nyslowhand Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Prelim findings from DEC about their anterless regulations implemented in certain regions last (2015) bow & ML seasons. Fairly obvious to the casual reader how the regs worked. DEC will probably be scratching their heads for months trying to justify any further anterless regs! http://www.outdoornews.com/January-2016/Antlerless-only-regs-impact-difficult-to-gauge/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growalot Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) They'll say the . Weather was the the main factor and continue on. Only hunters saying no we will not support a flawed plan will change this...They do not like seeing a decrease in licence sales,even slight ones. I Think the increase in Some counties ML sales just indicates were cross bow usage is higher... Edited January 22, 2016 by growalot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneam2006 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Just give us full inclusion of xbow during archery...more guys would be out Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growalot Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Didn't catch this ...where cross bow usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneam2006 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 ? If they want to increase deer take full inclusion of xbow will do that Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 This is what happens when you cram things down people's throats using the same tactics that brought us the Safe Act. The early clandestine hurry to jam something in before any opposition can be mounted struck again. Of course there was rebellion. What did they expect? Treating bowhunters like errant children being punished for not harvesting enough does to balance the deer populations wasn't exactly the right thing to do either. These people are beginning to disgust me, and apparently others as well. What wasn't complained about quite as loudly was how the muzzleloaders were also being screwed. It sounds like they went farther than the bowhunters with some of them not even buying a license. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growalot Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Which I said would happen..but apparently, not as much as I thought it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter49 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I believe years ago the DEC. worked with & for the hunters, now days I think its all political & all the higher ups just use it as a step to move up in the world of bottom feeders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 It’s not us passing on doe’s, it’s not being able to get to them. Most of the land is in privet hands. I’m lucky I have a couple of places I can hunt in 8g. it all comes down to access to the deer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneam2006 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 It’s not us passing on doe’s, it’s not being able to get to them. Most of the land is in privet hands. I’m lucky I have a couple of places I can hunt in 8g. it all comes down to access to the deer.Wish I could like that more....truest statement on hereSent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 This is what happens when you cram things down people's throats using the same tactics that brought us the Safe Act. The early clandestine hurry to jam something in before any opposition can be mounted struck again. Of course there was rebellion. What did they expect? Treating bowhunters like errant children being punished for not harvesting enough does to balance the deer populations wasn't exactly the right thing to do either. These people are beginning to disgust me, and apparently others as well. What wasn't complained about quite as loudly was how the muzzleloaders were also being screwed. It sounds like they went farther than the bowhunters with some of them not even buying a license. If it wasn't for the early ML up in the NZ I wouldn't have bought one this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Th other think on the ML license sales. I would bet the cross bow numbers are clouding the ML hunter numbers. I wonder if in units (Like Erie county where license sales went up) the numbers were propped up with a combination of crossbow AND a reduction in setback rules for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyantler Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I would love to see how they determined harvest numbers with all the different factors involved this year... the biggest being hunter attitude. I know of many hunters that didn't hunt the first two weeks of the bow season in the doe only areas. I have to believe that statistics would have to take into consideration all the negative factors for deer harvest this year... weather, hunter attitude, actual deer reported, oh... and deer decimated by coyote infestation . This is a time when actual reported kills would give the best harvest information for future consideration of this kind of management plan. All the unknowns this year would make it a bear to come up with an accurate statistical formula... but when you are the ones creating the formula I suppose you can make things work out just the way you wanted them to for any agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeyfeathers Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some. And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 If it wasn't for the early ML up in the NZ I wouldn't have bought one this year And it sounds like the slump in muzzleloader sales kind of backs up that line of thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some. And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe. Every year the ground rules change significantly. How do you ever compare apples to apples when that is going on? How do you come up with reliable statistics that have no factual history to base it on? Just askin' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some. And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe. . I didn't bow hunt the first two weekends and for ML since I had the license from going up north I went to came in another region. I will shoot does with both bow and ML but I wanted to have the opportunity to shoot that buck if if came by as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landtracdeerhunter Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I'm curious to see what the reported antlered buck take was on October 16th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeyfeathers Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Every year the ground rules change significantly. How do you ever compare apples to apples when that is going on? How do you come up with reliable statistics that have no factual history to base it on? Just askin' not arguing that point at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_TCIII Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some. And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe. I stayed away from my spot in Elma, and more years than not I take a doe there in the first two weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some. And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe. I also let those antlerless weeks go without hunting, for the same exact reason. Well, there may have been a slight touch of rebellion stirred into that decision also ..... lol. But the point is that the lack of intelligence behind this antlerless-only fiasco may have provided exactly the opposite harvest results that they were publicly proclaiming. On the other hand, if the intent was to force failure by the bowhunters in order to justify the inclusion of the muzzleloader into bow season (which they have publicly stated they wanted for the past decade), then maybe their brilliant plan worked perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyslowhand Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 The DEC has lost touch with hunters and their mentality, esp bow hunters. Amazes me that they think ML hunters in early bow season will help with over-population issues.Just a repeat of last year's anterless only restriction, only with ML hunters sitting out that time frame for the same reason bow hunters did! This ain't rocket science...! Apparently I'm see (interpreting) the DEC's prelim harvest stats from a different viewpoint than the DEC does!??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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