Anterless Only!!

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Well seeing how the xbow is the save all to the herd population, 

did somebody say this?

[Five Seasons]

I'll bring mine over anytime and if you can hit 100 I'll admit your right.....but not gonna happen you have to hold over so far to get that distance....my xbow arrow drops much much faster than my vert does

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Is there something in the video that isn't reality? I don't care about your crossbow, there are fully capable versions out there and I posted proof.

[stoneam2006]

Is there something in the video that isn't reality? I don't care about your crossbow, there are fully capable versions out there and I posted proof.

No I'm sure it happens but look at your statement....your wife could do it easily....lmao ok your against xbow for some childish reasons that's fine....

For the guys who have real reasons and have expressed them thank you...

Watch out for the clown invasion next year and don't get caught with a xbow or your a noob.....lmao pathetic

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

No I'm sure it happens but look at your statement....your wife could do it easily....lmao ok your against xbow for some childish reasons that's fine....

For the guys who have real reasons and have expressed them thank you...

Watch out for the clown invasion next year and don't get caught with a xbow or your a noob.....lmao pathetic

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Elitists 

[Jason118]

I don't know. The half dozen guys we hunt with every one of them very proficient with a bow and half of them retired and have time to hunt every day didn't even go out the first two weeks of bow. We practice qdm to a very minimum of 8pnts or more and most of us are hunting specific deer ~ most not filling doe tags to gun season. That gave us less time to bag a buck of our standards. Your not blowing your stands up killing a doe while your hunting big deer. So the reality is the doe only season had the opposite effect that DEC wanted to achieve. Now this is on private land and a specific group of hunters so yes the variables very. But I bet a bunch of you did the same thing. Will full inclusion of crossbow bring down the heard numbers? Absolutely ~ but to DEC standards ~ I don't know. It's not just going to bring out a few more hunters, everytime I walked into a big box store there was a non bow hunter buying a crossbow. Your going to have I'm guessing 50% more people in the woods for a whole month and a half on public lands within a few years of full inclusion with a much easier weapon and guys who Are not hunting big bucks as much as just hunting anything. Full inclusion is going to happen sooner or later but it's going to happen. I'm for it but I hunt private land ~ on public I wouldn't want it.. They sat threw a gun course eventually they will sit threw a bow. Stoneiam2006 ~ my Mission 400 I shot a 6 inch group with three arrows exactly at 100yrds the first day I had it just for giggles. That's with the 4 wheeler as a rest. Missed the target entirely on the 4th shot and lost the bolt, you set the scope for 20yrds and each line is another ten. Pretty darn easy. Im sure I posted pictures in the crossbow section last year of this. Very top of the line set up but out of the box it sure can be done ~ just sayin.

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[stoneam2006]

I don't know. The half dozen guys we hunt with every one of them very proficient with a bow and half of them retired and have time to hunt every day didn't even go out the first two weeks of bow. We practice qdm to a very minimum of 8pnts or more and most of us are hunting specific deer ~ most not filling doe tags to gun season. That gave us less time to bag a buck of our standards. Your not blowing your stands up killing a doe while your hunting big deer. So the reality is the doe only season had the opposite effect that DEC wanted to achieve. Now this is on private land and a specific group of hunters so yes the variables very. But I bet a bunch of you did the same thing. Will full inclusion of crossbow bring down the heard numbers? Absolutely ~ but to DEC standards ~ I don't know. It's not just going to bring out a few more hunters, everytime I walked into a big box store there was a non bow hunter buying a crossbow. Your going to have I'm guessing 50% more people in the woods for a whole month and a half on public lands within a few years of full inclusion with a much easier weapon and guys who Are not hunting big bucks as much as just hunting anything. Full inclusion is going to happen sooner or later but it's going to happen. I'm for it but I hunt private land ~ on public I wouldn't want it.. They sat threw a gun course eventually they will sit threw a bow. Stoneiam2006 ~ my Mathews 400 I shot a 6 inch group with three arrows exactly at 100yrds the first day I had it just for giggles. That's with the 4 wheeler as a rest. Missed the target entirely on the 4th shot and lost the bolt, you set the scope for 20yrds and each line is another ten. Pretty darn easy. Im sure I posted pictures in the crossbow section last year of this. Very top of the line set up but out of the box it sure can be done ~ just sayin.

That's interesting and guess I'm wrong...still willing to bet it's not common tho...I know my quad 400 wouldn't be even close to that set for 20 probably get to 50 using lines but droppes like a rock....

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[Jason118]

Not saying it doesn't drop ~ the hang time is unreal. But with this scope it's simple as point and shoot. But then again the scope probably cost more than the cheaper crossbows. I would never try a kill shot that far, but unfortunately some will with a lot less knowledge than you or I. 50yards there is very little drop ~you pick different areas of the block to shoot at ~ splitting bolts is expensive. Ever get a chance to shoot the mission try it. I would have picked out a Ten Point crossbow with less fps but the weight difference was a factor ~ didn't want to lug it threw miles of swamp lol.

[G-Man]

I have a mission 400 as well with a leopold crossbow scope on it. And yes from a rest it's effective , and it drops your aiming almost 2 ft above for 60 yards..you don't really realism it as the extra crosshairs focus your attention, in the wood there is no way I would ever try that shot ,an open field maybe at a feeding relaxed head down in the grass.. maybe..

[chas0218]

did somebody say this?

Actually yes 2 posts said full inclusion would fix the over population issues.

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Edited April 9, 2016 by chas0218

[chas0218]

I don't know. The half dozen guys we hunt with every one of them very proficient with a bow and half of them retired and have time to hunt every day didn't even go out the first two weeks of bow. We practice qdm to a very minimum of 8pnts or more and most of us are hunting specific deer ~ most not filling doe tags to gun season. That gave us less time to bag a buck of our standards. Your not blowing your stands up killing a doe while your hunting big deer. So the reality is the doe only season had the opposite effect that DEC wanted to achieve. Now this is on private land and a specific group of hunters so yes the variables very. But I bet a bunch of you did the same thing. Will full inclusion of crossbow bring down the heard numbers? Absolutely ~ but to DEC standards ~ I don't know. It's not just going to bring out a few more hunters, everytime I walked into a big box store there was a non bow hunter buying a crossbow. Your going to have I'm guessing 50% more people in the woods for a whole month and a half on public lands within a few years of full inclusion with a much easier weapon and guys who Are not hunting big bucks as much as just hunting anything. Full inclusion is going to happen sooner or later but it's going to happen. I'm for it but I hunt private land ~ on public I wouldn't want it.. They sat threw a gun course eventually they will sit threw a bow. Stoneiam2006 ~ my Mission 400 I shot a 6 inch group with three arrows exactly at 100yrds the first day I had it just for giggles. That's with the 4 wheeler as a rest. Missed the target entirely on the 4th shot and lost the bolt, you set the scope for 20yrds and each line is another ten. Pretty darn easy. Im sure I posted pictures in the crossbow section last year of this. Very top of the line set up but out of the box it sure can be done ~ just sayin.

Could not agree more. How many hunting state lands right now with a vertical bow complain about too many people? Just imagine them plus every tom, dick, and Harry out there on those same lands if crossbow got full inclusion.

Also anyone preaching P.A. This P.A. that don't forget they have antler restrictions. I think it was outdoor news that put out an article about crossbows in N.Y. referencing the P.A. statistics. When it first rolled out down there the deer take was around 70% vertical bow the first year then some where around 50% the next then 17% the third year with a steady increasing amount of licenses issued. That tells me that it added more pressure to the bow season work more hunters per a square mile.

This is all common sense, I enjoy hunting the deer during bow season because they are moving naturally and not needing to be pushed around. Full inclusion will be the death of bow season as it is now.

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[chas0218]

I'll bring mine over anytime and if you can hit 100 I'll admit your right.....but not gonna happen you have to hold over so far to get that distance....my xbow arrow drops much much faster than my vert does

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That's crap, your average vertical bow doesn't hold a candle when comparing drop. The crossbow hands down has the advantage in distance shooting.

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[G-Man]

That's crap, your average vertical bow doesn't hold a candle when comparing drop. The crossbow hands down has the advantage in distance shooting.

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In fact the vertical bow will out distance a crossbow. It's how crossbow army's were held out of england.. it's a matter of kenitic encergy, longer stroke heavier arrow more distance over shorter stroke and lighter bolt.. remember a 200 lb pull crossbow is only equal to a 65 lb pull compound.. so e archers pull over 100lbs, English longbows are 150lbs pull

[G-Man]

Could not agree more. How many hunting state lands right now with a vertical bow complain about too many people? Just imagine them plus every tom, dick, and Harry out there on those same lands if crossbow got full inclusion.

Also anyone preaching P.A. This P.A. that don't forget they have antler restrictions. I think it was outdoor news that put out an article about crossbows in N.Y. referencing the P.A. statistics. When it first rolled out down there the deer take was around 70% vertical bow the first year then some where around 50% the next then 17% the third year with a steady increasing amount of licenses issued. That tells me that it added more pressure to the bow season work more hunters per a square mile.

This is all common sense, I enjoy hunting the deer during bow season because they are moving naturally and not needing to be pushed around. Full inclusion will be the death of bow season as it is now.

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I'll disagree hunting with both in ohio they have same kill percentage, will more hunters eventually take up crossbow, hopefully.. the methods of hunting with either remain the same mostly sit and wait.. so it's not like drives will be happening.. just.more hunters will increase the take but if they go to 1 buck rule for example and you tag out in bow, there will be less gun hunters.. it all evens out..

[stoneam2006]

That's crap, your average vertical bow doesn't hold a candle when comparing drop. The crossbow hands down has the advantage in distance shooting.

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Read G man post

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[chas0218]

Could not agree more. How many hunting state lands right now with a vertical bow complain about too many people? Just imagine them plus every tom, dick, and Harry out there on those same lands if crossbow got full inclusion.

Also anyone preaching P.A. This P.A. that don't forget they have antler restrictions. I think it was outdoor news that put out an article about crossbows in N.Y. referencing the P.A. statistics. When it first rolled out down there the deer take was around 70% vertical bow the first year then some where around 50% the next then 17% the third year with a steady increasing amount of licenses issued. That tells me that it added more pressure to the bow season work more hunters per a square mile.

This is all common sense, I enjoy hunting the deer during bow season because they are moving naturally and not needing to be pushed around. Full inclusion will be the death of bow season as it is now.

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I'll disagree hunting with both in ohio they have same kill percentage, will more hunters eventually take up crossbow, hopefully.. the methods of hunting with either remain the same mostly sit and wait.. so it's not like drives will be happening.. just.more hunters will increase the take but if they go to 1 buck rule for example and you tag out in bow, there will be less gun hunters.. it all evens out..

You can disagree all you want but those are facts. You also referenced traditional bows in the earlier post not the same as compounds I'm comparing compounds to crossbows. The powerstroke isn't that much shorter but produce much faster speeds 60% which makes up for the difference in the powerstroke.

Also how does an arrow weighing 440 grains going 350 fps have less kinetic energy than a 400 grain arrow going 250fps. It's not hard to see the crossbow had the advantage.

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[Jason118]

I'm not going to debate mathematics and science but I do know My mission 400 will put the bolt threw the block at any distance while my Mathews chill won't at any yards.

[G-Man]

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You can disagree all you want but those are facts. You also referenced traditional bows in the earlier post not the same as compounds I'm comparing compounds to crossbows. The powerstroke isn't that much shorter but produce much faster speeds 60% which makes up for the difference in the powerstroke.

Also how does an arrow weighing 440 grains going 350 fps have less kinetic energy than a 400 grain arrow going 250fps. It's not hard to see the crossbow had the advantage.

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An average x bow powerstrove is 14 or 15 inches, a compound is 25 plus 10 inches is a huge difference.. and only using gDo you think you would like grain and velocity is not the entire formula, is not mathmatics. A longer power stroke imparts more energy into the shaft.. if you use comparable bow and crossbow draw weights the bow will win all the time.. there are 100 yard xbow shots on you tube and 250 yard compound shots.. the second advantage a bow has over xbow is multiple shot per minute.. , 3rd the bow is much quietier. X bows are effective but they are not a gun ..

The kill percentage of bow and x bow are both between 7 amd 9 percent success depending on whose study you look at, but average harvest range remains the same.. they are by no means a super weapon.. or a long distance weapon. Or the matchlock and or flintlock would never have been invented. The revolutionary war would of been done using crossbows at 100 yards.. instead of a brown best musket at 50 to 80 yards..

[DirtTime]

I spewed a comment. I thought this would fade out. The original post wan't even about NY. I guess anything to argue will work.

The OP wasn't about NY. 

[Larry]

The only reason a cross bow may shoot farther than a bow is that it’s a more stable platform. Having the stock and being pre-cocked make a cross bow more stable. As for being faster a compound bow uses about 1/3 the draw weight to achieve the same velocity as for everyone would get a cross bow most of the guys I know that have one are bow hunter that  change over from a bow.

[dbHunterNY]

i think a crossbow would get more hunters into the woods.  more deer would die that would most likely be antlerless.  knowing when to draw is a huge part of hunting with a vertical bow.  it depends on what crossbow and what vertical bow you're talking about.  only when comparing low end crossbows to faster vertical compounds do you give the performance advantage to the vertical bow.  many high end xbows can shoot a bolt over 370 grains at speeds of over 360 fps, faster than IBO speeds for practically all compounds made to date.  only within extreme ranges does the vertical bow out shine the xbow for potential/kenetic energy available.  those distances aren't really practical or applicable to hunting.  no need for debating the two.  crossbows are definitely a better weapon for the task of killing deer at almost all practical hunting ranges. 

 

that said I don't think even guns would fix problem areas to meet DEC's desires.  Access is still in the favor of deer in many of the areas in question.  if the deer's standing in someone's suburban backyard or in a wood lot of a golf course where you don't permission there's nothing any weapon or tag allowance will do for you.

[Bowguy 1]

Why don't they do management type hunts in some areas that might need it. Give out extra permits for small areas, oh n make sure guys have access to those areas.

To hammer does in one area to still have places nearby they can just step onto will never help.

Imo let em be.

[Larry]

It’s not that we in these WMU’s aren’t trying to kill does. You can’t kill them if you can’t get to them. It’s all access driven no special hunts or more permits or earn a buck will help.  As for more permits the DEC can’t give out all they have now. As for me 8G is not my primary place to hunt but I’m lucky and have a place to hunt.