........ Thank you and quit treating this guy like a pos

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

This is what happens when you follow the rules ..

Today was my morning ..,

[wolc123]

The OP made a mistake and it don't look like he has been back on this thread anyhow.   All of us have made mistakes, but most don't like to admit that publicly.  Some sure do love pointing out those made by others, as this 4 + pages of lecturing clearly shows. Fortunately, someone paid for all of our mistakes on the Cross a long time ago.  The best thing any hunter can do is receive that gift with open arms.  He who gave it determines how every deer's life ends.   It might surprise you how much truer those arrows fly when you get things straightened out with The Man upstairs.  

 

Speaking of which, I cant wait to get out there next week.  I would suggest to the OP that he get himself a Cross-bow and try again next week when that opens up. 

 

Congrats on that buck up above^

 

How's this for "Lethal":

Edited October 31, 2015 by wolc123

[growalot]

I'm saying this just one more time then I just hope the OP either found that deer or learned a few things while tracking it....Gosh just change your posting name and come back and try again...

 

here it goes:

1. This is why I asked ppl not to post before the deer are in hand and if help is needed PM one or two of the better hunters here and ask for help(not including myself in that)

 

2. Please some may want to go back and check the "dumb hunting laws" thread and see if their name is on there saying change the sunset/sunrise law especially if you dumped on this poster...right or wrong It's time ppl realize young and new hunters read what we all say. When 65% of the guys on the "dumb hunting laws" make comments about such rules...WHAT the heck kind of message does that send to the inexperienced ones...never mind we now see what that message is.

 

3. Lastly just one year can we learn from our own mistakes and not have another repeat of previous years ...in have more than one of these threads

[Marion]

He clearly was not a marksman as advertised Ahahahaha

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[jjb4900]

to be totally honest, him bending the legal shooting hours is the least of what bothered me.....it was the whole "it was already a little dark. But the buck was close enough. So I give it a shot." that bothered me.....and I would give a friend or family member the same crap if they did this as well, because it's well deserved....oh, and I would expect the same sh*t to be shoveled on me if I did it as well.

[jjb4900]

I see no shortage of new hunters getting all types of help on here from everyone....whether it be recovery questions, equipment, places to hunt...you name it. I guess the response directly reflects the way you come across when you pose your question / dilemma.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

to be totally honest, him bending the legal shooting hours is the least of what bothered me.....it was the whole "it was already a little dark. But the buck was close enough. So I give it a shot." that bothered me.....and I would give a friend or family member the same crap if they did this as well, because it's well deserved....oh, and I would expect the same sh*t to be shoveled on me if I did it as well.

You betcha... And i'm afraid by the sounds that he drew back on the..Body Blob..in front of him and tried to settle the pins somewhere towards the front. We all could have done it many a times i'm sure.

The wounding happens in this sport,Sad but True. That i can deal with but the whole in the dark thing,after hours by more than just a few, and on top of that being a new hunter i believe this boy needs a good ripping just to get the point across so it does not happen next time. The deer died a shitty death and was most likely lost so maybe a lesson will be learned?  Lets Hope!

[Doc]

If your referring to me ,, I'm not perfect but I follow the rules ,, if your defending this I can only assume you follow your own rules??

If you read the entire thread I have wounded many deer, but not by shooting in the dark,, this forum is full of two sided comments ,, maybe if you own a dog,,,your beloved pets time has come to a end,,,you can let this new hunter end his suffering.,, hunting is full of mistakes but ones that are done by not following the rules are ones that shouldn't of happened to begin with .. Defended his in experience , lack of judgement all you want, I will sleep fine tonight

So, you care so little for the deer that you head out into the woods with such poor shooting skills that you are wounding "Many" deer (your words). Perhaps you should have your own 4 or 5 page volume of comments about how disrespectful it is to use a weapon that you apparently have very little proficiency at or any interest in improving your shooting skills. Look, that holier-than-thou attitude works only if you really are holier-than-thou. Otherwise, it simply shows up as just plain old hypocrisy.

[Doc]

Well, this thread should put to bed any more of that goofy argument that legal hunting hours should be changed to 1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset. It appears that the opinion is close to unanimous that when this guy shot exactly 1/2 hour after sunset, it was obviously the reason for the gut-shot deer. I'm glad that one is finally settled.

[Buckmaster7600]

Well, this thread should put to bed any more of that goofy argument that legal hunting hours should be changed to 1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset. It appears that the opinion is close to unanimous that when this guy shot exactly 1/2 hour after sunset, it was obviously the reason for the gut-shot deer. I'm glad that one is finally settled.

Yup based on all your scientific evidence of one guy and his bad shooting. I would love to see it changed as I have seen it work in Ohio and NC. However I know it will never change in this socialist state.

[Five Seasons]

This is what happens when you follow the rules ..

Today was my morning ..,

Needed another year

[Five Seasons]

The OP made a mistake and it don't look like he has been back on this thread anyhow. All of us have made mistakes, but most don't like to admit that publicly. Some sure do love pointing out those made by others, as this 4 + pages of lecturing clearly shows. Fortunately, someone paid for all of our mistakes on the Cross a long time ago. The best thing any hunter can do is receive that gift with open arms. He who gave it determines how every deer's life ends. It might surprise you how much truer those arrows fly when you get things straightened out with The Man upstairs.

Speaking of which, I cant wait to get out there next week. I would suggest to the OP that he get himself a Cross-bow and try again next week when that opens up.

Congrats on that buck up above^

How's this for "Lethal":

That's what? 72 times now you've posted that picture?

[Buckmaster7600]

That's what? 72 times now you've posted that picture?

When you let Jesus take the sights with a shot at a distance you have never practiced you have to show it off!

[wolc123]

Thanks for the bump Belo & Buckmaster . A little more focus in the right place and you all might be able to post us some new pictures this season. They are out there now and active. A neighbor just dropped off a stout little 4-point that he arrowed yesterday afternoon. Them tenderloins will be good with my eggs tomorrow morning. He heart-shot that one too, from the ground, as it was walking towards him at 20 yards. Too bad he left it with the rest of the gut pile, so no fresh heart pictures yet. He was a little upset to see it was a buck, as there were four or five "big boys" he was after. It could have used two more years. Too upset to eat it himself I guess, but it worked out well for me. Now I can be a little more selective with my own buck tag out there with the Crossbow next week. Good luck with the rest of the season. Distance?, heck the one hanging in my garage now came from nearly 50 miles away. Jesus truly is amazing, almost like when he helped those fellas fill their boats with fish. I did not even need to waste an arrow on that one.

Edited October 31, 2015 by wolc123

[DirtTime]

Well, this thread should put to bed any more of that goofy argument that legal hunting hours should be changed to 1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset. It appears that the opinion is close to unanimous that when this guy shot exactly 1/2 hour after sunset, it was obviously the reason for the gut-shot deer. I'm glad that one is finally settled.

 This one may have settled down without this stick of dynamite.

Edited November 1, 2015 by ....rob

[shawnhu]

Thanks for the bump Belo & Buckmaster . A little more focus in the right place and you all might be able to post us some new pictures this season. They are out there now and active. A neighbor just dropped off a stout little 4-point that he arrowed yesterday afternoon. Them tenderloins will be good with my eggs tomorrow morning. He heart-shot that one too, from the ground, as it was walking towards him at 20 yards. Too bad he left it with the rest of the gut pile, so no fresh heart pictures yet. He was a little upset to see it was a buck, as there were four or five "big boys" he was after. It could have used two more years. Too upset to eat it himself I guess, but it worked out well for me. Now I can be a little more selective with my own buck tag out there with the Crossbow next week. Good luck with the rest of the season. Distance?, heck the one hanging in my garage now came from nearly 50 miles away. Jesus truly is amazing, almost like when he helped those fellas fill their boats with fish. I did not even need to waste an arrow on that one.

So why did JC want this deer to suffer this horrific death? Maybe he was a bad boy and is a sinner? Perhaps he only had lust on his mind and chasing tails instead of going to Sunday mass? What's the reason?

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[wolc123]

I'll take a stab at that one:

We got to go back to the OP, since that is all we have for info on that particular buck from an "eye-witness". It sounds like the OP estimated the age of the buck as 13-1/2 years old. That is "ancient" for a free-range, NY state buck. The oldest buck I ever killed in NY was one last year that I would estimate at 4-1/2 - 5-1/2 and it was still in near-peak physical condition, except for considerable tooth wear. A 13-1/2 year old would have to be in pretty rough shape overall.

The first deer I ever shot at with a bow (and also wounded - shoulder blade hit), was a doe of similar vintage. She came in with a big healthy doe and a fawn. All three were in range, but "grandma" offered the best shot so I took it. She pulled the old "duck and jump", when she heard my bow release at 25 yards, taking the arrow in the shoulder blade. She may have recovered from that shot, I will never know, but she was clearly near the end of the line anyhow.

Maybe the OP took some extra risk on this old buck because he could tell that it was in wretched condition. A stomach hit will usually kill within 24 hours, not pleasant, but probably better than some other alternatives, which could include starvation. If that old boy had made it thru 13 hunting seasons, he did a lot better than most. Rather than adorning some lucky hunter's wall, now he can be at peace in the forest where he evaded them for so long.

p.s., I just checked out "Google maps" to verify the distance that the 4-point currently hanging in my garage was killed at from my position at the time: 44.34 miles. My 50 mile estimate was a little over this time, unlike last year's Crossbow 6-point where I estimated 50 yards and he turned out to be 59. I ain't perfect but JC is, He always gets things exactly right. I cant make it to church this morning since there is skinning and quartering to do. Happy hunting to all of you headed to the woods.

Edited November 1, 2015 by wolc123