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Prelim findings from DEC about their anterless regulations implemented in certain regions last (2015) bow & ML seasons. Fairly obvious to the casual reader how the regs worked. DEC will probably be scratching their heads for months trying to justify any further anterless regs!

http://www.outdoornews.com/January-2016/Antlerless-only-regs-impact-difficult-to-gauge/

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They'll say the . Weather was the the main factor and continue on. Only hunters saying no we will not support a flawed plan will change this...They do not like seeing a decrease in licence sales,even slight ones. I Think the increase in Some counties ML sales just indicates were cross bow usage is higher...

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This is what happens when you cram things down people's throats using the same tactics that brought us the Safe Act. The early clandestine hurry to jam something in before any opposition can be mounted struck again. Of course there was rebellion. What did they expect? Treating bowhunters like errant children being punished for not harvesting enough does to balance the deer populations wasn't exactly the right thing to do either. These people are beginning to disgust me, and apparently others as well. What wasn't complained about quite as loudly was how the muzzleloaders were also being screwed. It sounds like they went farther than the bowhunters with some of them not even buying a license.

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This is what happens when you cram things down people's throats using the same tactics that brought us the Safe Act. The early clandestine hurry to jam something in before any opposition can be mounted struck again. Of course there was rebellion. What did they expect? Treating bowhunters like errant children being punished for not harvesting enough does to balance the deer populations wasn't exactly the right thing to do either. These people are beginning to disgust me, and apparently others as well. What wasn't complained about quite as loudly was how the muzzleloaders were also being screwed. It sounds like they went farther than the bowhunters with some of them not even buying a license.

If it wasn't for the early ML up in the NZ I wouldn't have bought one this year

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I would love to see how they determined harvest numbers with all the different factors involved this year... the biggest being hunter attitude. I know of many hunters that didn't hunt the first two weeks of the bow season in the doe only areas. I have to believe that statistics would have to take into consideration all the negative factors for deer harvest this year... weather, hunter attitude, actual deer reported, oh... and deer decimated by coyote infestation :).

This is a time when actual reported kills would give the best harvest information for future consideration of this kind of management plan. All the unknowns this year would make it a bear to come up with an accurate statistical formula... but when you are the ones creating the formula I suppose you can make things work out just the way you wanted them to for any agenda.

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How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some. 

And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe.

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How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some. 

And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe.

Every year the ground rules change significantly. How do you ever compare apples to apples when that is going on? How do you come up with reliable statistics that have no factual history to base it on? Just askin'

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How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some.

And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe.

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I didn't bow hunt the first two weekends and for ML since I had the license from going up north I went to came in another region. I will shoot does with both bow and ML but I wanted to have the opportunity to shoot that buck if if came by as well.

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How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some.

And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe.

I stayed away from my spot in Elma, and more years than not I take a doe there in the first two weeks
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How many guys didn't burn good stands the first two weeks of "doe only " ? I'm sure that influenced doe take some. 

And then there's no bucks during late bow and ML season. I know guys who didn't even hunt ML season as they wanted to shoot a 2nd buck . My brother is a die hard deer hunter and passed on ML completely. He had no desire to shoot a doe.

I also let those antlerless weeks go without hunting, for the same exact reason. Well, there may have been a slight touch of rebellion stirred into that decision also ..... lol.

 

But the point is that the lack of intelligence behind this antlerless-only fiasco may have provided exactly the opposite harvest results that they were publicly proclaiming. On the other hand, if the intent was to force failure by the bowhunters in order to justify the inclusion of the muzzleloader into bow season (which they have publicly stated they wanted for the past decade), then maybe their brilliant plan worked perfectly.

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The DEC has lost touch with hunters and their mentality, esp bow hunters. Amazes me that they think ML hunters in early bow season will help with over-population issues.Just a repeat of last year's anterless only restriction, only with ML hunters sitting out that time frame for the same reason bow hunters did! This ain't rocket science...! Apparently I'm see (interpreting) the DEC's prelim harvest stats from a different viewpoint than the DEC does!??!

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