Why was fracking banned?

[Mr VJP]

Fracking Bans were not based on any scientific evidence. Now that we have more of it, we begin to see how emotion and deceit were implemented to keep energy costs high, in order to make "green" energy look affordable.

 

 

http://dailysignal.com/2016/03/21/calls-for-fracking-bans-ignore-sound-science/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningbell&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRonu6rBdu%2FhmjTEU5z16OovWKS3gJ541El3fuXBP2XqjvpVQcNkN7DHRw8FHZNpywVWM8TIJNIUt9h1PwzhCG8%3D

[ApexerER]

Yup, can't get the "Green Energy" up and running with affordable fossil fuels. Have to do everything possible to run the cost up on fossil fuels. The EPA has spent so much time promoting their green agenda under this regime by closing refineries and banning fracking that they have actually forgot their job and let millions of people deal with poor drinking water quality all over the nation as well as here in NY....

 

[Merlot]

Environmental concerns revolving around water usage and chemical use in the process...I think. 

[phade]

Seems like a great topic...for the Politics section. Heck, even the second word in the linked article is "politicians."

[G-Man]

Politically the tree huggers and animal activist vote so cater to them.. pure and simple...

[phade]

Politically the tree huggers and animal activist vote so cater to them.. pure and simple...

 

I think there are a fair amount of right-thinking people who are anti-fracking. Most of them that I know are in the "not in my backyard" mindset.

[EspressoBuzz]

You really expect anything from the Heritage Foundation who are pro-fracking to be anything but pro-fracking?

 

"Shake, Rattle and Roll: For the first time ever, the U.S. Geological Survey is chronicling the potential hazards of human-induced earthquakes (read: fracking). The report being released today is timely: The Oklahoma Corporation Commission on March 7 directed oil and gas companies to reduce the volume of fracking wastewater they inject underground by 40% in areas with seismicity concerns. According to USGS, Ark., Colo., Texas and Ohio also have higher-than-average seismic activity."

 

http://about.bgov.com/blog/earthquakes-caused-by-fracking-mapped-future-of-pipeline-safety/

 

http://fsrn.org/2016/03/fracking-linked-earthquakes-open-sociopolitical-rifts-in-oklahoma/

 

http://www.thenation.com/article/demand-that-president-obama-end-fracking-on-public-lands/

 

http://ecowatch.com/2016/03/24/mckibben-fracking-climate-change/

 

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/epa-criticizes-state-fracking-study/article_2d16c52b-3f18-5805-b3a1-ec296aac84ad.html

 

Scientists Urge Feds to Continue Fracking Moratorium off CA Coast

http://sandiegofreepress.org/2016/03/scientists-urge-feds-to-continue-fracking-moratorium-off-ca-coast/

[Mr VJP]

Politically the tree huggers and animal activist vote so cater to them.. pure and simple...

 

On the surface, that's what you are meant to believe, but it's really about money and how much the average American will pay for energy.  When you ask how much, the answer is "More, more, more."

[Mr VJP]

Seems like a great topic...for the Politics section. Heck, even the second word in the linked article is "politicians."

 

You overlook the fact the article is based on "Scientific Evidence" which has been discussed in General Chit Chat in a number of forums including "Lead Free Ammo".

[phade]

You overlook the fact the article is based on "Scientific Evidence" which has been discussed in General Chit Chat in a number of forums including "Lead Free Ammo".

 

 

You overlook the fact that talking about this doesn't follow any of this hierarchy (unlike lead free ammo):

 

1. Hunting New York - NY Empire State Hunting Forum - Bow Hunting, Fishing, Bear, Deer
2. → Main

1. → General Chit Chat

[Mr VJP]

Expresso, why don't you address the EPA, National Academy of Sciences and Dept of Energy reports they cite in the article?

 

The Heritage Foundation is simply bringing attention to them, unlike the Leftist Progressive Main Stream Media that only reports what they are told to report.

 

It also appears the links you posted were after the reports from the 3 above came out.  Perhaps a new attempt to use fear mongering with "potential" harms, since the original ones are being debunked?

 

Edited March 28, 2016 by Mr VJP

[phade]

Expresso, why don't you address the EPA, National Academy of Sciences and Dept of Energy reports they cite in the article?

 

The Heritage Foundation is simply bringing attention to them, unlike the Leftist Progressive Main Stream Media that only reports what they are told to report.

 

I rest my case - politics. Now we're in general chat under the hunting hierarchy and even you and me have noted left and right ideology.

[Mr VJP]

 

You overlook the fact that talking about this doesn't follow any of this hierarchy (unlike lead free ammo):

 

1. Hunting New York - NY Empire State Hunting Forum - Bow Hunting, Fishing, Bear, Deer
2. → Main

1. → General Chit Chat

 

 

 

And 90% of what is posted in GENERAL CHIT CHAT has nothing to do with hunting.

[Mr VJP]

I rest my case - politics. Now we're in general chat under the hunting hierarchy and even you and me have noted left and right ideology.

 

You choose not to address the topic and claim the thread should be moved so few will see it.  So go ahead and whine to a moderator and get it moved, if that's what you need to do.  Sorry to invade your "safe space".

Edited March 28, 2016 by Mr VJP

[landtracdeerhunter]

To answer your question: Enviormentalist  pumped big $ into Cuomo's campaign. Enviormentalist run this state!

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2016 by landtracdeerhunter

[EspressoBuzz]

The corps determined that its 3,000-foot exclusion zone for natural gas drilling was inadequate to protect the structural integrity of the dam in Grand Prairie. The new zone is 4,000 feet.

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2016/03/no-fracking-zone-expanded-around-joe-pool-lake-dam-over-safety-worries.html/

 

Pro-fracking writer ignored essential dangers of drilling: Tish O'Dell, Mothers Against Drilling in Our Neighborhoods

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/03/pro-fracking_writer_ignored_es.html

 

Induced Earthquakes Increase Chances of Damaging Shaking, Wastewater Disposal From Fracking Primary Cause

http://ecowatch.com/2016/03/28/human-induced-earthquakes-fracking/

 

I understand each person or group has their own agenda to put forth. The EPA's agenda is very clear, protect the land, so even if they are sometime over zealous or misguided why is it people like VJP automatically distrust the EPA and trust corporations that have been proven both before the courts and by public opinion to place profits before safety or human health. These corporations have a long list of acting in bad faith and against the interests of public health and yet we are to believe the corporation and not the scientist. Believe what they tell us not what our neighbors have seen first hand. De-ride the "tree huggers" all you want, they are most directly responsible for the public land you hunt the clean water you drink the clear air you breathe. They fight the people who always find a cheaper way to do things at the expense of our environment and out health.

[Mr VJP]

But it's the EPA and other "Scientific" agencies that are telling us there were no threats from fracking that were claimed and used to ban the practice.  Why did we ban something on "Fake Science"?

 

Edited March 28, 2016 by Mr VJP

[Rattler]

Seems fear mongering is the tactic used to accomplish anything nowadays.  By the time the truth about the "science" comes out, it's too late.  What bothers me is nothing is done to the people who promoted the fear when it's proven it was all a scam.

 

[EspressoBuzz]

Report: Manmade earthquakes put millions at risk

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/03/28/man-made-earthquakes-fracking/82338854/

 

yeah, right, it's ALL a scam.

[Curmudgeon]

You have to love how someone will take one facet of a complicated issue in an argument and ignore the rest. The article claims the bans are motivated by "claims that the process is poisoning America’s drinking water." Drinking water is only one of many concerns. Air quality concerns are much better documented, and were certainly more of a concern to me. Damage to roads, hydrology and wildlife habitat are well documented. Consider the cheating of lessees by gas companies. Consider all those promises of royalty wealth that did not come true. Drinking water is A concern. Only a fool - or someone being dishonest - would claim it to be the only issue.

 

Cuomo did the politically expedient thing. That does not mean it was wrong. With the court ruling that towns could stop it with local land use regulations, allowing it would have meant wars between neighbors in hundreds of little towns. Cuomo declared peace in the small towns of the Marcellus shale.

[G-Man]

You really expect anything from the Heritage Foundation who are pro-fracking to be anything but pro-fracking?

"Shake, Rattle and Roll: For the first time ever, the U.S. Geological Survey is chronicling the potential hazards of human-induced earthquakes (read: fracking). The report being released today is timely: The Oklahoma Corporation Commission on March 7 directed oil and gas companies to reduce the volume of fracking wastewater they inject underground by 40% in areas with seismicity concerns. According to USGS, Ark., Colo., Texas and Ohio also have higher-than-average seismic activity."

http://about.bgov.com/blog/earthquakes-caused-by-fracking-mapped-future-of-pipeline-safety/

http://fsrn.org/2016/03/fracking-linked-earthquakes-open-sociopolitical-rifts-in-oklahoma/

http://www.thenation.com/article/demand-that-president-obama-end-fracking-on-public-lands/

http://ecowatch.com/2016/03/24/mckibben-fracking-climate-change/

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/epa-criticizes-state-fracking-study/article_2d16c52b-3f18-5805-b3a1-ec296aac84ad.html

Scientists Urge Feds to Continue Fracking Moratorium off CA Coast

http://sandiegofreepress.org/2016/03/scientists-urge-feds-to-continue-fracking-moratorium-off-ca-coast/

um that is on a fault..maybe you heard of it..Mississippi river? Has had several major quakes..

[F-150]

I feel fracking will be allowed in upstate , when it benefits New York City. Not much happens upstate until it benefits downstate. They will either need the gas or a tax revenue from it.

[Rattler]

There may have been a lot of reasons why fracking was banned, but polluted water was the issue used to gain support among the voters.  If it was a false fear, how many of the other "potential" problems are really true?  I suspect time will tell.

 

(P.S. what kind of person pushes to have a thread shut down?)

 

[HectorBuckBuster]

What cracks my up is the people with electric cars. Where do they thing the electric comes from, most of it is coal or natural gas. Just think if a big black out hits the country like it did a few years ago and these people won't be able to charge their cars.

[Grouse]

If all these negative reports were true, Pennsylvania would be a disaster area by now.  I don't see PA residents screaming to shut it down.