mike rossi Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Here is the criminal complaint against Bundy: http://res.cloudinary.com/bdy4ger4/image/upload/v1455216027/Cliven_Bundy_court_docs_zwyknm.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 All laughable complaints when one considers the daily abuse of power by government agents and the banking sector. It's interesting that the usual trifecta of naysayers are unconcerned at the criminal actions of Wall St that are resulting in the destruction of the economic ground on which they stand and live their lives. It's going to be real gas when that rug finally gets pulled out from under neath ya'all . Then you will have some more immediate concerns to deal with day to day. Coming soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhu Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 All laughable complaints when one considers the daily abuse of power by government agents and the banking sector. It's interesting that the usual trifecta of naysayers are unconcerned at the criminal actions of Wall St that are resulting in the destruction of the economic ground on which they stand and live their lives. It's going to be real gas when that rug finally gets pulled out from under neath ya'all . Then you will have some more immediate concerns to deal with day to day. Coming soon! The October crash has come and gone.... Actually, it never came. Your predictions are wrong, as usual. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt0217 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Lesson here is your helpless against your government. It's scary to think that this could happen to any American they want it to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Do some of you not realize this guy is using public land set aside for conservation of our animals and resources for his own financial gain? Listen to Steven rinellas podcast with the first lite guys. These guys are using public land for their own financial gain and claiming to be patriots? Burning public land? Wtf? Edited February 12, 2016 by Belo 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I believe this whole case is just another government induced distraction, to keep the clueless masses from looking at all of the illegal government actions this administration wants to distract them from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) I believe this whole case is just another government induced distraction, to keep the clueless masses from looking at all of the illegal government actions this administration wants to distract them from. And also a reminder that the US oligarchy will tolerate no plebeians demanding that their rights be upheld and the rule of law observed. There is mass delusion abroad in terms of how people perceive the reality of their situation. When I tell people that Home-ownership is a myth in the US, due to property taxes, they scoff. I then challenge them to stop paying said taxes in order for them to realize who it is that really owns the land and buildings they pay for. It's a cunning and deviously brilliant system. Let the serfs pay for their own servitude and let them pretend they are free. It really is a form of feudalism that we live under, as much as anything else. And soon enough we will all be forced to pay to keep our money in a bank account. This is why the rhetoric pertaining to the banning of cash is really ramping up now. Negative interests rates are coming because the debt held by financial institutions is worthless and they know it. Once again, we all get to bail out the banksters, directly from our own pockets this time. Edited February 12, 2016 by Papist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Once again the empty minded conservatives fill the void in their heads with conspiracy theories, none which are ever based in any sort of reality or which ever see the light of day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Once again the empty minded conservatives fill the void in their heads with conspiracy theories, none which are ever based in any sort of reality or which ever see the light of day. Why are you even commenting on this?? These guys don't effect your life at all. Why don't you just "Mind your own business"?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Once again the empty minded conservatives fill the void in their heads with conspiracy theories, none which are ever based in any sort of reality or which ever see the light of day. When you're not working at 'work', what goes through your tiny mind all day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Why don't you just "Mind your own business"?? It's not like he has anything else to do, like earn a paycheck for example. Edited February 12, 2016 by Papist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 How do you defend people burning public land used by hikers, bikers and hunters? There is nothing patriotic about destroying our natural resources for your financial gain, getting pissed you're called out on it and then claiming you're some sort of freedom fighter. This is about money and nothing else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 How do you defend people burning public land used by hikers, bikers and hunters? It's terrible, especially when the feds do it and get away with it. The council man here goes into detail regarding the mismanagement and damage of land by federal agents. Not that you actually care for the facts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Burns Oregon--BLM admit they steal land 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 How do you defend people burning public land used by hikers, bikers and hunters? There is nothing patriotic about destroying our natural resources for your financial gain, getting pissed you're called out on it and then claiming you're some sort of freedom fighter. This is about money and nothing else. With me the whole thing is that they were convicted, served the full jail sentence handed down by the judge, and then released. some time later they were told that they have to return to jail to face further time on the same charge. No one here will say that if the same thing happened to them , or their son or daughter, wife, husband or any other family member, or close friend …that they would be OK with that. NO ONE!!. I dont agree with these people taking over the refuge office, in the middle of nowhere, but if a mistake was made at sentencing then punish the sentencing Judge, NO ONE!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) ................ Edited February 12, 2016 by SteveB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Why are you even commenting on this?? These guys don't effect your life at all. Why don't you just "Mind your own business"?? Because I simply enjoy pissing fools like you off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeyfeathers Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I did not intend to post the same post numerous timesI'm guessing you did as you usually act about 10 years old on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 His mommy's computer has a virus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philoshop Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Because I simply enjoy pissing fools like you off You've just admitted that you're a troll. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 It's terrible, especially when the feds do it and get away with it. The council man here goes into detail regarding the mismanagement and damage of land by federal agents. Not that you actually care for the facts. I've never watched a video or clicked a single link you've ever posted. I won't start now. Not everything you say is wrong, but the constant onslaught is just nauseating. Just give it a rest. If respected public land hunters like Steven and first lite are against it and explain why, I don't need an extremist right wing website to tell me it's ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 With me the whole thing is that they were convicted, served the full jail sentence handed down by the judge, and then released. some time later they were told that they have to return to jail to face further time on the same charge. I agree with this point. I just don't feel sorry for the guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EspressoBuzz Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 No Good Guys in the West http://www.cato.org/blog/no-good-guys-west Interesting paper published from the Cato Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EspressoBuzz Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Livestock grazing continues on state and federal lands throughout the arid West. Livestock grazing is promoted, protected and subsidized by federal agencies on approximately 270 million acres of public land in the 11 western states. Federal-lands livestock grazing enjoys more than $100 million annually in direct subsidies; indirect subsidies may be three times that. The federal livestock grazing program is heavily subsidized. The western livestock industry would evaporate as suddenly as fur trapping if it had to pay market rates for services it gets from the federal government. The federal lands grazing program generated $125 million less than what the federal government spent on the program in 2014. Further, federal grazing fees are 93 percent less than fees charged for non-irrigated western private grazing land, or just $1.69 per animal per month for each cow and calf that grazes the public land. (It costs more to feed a house cat.) By his own words Cliven Bundy thought he was paying too much and could place more animals than allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhu Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Livestock grazing continues on state and federal lands throughout the arid West. Livestock grazing is promoted, protected and subsidized by federal agencies on approximately 270 million acres of public land in the 11 western states. Federal-lands livestock grazing enjoys more than $100 million annually in direct subsidies; indirect subsidies may be three times that. The federal livestock grazing program is heavily subsidized. The western livestock industry would evaporate as suddenly as fur trapping if it had to pay market rates for services it gets from the federal government. The federal lands grazing program generated $125 million less than what the federal government spent on the program in 2014. Further, federal grazing fees are 93 percent less than fees charged for non-irrigated western private grazing land, or just $1.69 per animal per month for each cow and calf that grazes the public land. (It costs more to feed a house cat.) By his own words Cliven Bundy thought he was paying too much and could place more animals than allowed. There's those that are never satisfied by what they receive. In this case, looks like their entire livelihood was given by the government, and paid for by the rest of us. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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