This the third time trying to post this

[noodle one]

Here we go again.

This scares the s#%t out of me.

The republican state governors and legislators are telling the teachers and public employees that they need to give back to help  balance  their budgets while giving the rich and big businesses tax breaks. Not only do they want them to give back but also want to burst their unions. The republicans need to wake up and see what they are doing. I am a registered republican but I don't know for how long if they keep pushing this issue. I am all for capitalism and I think it is the best system in the world. But fair is fair. What is good for the goose should be good for the grander. If the republicans keep pushing the issue there could be a workers R-word that the republicans and this country will never be able to recover from and if that happens god help us all.What do you think?

[SteveB]

The higher income people and businesses in NY pay some of the highest taxes in the country. I think the NYS education system (and the public sector in general) has huge amounts of waste including useless teachers that the unions keep on the job. And I don't want to pay for it anymore. There should be no sacred cows.

[noodle one]

The higher income people and businesses in NY pay some of the highest taxes in the country. I think the NYS education system (and the public sector in general) has huge amounts of waste including useless teachers that the unions keep on the job. And I don't want to pay for it anymore. There should be no sacred cows.

SteveB,

Yes, the higher income people and businesses pay higher taxs (dollar wise) but( percentage wise) no. The working people have no deductions other than their mortage interest on their one home. The rich and businesses have all kinds of deductions passed just for them and them only, making  it so when they are done paying their taxs ,they are paying less on their income than the working man is paying on his income. The middle class is on the way out. They will tell you that they need the deductions so they can reinvest and make more jobs. Yes they do make more jobs , but not in this country. They move so they can get a bigger return on their dollars, not because of higher taxs and that is greed. They don't want more money to buy bigger and better things no, they want more money because more money is more power. Power is control and that is what they want. I know many business owners and they will you tell you that the way to beat the tax man is to start a cash and carry business. The rich and big businesses have many ways to hind their money. They do a lot of cash and carry. You can take that to the bank.

  Yes, I agree that there is alot of waste in the public sector and there some bad apples holding jobs, but there is good and bad in all walks of life. If you think that turning over all the public sector jobs to private business will make things better, you need to think about it some more, because it could get worse, just look at the PA prison system. Yes big business will tell you that they can do the work for less and will sign a contact saying so, but when a emergency comes up and calls for overtime, lookout because that breaks the contract and we will be paying through the nose. You think you are the sacred cow now, wait until that happens.

[WNYBuckHunter]

So your answer is to keep on funding the bloated pig of a government we have right now? Do you realize that 35% of the nation's workforce currently works for the government? You realize that those people get paid close to, if not better than their public sector counterparts, plus they get benefits that are tremendously better on average, then the retirement benefits to boot? You know where that 35% gets their paycheck, benefits and retirement from? You and I an everyone else that pays taxes. Then add to that the 58% of government spending that goes toward entitlement programs. Take a real good look at the figures and it makes your head spin.

There is no way that ANY government job should be able to be unionized. All of them need to go. The only people I have heard that are against it are union members themselves.

[Stretchhunts]

NYS is a Democrat State  and we are doing so much better then the republican states, lol

[First-light]

As for the teachers union I think there has to be some compromise. Yes the benefits are very good but not as good as they were years ago. They are paid well, a bit more contribution into med and retirement benefits would be nice. Caping a super's salary at 179,000 is crazy. The cap would have to go down the line for this to happen, all would have to take cuts.

The sup of Syosset school district made 380,000 last year. Yes I think that is a bit much and there are other benefits in there that this person gets that we don't know about. "BUT" and I say that in all caps, these people are highly educated and if they were salary caped they would turn to private industry. This person also has 6,500 students he is responsible for. I don't see any benefit with screwing too much with the teachers union. These are the people that spend the most time with our kids, I want the best in breed when it comes to that!

Sure there are bad apples in every group, they get protected by the union but it happens in every industry. These admin

for the school also work a 12 month schedule. I think the republicans are barking up the wrong tree with the unions and in the long run it bite them in the arss.

[noodle one]

So your answer is to keep on funding the bloated pig of a government we have right now? Do you realize that 35% of the nation's workforce currently works for the government? You realize that those people get paid close to, if not better than their public sector counterparts, plus they get benefits that are tremendously better on average, then the retirement benefits to boot? You know where that 35% gets their paycheck, benefits and retirement from? You and I an everyone else that pays taxes. Then add to that the 58% of government spending that goes toward entitlement programs. Take a real good look at the figures and it makes your head spin.

There is no way that ANY government job should be able to be unionized. All of them need to go. The only people I have heard that are against it are union members themselves.

WNYBuckHunter

If I am reading your post right, you think it is ok what the republicans are doing to this country and it's working. people. Do you know that if the republicans are successful in what they are trying to do, then you might as well hand them the key to the whole country because there will be only a one party system in the government and it will no longer the government of the people.

[SteveB]

Sounds like someone wants to let Obama bring socialism big time to "redistribute" the wealth. How is it the republicans fault when NYS has been controlled by downstate liberal dems forever?  Higher brackets and businesses do pay a higher % - that is why both are leaving NYS in droves to other states.

[nyantler]

We can go even farther and say that NY is second only to California as the highest taxed state in the country.. both states are predominantly Democrat... both states are currently in the worst shape financially of all states in the country... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the common denominator here... Public sector jobs should not be unionized... not unless the guy who is writing the paychecks (ME & You), are allowed to sit at the table during negotiations sso we can say no to all their demands.

[G-Man]

just an observation...democats put all these programs in place to help the people(never seems to work) get voted out.. republicans get voted in and see all the programs without funding and have to raise taxes to pay for them. so who is really raising the taxes?? jmo

[First-light]

We can go even farther and say that NY is second only to California as the highest taxed state in the country.. both states are predominantly Democrat... both states are currently in the worst shape financially of all states in the country... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the common denominator here... Public sector jobs should not be unionized... not unless the guy who is writing the paychecks (ME & You), are allowed to sit at the table during negotiations sso we can say no to all their demands.

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

These are the people that spend the most time with our kids, I want the best in breed when it comes to that!

Sure there are bad apples in every group, they get protected by the union but it happens in every industry.

I feelin order to have the best shot at the best people teaching our kids we can not have the unions. Where else can you maintain you job just based on the duration you have held it. There is no accountability for any job performance. I am in the private sector....know what...I don't do my job I loose it...that is the way it should be. the best are hired and retained...if you want to be the best...work harder.

The crying that is taking place is because the unions are a major contributor to the Dem party. The following holds tru for private and public ---If I was a union member and held very conservative views...the money taken from me in the form of contributions and dues is used to support candidates that I may not wish to have supported. How is that a fair and just system. If my spouse has health care coverage and I do not with to participate in the Union plan...no choice...the deduction is still made.

I have been around it and worked in it.....the productivity in a union environment is NOT what it is in an open market.

The bloated packages of the public unions has to go.

As for them going into the private sector....where will they go. Look at the teachers...where will they go. I look at dozens of resumees every day with Master's degrees that are applying for secretarial jobs. My mother was a public sector employee and I used to tease her that she had better not loose her job because she couldn't make it in the real world.....It was joking but there is some truth. Reviewing resumees....I give less credit during evaluation to public sector experience than I do from the private sector.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Go ask Detroit how the unions are working out for them.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

We can go even farther and say that NY is second only to California as the highest taxed state in the country.. both states are predominantly Democrat... both states are currently in the worst shape financially of all states in the country... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the common denominator here... Public sector jobs should not be unionized... not unless the guy who is writing the paychecks (ME & You), are allowed to sit at the table during negotiations sso we can say no to all their demands.

Some facts:

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Worst Deficits

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Worst Debts

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1

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Arizona

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Massachusetts

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Ohio

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2

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California

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Connecticut

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Wisconsin

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3

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Nevada

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New Jersey

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Alaska

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4

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Illinois

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New York

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Illinois

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5

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New Jersey

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Illinois

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Alabama

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6

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New York

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California

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New Jersey

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7

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Rhode Island

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Wisconsin

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South Carolina

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8

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Kansas

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Maryland

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Colorado

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9

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Oregon

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Louisiana

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Connecticut

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10

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Alaska

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Florida

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Minnesota

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Other

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SC = 33

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SC = 12

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California = 11

 

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So not only does NY and CA get more money from their residents, but they also don't handle it so well?

[Dave]

As for the teachers union I think there has to be some compromise. Yes the benefits are very good but not as good as they were years ago. They are paid well, a bit more contribution into med and retirement benefits would be nice. Caping a super's salary at 179,000 is crazy. The cap would have to go down the line for this to happen, all would have to take cuts.

The sup of Syosset school district made 380,000 last year. Yes I think that is a bit much and there are other benefits in there that this person gets that we don't know about. "BUT" and I say that in all caps, these people are highly educated and if they were salary caped they would turn to private industry. This person also has 6,500 students he is responsible for. I don't see any benefit with screwing too much with the teachers union. These are the people that spend the most time with our kids, I want the best in breed when it comes to that!

Sure there are bad apples in every group, they get protected by the union but it happens in every industry. These admin

for the school also work a 12 month schedule. I think the republicans are barking up the wrong tree with the unions and in the long run it bite them in the arss.

[/quote The administrator of NYC Schools makes $200000 for the responsibility of over a million children and you think the Administrator of Soyosset  schools 6500 students should get more????? There is something really wrong with this compensation package.

Dave

[WNYBuckHunter]

So your answer is to keep on funding the bloated pig of a government we have right now? Do you realize that 35% of the nation's workforce currently works for the government? You realize that those people get paid close to, if not better than their public sector counterparts, plus they get benefits that are tremendously better on average, then the retirement benefits to boot? You know where that 35% gets their paycheck, benefits and retirement from? You and I an everyone else that pays taxes. Then add to that the 58% of government spending that goes toward entitlement programs. Take a real good look at the figures and it makes your head spin.

There is no way that ANY government job should be able to be unionized. All of them need to go. The only people I have heard that are against it are union members themselves.

WNYBuckHunter

If I am reading your post right, you think it is ok what the republicans are doing to this country and it's working. people. Do you know that if the republicans are successful in what they are trying to do, then you might as well hand them the key to the whole country because there will be only a one party system in the government and it will no longer the government of the people.

Thats not what Im saying at all. I think the entire government is broken, on both sides. They are all out for themselves. I also dont think what you are insinuating is accurate though.

I still say that no government job should be unionized. There should be no tenure in the schools, and government workers should get either better pay than the average private sector jobs or better benefits, not both.

[Dave]

So your answer is to keep on funding the bloated pig of a government we have right now? Do you realize that 35% of the nation's workforce currently works for the government? You realize that those people get paid close to, if not better than their public sector counterparts, plus they get benefits that are tremendously better on average, then the retirement benefits to boot? You know where that 35% gets their paycheck, benefits and retirement from? You and I an everyone else that pays taxes. Then add to that the 58% of government spending that goes toward entitlement programs. Take a real good look at the figures and it makes your head spin.

There is no way that ANY government job should be able to be unionized. All of them need to go. The only people I have heard that are against it are union members themselves.

WNYBuckHunter

If I am reading your post right, you think it is ok what the republicans are doing to this country and it's working. people. Do you know that if the republicans are successful in what they are trying to do, then you might as well hand them the key to the whole country because there will be only a one party system in the government and it will no longer the government of the people.

Thats not what Im saying at all. I think the entire government is broken, on both sides. They are all out for themselves. I also dont think what you are insinuating is accurate though.

I still say that no government job should be unionized. There should be no tenure in the schools, and government workers should get either better pay than the average private sector jobs or better benefits, not both.

Why should gov't workers get better pay or benefits than the private sector? In case you haven't been following current events they already have better pay and benefits than the private sector. The average gov't worker makes $10,000 more than the private sector for and equal related job. This doesn't count the benefits.

This administration treats gov't jobs as being more important than private sector jobs. Case in point if a private sector can't meet it's expenses it cuts staff and benefits. Once they cut staff their employees are on unemployment and get a MAX of $405 a week until their benefits run out. Now lets see how this administration handles Gov't, county, municipal workers They call congerss to pass legislation to pay for teachers, fire, police and municipal workers. But not at $405 a week! no, they keep their jobs and full benefits and any steps or raises that go with that position. So the workers are really getting full pay and where I come from that can be in the $100,00 and up range. But the irony is the people who are laid off pay for these employees. I guess these employees are the sacred cows, and yes they vote for who takes care of them. That's why there is such an uproar in this country.

Dave