Transgender Military Ban

[Culvercreek hunt club]

19 minutes ago, Elmo said:

 and there are some gay men who has more balls ...

Nah.....forget it......I'm not even going to ask. 

[Elmo]

11 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

Nah.....forget it......I'm not even going to ask. 

Sort of like that girl in Total Recall.

[Five Seasons]

1 hour ago, steve863 said:

Jeez, I had to read these couple of sentences again.  I somehow didn't see the fox before the hole when I read it the first time.  Glad I've now straightened out which hole you were welcoming them into!!

in all seriousness, get the wife into some assplay. hole new world of fun. and yes I know how i spelled whole. 

[steve863]

24 minutes ago, Belo said:

in all seriousness, get the wife into some assplay. hole new world of fun. and yes I know how i spelled whole. 

That might be asking her a bit too much.  But I'll tell her that Belo, from the Huntingny forum suggested it in the "Transgender" thread and I'll see what happens.  I'll tell her that you have no problem with transgenders in the military or being in the same foxhole with them.  She'll probably think you are man with a wealth of experience on the matter and maybe that will do the trick.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

1 hour ago, steve863 said:

That might be asking her a bit too much.  But I'll tell her that Belo, from the Huntingny forum suggested it in the "Transgender" thread and I'll see what happens.  I'll tell her that you have no problem with transgenders in the military or being in the same foxhole with them.  She'll probably think you are man with a wealth of experience on the matter and maybe that will do the trick.

2 hours ago, steve863 said:

Jeez, I had to read these couple of sentences again.  I somehow didn't see the fox before the hole when I read it the first time.  Glad I've now straightened out which hole you were welcoming them into!!

before you have that chat.....Can I have your guns?

[philoshop]

I've never served, but I would think that combat is frightening and confusing enough without having the guy who's supposed to be watching your back confused about what gender he is.

This entire argument has nothing to do with individuals. It's about policy. The purpose of the military is to win when called upon. Anything that doesn't definitively help that end result is unnecessary noise. The military is no place for social experiments.

[fasteddie]

I would be worried if the guy that is supposed to have by back is worried about a run in his pantyhose !  

[Buckmaster7600]

Marines I think cap at 28. So a 28 year old is that much more capable and durable than a 29 year old?

I don't know the exact stats, I know myself that I hurt way more at 30 than I did at 25 or even 20 for that matter. I know that my "physical" combat effectiveness had deteriorated greatly from 18-25 yr old me to 28yr old me. That's why I decided to cash out and let the young guys take the reigns.

I'm sure there was some sort of facts behind picking that number, because I think it is 5-10 years younger than all other branches.

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

I don't know the exact stats, I know myself that I hurt way more at 30 than I did at 25 or even 20 for that matter. I know that my "physical" combat effectiveness had deteriorated greatly from 18-25 yr old me to 28yr old me. That's why I decided to cash out and let the young guys take the reigns.
I'm sure there was some sort of facts behind picking that number, because I think it is 5-10 years younger than all other branches.
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I remember it being quite a bit you get than the other branches as well.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

9 hours ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

I remember it being quite a bit you get than the other branches as well.

I remember it being quite a bit lower than the other branches as well

[steve863]

15 hours ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

before you have that chat.....Can I have your guns?

You bet!!  I'll give you all our sharp objects also, like scissors, butter knives, nail clippers, pliers, etc.  Only then will I feel safe that this chat won't turn into the death of me or something even worse like castration!  LOL

 

 

 

[Five Seasons]

20 hours ago, steve863 said:

That might be asking her a bit too much.  But I'll tell her that Belo, from the Huntingny forum suggested it in the "Transgender" thread and I'll see what happens.  I'll tell her that you have no problem with transgenders in the military or being in the same foxhole with them.  She'll probably think you are man with a wealth of experience on the matter and maybe that will do the trick.

it goes both ways. Get some wine. It'll be worth it. 

16 hours ago, philoshop said:

I've never served, but I would think that combat is frightening and confusing enough without having the guy who's supposed to be watching your back confused about what gender he is.

This entire argument has nothing to do with individuals. It's about policy. The purpose of the military is to win when called upon. Anything that doesn't definitively help that end result is unnecessary noise. The military is no place for social experiments.

that's like saying, because i'm confused with my gender I can't walk and talk at the same time. A deep rooted chemical inbalance should not and would not affect the immediate decision process making in combat. Hmmm a rocket it pointed at me, should I act or wonder more about why I have a penis and feel like a girl. Combat has proven to really f with a lot of peoples heads, bur rarely have I heard that it affects them in combat. It's when they're out or have time to contemplate. 

15 hours ago, fasteddie said:

I would be worried if the guy that is supposed to have by back is worried about a run in his pantyhose !  

and there it is... 

[philoshop]

57 minutes ago, Belo said:

it goes both ways. Get some wine. It'll be worth it. 

that's like saying, because i'm confused with my gender I can't walk and talk at the same time. A deep rooted chemical inbalance should not and would not affect the immediate decision process making in combat. Hmmm a rocket it pointed at me, should I act or wonder more about why I have a penis and feel like a girl. Combat has proven to really f with a lot of peoples heads, bur rarely have I heard that it affects them in combat. It's when they're out or have time to contemplate. 

and there it is... 

Like I said, it's not about the individual person, it's about the policy. If it won't help the military, it's bad policy. Plain and simple.  And no one has shown that allowing Transgendered or 'Questioning' individuals to serve helps the military with regard to preparedness, readiness, or effectiveness when called upon. Quite the contrary in most cases.

[Five Seasons]

Like I said, it's not about the individual person, it's about the policy. If it won't help the military, it's bad policy. Plain and simple.  And no one has shown that allowing Transgendered or 'Questioning' individuals to serve helps the military with regard to preparedness, readiness, or effectiveness when called upon. Quite the contrary in most cases.

More bodies to serve. That's all you need know. If they weren't accepting applications I'd be with you... but last I checked they still are.


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[Rattler]

They are, but they're being very selective about who they take.  Today, they can afford to be.  No more of the Vietnam BS about offering hoodlums a choice between military and jail.  the military doesn't want losers anymore.

Edited August 5, 2017 by Rattler

[Buckmaster7600]

More bodies to serve. That's all you need know. If they weren't accepting applications I'd be with you... but last I checked they still are.


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Couldn't disagree more! "Bodies" slow you down and cost you in the long run. I would take a platoon of 10-12 good guys than 30 "bodies" any day!


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[philoshop]

I'll relate it back to deer hunting:

When I was a kid I was involved in deer drives that used 2 dozen guys or so, and we would often get 3 or 4 or even a half dozen deer in a day. As I got older and smarter I teamed up with one or two very skilled woodsmen/hunter friends to do very precise 'drives' and we would each manage to get a deer in a day. Both strategies could be called successful, I suppose, but one of them was clearly more successful than the other.

Combat/war may have been purely about numbers of bodies up until maybe the second World War, but it's not what it's about today. A single individual who is laser-focused on the job of killing the enemy is what's required. Someone who is worried about whether or not they should have a penis is not going to be laser-focused on killing the enemy. This is the argument from the military, and I won't even go far into the financial costs of dealing with the people who aren't absolutely the best and most focused warriors this country has to offer. Every dollar spent on the social experiment is a dollar not spent on what it takes to be the strongest military on the planet.

I forget who said it it, (maybe Gen Patton): If the fight is fair, you haven't done your homework.

ETA: The politicians have been trying to make warfare 'fair' since the early 1950's. It hasn't been good for us as a country.

Edited August 6, 2017 by philoshop

[Buckmaster7600]

I don't know if this page will work but it is somewhat related to the current discussion.

https://qz.com/499618/the-us-marines-tested-all-male-squads-against-mixed-gender-ones-and-the-men-came-out-ahead/


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[The_Field_Ager]

Mentioned it before, but male military members of the family have told me stories of the dissensions and animosities generated by mixed gender squads. The love triangles and fist fights etc. These things are design on purpose to demoralize the soldiers in my opinion. There is no way the higher-ups are unaware of the problems

[Rattler]

The higher ups in the ranks are well aware of the problems, but they have to follow the orders from the Commander in Chief.  Trump offers hope for sanity.  Just imagine if Hillary had won.  

[greg54]

4 hours ago, Rattler said:

The higher ups in the ranks are well aware of the problems, but they have to follow the orders from the Commander in Chief.  Trump offers hope for sanity.  Just imagine if Hillary had won.  

If Hillary had won, there would be every flavored fruit loop and then some allowed into the ranks. Scary thought!!

[Five Seasons]

On 8/4/2017 at 8:55 PM, Rattler said:

They are, but they're being very selective about who they take.  Today, they can afford to be.  No more of the Vietnam BS about offering hoodlums a choice between military and jail.  the military doesn't want losers anymore.

 

On 8/4/2017 at 9:33 PM, Buckmaster7600 said:

Couldn't disagree more! "Bodies" slow you down and cost you in the long run. I would take a platoon of 10-12 good guys than 30 "bodies" any day!


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poor choice of words. I'm sticking with a tranny who is a capable body. 

And serious question, if we're being selective why do they still spend millions on recruitment commercials? Heck i saw an add for the army before the dark tower movie last friday.

[Buckmaster7600]

poor choice of words. I'm sticking with a tranny who is a capable body. 
And serious question, if we're being selective why do they still spend millions on recruitment commercials? Heck i saw an add for the army before the dark tower movie last friday.

For the same reason that a high school football team that has 100 kids try out will likely have a much better record than the team that had 20 kids try out.

If I'm a recruiter and my quota is 3 kids for the month I'm getting 3 kids because if I don't I know I'm in big trouble, but at the same time if one of those kids fails to make it through boot camp I have to find 4 the next month because his number needs to be replaced. This all becomes a lot easier if I have 100 kids walk in my office in a month rather than me shaving to go walk the streets or the mall and try and find them.

It's all about numbers. The more options you have the better the final product will be.


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[Culvercreek hunt club]

30 minutes ago, Belo said:

And serious question, if we're being selective why do they still spend millions on recruitment commercials? Heck i saw an add for the army before the dark tower movie last friday.

I run ads for people even when I don't have open positions just to evaluate who is in the market and how many. When I do have a need I want the largest resume pool I can get to draw from. 

[Five Seasons]

1 hour ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

 

 

It's all about numbers. The more options you have the better the final product will be.

 

 

 

dude! That was exactly my point when I said "bodies". The more options you have the better. If the trannys are at the bottom, then they don't make the cut. I'm not advocating we take them to prove any point. No title 9 here. I'm advocating for accepting those who are solid soldiers or support troops who pass all the same qualifications as any other candidate.