The_Field_Ager Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) Trump gets it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeJ-iv3MOTo#t=40 Edited March 7, 2016 by Papist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Name a group of right wing extremist who, in recent years have butchered, raped and tortured more people and who pose a greater threat to the U.S. and the world, than Muslim extremists . And GO!!! http://media.riffsy.com/images/33d191b91de6130c89f485d01dcab758/raw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 But, one of the things we need to always praise--and much of the world does not have it--is a legal freedom of speech, right of assembly, etc. That's why we cannot accept any compromise on the 1st amendment. Islam does not have a right to preach treason and jihad against the US or it's people. I lived in the UK for a while around 1995. I remember being horrified and somewhat frightened by the Imams preaching Jihad in the town centers on Saturday mornings. They even got their own police protection detail. Madness. This 'freedom' is bearing fruit all over Europe now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 This article from 2 years ago: Expert: Islam taking over, Europe soon to be unrecognizable Dr. Kedar claimed that this is a process known in advance, ending with the disintegration of Europe in its current state. "It is all a result of a European softening, which the Muslims see as a weakness, as if they received Europe in their hands for free. They do not voluntarily blend in, entire neighborhoods perpetuate the culture they brought with them, they are not aware of the language and economy and stay in their enclaves. Once a French man of Algerian descent told me that they didn't move from Algeria to France, they brought Algeria to France. According to many, demographics, which is the topic for many studies, is the red light. It points to the path in which the continent is headed – the European birthrate is at a continuous standstill while Muslim immigrants are doubling their rates. "If they wanted to integrate within the society, as European leaders had hoped, this wouldn't be an issue," said Keidar. "But since they want to keep their identities and change Europe, it is obviously a big issue. Every year more Muslims than non-Muslims are born in France. Japan has no Muslims because they don't allow them in. Racism? Maybe. Superiority? Maybe. They don't care. They want to sustain Japan and are looking down on everyone." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-4385024%2C00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Core Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 But to be clear, Non-citizens would not be covered by our Constitution. I have no issue with a database and tracking for ANY non-citizen in our country. If they don't like that, then don't come. The constitution protects ALL people in the US, not just non-citizens and it must, as you can very well guess if you think through the implications of them not having protections such as freedom of speech or protection from random searches. There are some exceptions, such as the 2nd amendment won't apply to new aliens, but the 2nd doesn't get much respect anyway (and if you don't believe that, go try and buy a pistol without a permit). Legally there is a huge difference between registration of muslim citizens in the US and barring entry into the us to non-citizen muslims. The former is clearly unconstitutional, the second probably is not unconstitutional. Also there is already registration of all immigrants and depending on what country they are from they are put under additional scrutiny. Islam does not have a right to preach treason and jihad against the US or it's people. I lived in the UK for a while around 1995. I remember being horrified and somewhat frightened by the Imams preaching Jihad in the town centers on Saturday mornings. They even got their own police protection detail. Madness. This 'freedom' is bearing fruit all over Europe now. Directly inciting violence is not a 1st amendment protection, regardless of who does it or against who for whatever reason. I've watched with growing dismay what is happening to Europe and I actually believe it is committing cultural suicide right now, but there are ways to deal with it that don't require us to fall into fascism. Illegal immigration needs to be stopped immediately. And it's achievable, but the political will simply does not exist. Neither republicans or democrats have ever taken it seriously, despite the average american wanting it to be more seriously resisted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) I've watched with growing dismay what is happening to Europe and I actually believe it is committing cultural suicide right now, but there are ways to deal with it that don't require us to fall into fascism. The F word has no power in Europe now. I have many friends still there. They are getting ready for bloodshed. Europe has been victimized by its own foolish progressive ideas. It has flung open the gates to an inherently hostile and alien culture. And the recent and sudden decline in behavior is fast opening people's eyes to the folly of progressive liberal, Utopian ideals. Europe has some hard choices to make now if it wants to pull back from the brink. Some nations, like Sweden, seem unwilling to acknowledge reality. It might take one or two European nations to fall before the rest wake up. Things won't be pretty. When you are fighting for your very existence, concepts like fascism go out the window real fast. Edited March 7, 2016 by Papist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Some members of This site love to pick and choose which constitutional laws should be abolished and which should stay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat junkie Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Some members of This site love to pick and choose which constitutional laws should be abolished and which should stay. They tend to do the same with the Bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 and there weren't skyscrapers that were run into by the mayflower and the Pilgrims didn't wear exploding vests. And we had muskets and not full auto machine guns. Stop picking and choosing based on YOUR belief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 And we had muskets and not full auto machine guns. Stop picking and choosing based on YOUR belief The point of my comment was just that. Funny how your actual leanings frame which side doesn't apply it consistently I see no issue with keeping high risk individuals out of the country. I sure as hell don't put much faith in our current vetting process. I deal with employees every week on some of Govt authorization to be in the country and I can tell you the Govt doesn't have a clue how to keep track of these folks. And these are the ones that aren't trying to hide. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat junkie Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) Name a group of right wing extremist who, in recent years have butchered, raped and tortured more people and who pose a greater threat to the U.S. and the world, than Muslim extremists . And GO!!! Study Says White Extremists Have Killed More Americans in the U.S. Than Jihadists Since 9/11 Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 Kohn: Since 9/11, right-wing extremists killed more Americans than Islamic extremists And, don't forget about this guy. Edited March 7, 2016 by wildcat junkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntscreek Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 some of you need to retake your American History classes. Europeans fled their countries to come here to be free from religious persecution. The USA was founded on separation of church and state. I am not a denier that there is a very real problem with muslilm extremist. I vote we build a wall on the border. But we are not and have never been about singling anyone out for their race, gender, religious practices or sexual preference. Stop being so blatantly racist and bigoted. Home grown right wing extremists are just as dangerous. Yes, but they came for the American dream, and build America. They were not coming to Kill as many American's they can. I have no trouble with what Trump said, Stop them until we can fix the System. I also believe if you want to come to America use the Front door and follow the rules. The Europeans came in the front door. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I wonder how the totals would stack up if we added maimed and wounded to that. And why do we have to start to tally after 9-11? I also really wonder how many attempts by any group are foiled and we never hear a peep about them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Core Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 The F word has no power in Europe now. I have many friends still there. They are getting ready for bloodshed. Europe has been victimized by its own foolish progressive ideas. It has flung open the gates to an inherently hostile and alien culture. And the recent and sudden decline in behavior is fast opening people's eyes to the folly of progressive liberal, Utopian ideals. Europe has some hard choices to make now if it wants to pull back from the brink. Some nations, like Sweden, seem unwilling to acknowledge reality. It might take one or two European nations to fall before the rest wake up. Things won't be pretty. When you are fighting for your very existence, concepts like fascism go out the window real fast. Europe really is in a mess right now and they are getting worse. Increasingly right-wing parties are gaining power because the left seems unable or unwilling to defend the history/culture of their own nation, IMO. In a few countries the unchecked immigration is a genuine crisis and it is breeding otherwise unthinkable support for nationalist parties. People are lambasted as xenophobic or even racist when they speak out against the huge numbers of migrants, so they stay quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) Study Says White Extremists Have Killed More Americans in the U.S. Than Jihadists Since 9/11 Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 Kohn: Since 9/11, right-wing extremists killed more Americans than Islamic extremists And, don't forget about this guy. Since 9/11 there have been 28,000 islamic terrorist attacks world wide. in the last 30 days there have been over 1600 people killed and some 1700 people injured due to islamic terrorist attacks (not to mention the rapes and tortures) this month alone well over 300 people have been murdered buy islamic terrorists. But that white boy McVey comes in handy …doesn't he??? And why do guys like you always exclude 911 from the kill count????? Edited March 7, 2016 by ants 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ants Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Since 9/11 there have been 28,000 islamic terrorist attacks world wide. in the last 30 days there have been over 1600 people killed and some 1700 people injured due to islamic terrorist attacks (not to mention the rapes and tortures) this month alone well over 300 people have been murdered buy islamic terrorists. But that white boy McVey comes in handy …doesn't he??? And why do guys like you always exclude 911 from the kill count????? Thats what I thought………... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 61 Percent Say Immigration ‘Jeopardizes the United States’ A majority of Americans say immigration is putting the United States in jeopardy, according to a new poll obtained by Bloomberg Businessweek.The poll, commissioned by A.T. Kearney, a global management consulting firm, found that 61 percent of Americans agreed with the statement, “continued immigration into the country jeopardizes the United States.” A.T. Kearney’s poll of 2,590 Americans, according to Bloomberg, was conducted last October and November by research company NPD Group and is slated for release later this month. As Bloomberg detailed, the view that immigration jeopardizes America was pervasive across age groups but highest among baby boomers, 65 percent of whom agreed with the statement. Millennials were the least likely age group to hold that view but still a majority, 55 percent, agreed “continued immigration into the country jeopardizes the United States.” http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/07/poll-61-percent-say-immigration-jeopardizes-the-united-states/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Thats what I thought………... This has gone round before but wild-scat and his gang obviously didn't read it: Prof debunks widely publicized study that claims “right-wing extremists” deadlier than Islamic jihadis Contrary to media myth, you’re actually 62 times more likely to be killed by an Islamic jihadist than by a “right-wing extremist.” Professor Andrew Holt shows that not only did the New America Foundation wildly exaggerate the threat of “right-wing extremists,” and fudge the data to do so, it also ignored several murderous Islamic jihad attacks. The New America Foundation study was written up in the New York Times and elsewhere — the mainstream media loved it and continues to cite it to this day. This debunking will not get that kind of attention. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/prof-debunks-widely-publicized-study-that-claims-right-wing-extremists-are-deadlier-than-islamic-jihadis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 The point of my comment was just that. Funny how your actual leanings frame which side doesn't apply it consistently I see no issue with keeping high risk individuals out of the country. I sure as hell don't put much faith in our current vetting process. I deal with employees every week on some of Govt authorization to be in the country and I can tell you the Govt doesn't have a clue how to keep track of these folks. And these are the ones that aren't trying to hide. Like I've said many times, closing the borders has my support. I'm still torn as I'm not sure it embodies America... Unless you're a Native American than we are all byproducts of immigration. I'm not sure what the answer is really. But this guy came out and said he wanted to create a freaking database based off religion. Imagine you're a peaceful Muslim just trying to live your life (despite what papist reads on jihadwatch) they do exist. There are more Muslims in the world than any other religion. We freaked when cumo wanted to register our guns. Worry about the criminals we said... How is this different? I like a lot of Trumps ideas. I like how anti-politician he is. We need that. But I'm terrified at the following he has gained mostly off fear mongering and hate. That is not Christian and it's not American. If he'd keep his mouth shut a little more he'd have my vote. Until then Rubio, 2016. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Name a group of right wing extremist who, in recent years have butchered, raped and tortured more people and who pose a greater threat to the U.S. and the world, than Muslim extremists . And GO!!! I guess DHS, the FBI, CIA are all retards and should be listening to you. I can't imagine why they'd have them on their terror lists. Again, im not defending Muslim terrorists in the least. I'm not denying it's a problem. I have peaceful Muslim friends. I have shitty Christian friends. The problem is PEOPLE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Yes, but they came for the American dream, and build America. They were not coming to Kill as many American's they can. I have no trouble with what Trump said, Stop them until we can fix the System. I also believe if you want to come to America use the Front door and follow the rules. The Europeans came in the front door. And I don't disagree with that, never said contrary to that. You might want to do a little research into the mafia btw...if you think all European immigrants were full of love and joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Since 9/11 there have been 28,000 islamic terrorist attacks world wide. in the last 30 days there have been over 1600 people killed and some 1700 people injured due to islamic terrorist attacks (not to mention the rapes and tortures) this month alone well over 300 people have been murdered buy islamic terrorists. But that white boy McVey comes in handy …doesn't he??? And why do guys like you always exclude 911 from the kill count????? In America? Stick to the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) In America? Stick to the topic. What "right wing extremist group" has killed more people than any Muslim extremist group?? Stick to the topic…. 9/11 alone killed over 3000, in AMERICA, but you don't want to count that……Do you?? Edited March 8, 2016 by ants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntscreek Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Your comparing the Mafia to terrorist's? Sent from my XT830C using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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