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Thanks Shawn,After 22 years,I've seen it all.I think Im just about done.Time to let the young bucks deal with this.Retire and spend some time fishing and hunting.

I am a meat hunter and i am not so concerned with a rack, but would be a bonus to get a nice one. I think the younger the more tender and I pay for my Lic and my tags and will use how i wish. Nothing wrong with anyone having their own standards of hunting for yourself but any but you shouldn't try and push your thought or on others or criticize who is following the law. Not sure what is considered experience when it comes to hunting, more kills or years being out there? I do have a young fat doe out there i want,or is it a BB? hope i get it.

I've killed 2 buttons in my life, I didn't know either one was a button. I thought they were both doe fawns. They both ended up being really good eating deer. No regrets, and I'd do it again.

I dropped a deer off to get processed last night and this is some of what he had hanging. Says he does the work. This one was a full standing job but only got the rack

Experienced hunters know that.

Whatever fetish you have, keep it to yourself.

Correct. This wake up needs to be directed for preparation in the man made issue. Monetary systems are finite and our nations monetary lifespan is coming to an end. This has taken close to 100 years to accomplish. The laws of economics do not care what the name of a country is. Over this decade, we will continue to need more Federal Reserve Notes (unbacked paper money) to purchase the same goods and services. Taxes and fees will continue to rise, this will not stop as long as we keep voting in establishment. Civil unrest is likely in the future due to the devaluing of our currency. So, some investment in specific goods and knowledge is needed. Those is cities and suburbs with no knowledge, will have problems. Think towards an agrarian system of self-reliance. Goods such as barrels to collect water, gravity feed water purifiers, learn to can food, learn to dehydrate food (dried last very long), learn to sprout; purchase / store seeds, powdered milk, and foods such as beans, rice, etc. Do this and your in great shape for disasters of any type. Here are three very short but educational videos on understanding how money is created, fractional reserve lending, our debt based monetary system, and the new super housing bubble that is being created due to QE3. * * * In 10 minutes, learn why the Federal Reserve System is the biggest scam in history and why you are it's victim. In simple and easy to understand analogies. Griffin does a great job here, Live at the march on the west lawn of the Capitol, D.C., 2008. I was present at this. Learn about our debt based currency and monetary system. Mike Maloney at the bankers conference in Russia 2011. Why the latest QE3, and its infinite bond purchases by the Fed is going to result in a higher cost of living for the middle class and poor. Economist Peter Schiff. * * * Hope you can learn why we cannot afford goods and services, just like I have. I am no one special. I am more on the poor side and cannot afford health insurance. I just wanted to learn why this nation is so screwed up and this is where it led me. The Fed is the core domino. Everything you can think of that is a problem, and deals with money, are the other dominoes in the chain reaction falling due to that first one. Just trying to help. Do your own research.

redfield and osceola is full of state land as well. go for a little ride and check them out.

Hasn't even started...

Well you have a few more weeks before you can scratch that rifle itch. In the meantime, this weekend and through this next week should be prime time and alot of frustrated bow hunters are going to have their season turned around in the blink of an eye. Hopefully me and you both will be just the lucky guys.. So get out there and hunt all day. Not til 10 and then back in at 3. All day. If you have nothing else to do that is.. Find the does or find the food the does are using, and get the wind in your favor and stay put. The bucks will come looking for the ladies. Can't help you with the Camden area, but don't give up now.. Thats like heading home from spring break just before the wet tee shirt contest kicks off..

I'd pick the shotgun....it'll get the most actual use and you get what you pay for. More than a few rounds from my 391. Jewell? OK.....but for a wood stocked hunting rig I don't see the advantage. Maybe a long range precision tupperware gun. Why? have you shot a couple ounce trigger? I won't hunt with less than 2 1/2 and thats light even to most experienced riflemen. Most are about 3 for me. A Timney at less than half the price still breaks clean, and stays in a safer range IMO. Where the Jewell shines is in the single ounces for pull, thats the point of one. If you want a uber long range, lose the wood stock and start thinking aftermarket. Owned a couple 700's. If I did it again I'd buy someone elses build, and save the depreciation.....there's tons of them out there that are already shooters. JMO (don't know anything about the black gun stuff, not interested)

Maybe i should have said..... antlerless is antlerless, but i do hope u get the opportunity to harvest a more mature deer, it always seems lbs more enjoyable to me. Im sure you can agree u would probably shoot the bigger deer first right? I mean, if there were two deer standing there.... also, in case u were curious ( not at all pertaining to your question) i have found in my personal experience that looking at a deers head is usually a great place to notice if it is mature or not. The bb's and doe fawns typically have a distinct square like, small and stubby snout vs the long narrow head of a more mature deer. Hope this bit of info is helpful! Either way, i wish u luck and hope mother nature sends a big doe to you.... -any better?

Buy yourself a pair of quality binoculars... I'm not talking Nikon or Pentax, here ,I'm talking top end stuff such as Zeiss, Leica, or Swarovski. Get a good all around power such as an 8 x 40 or 8 x 42...Don't go over 10 power, too hard to hold steady offhand.. Oh yeah, and learn how to use them..Good glass can be as usefull in the woods at close range as it is in the wide open spaces.. Your wallet will SMART a little at the time of purchase, but you will never regret it.. Also ,you will never have to buy another pair of binoculars.

good call

Well I am swinging over to Walmart after work to grab 2 MORE doe permits for 8H.... with any luck I will be murdering a few BB's in a couple weeks

Lol .... come-on ..... a Murderer?? .... really? That sounds like it was lifted right off the placard of a PETA protester. Frankly, I see all this concern with button buck harvests as being not so much a concern about a "new hunter's" antlered buck as it is a concern about our own next antlered buck. I am not advocating that we should start a campaign of targeting button bucks, but that one or two that do get harvested from the local herd really doesn't ruin my season or the next. And I certainly do not feel it is my place to berate someone else's harvest because it doesn't measure up to my personal standard. Why would I want to try to destroy another hunter's feeling of success? I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what other people are satisfied with, and I haven't made it my life's mission to make everyone feel like crap who harvests a deer smaller than I would take. Not my job!

Another hidden aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. Now all the gas stations have ran out of gas. One gas station that still had gas was so crowded, cops had to stand guard because fights were breaking out. I guess this is a little taste of the SHTF scenerios.

Shooting BBs isnt going to effect genetics. QDM is fine and dandy if you can control the hunters/access, to the land, but its completely unrealistic for public land, etc. I am all for voluntary QDM. I guess my issue with what you said lies more with you saying that any experienced hunter that cant tell the difference is sad or has a problem. There are plenty of hunters out there with plenty of experience that shoot BBs, so now you are ostracizing them for it. Like Ive said before, that attitude does our sport no good. For example, a friend of mine shot a spike this year, and all I said to him was congrats, great job! I wouldnt have shot that spike, its not up to my personal standards. Doesnt mean I should judge him for it or tell him he shouldnt be proud of it. There have been a couple of guys on the farm I normally hunt that have shot little basket racked bucks so far this year. Good for them, and congrats! Im after something bigger, but thats my choice, and I will never try to force that upon anyone in any way.

Is your neighbor home? Maybe you can get a friend with a snowplow or tractor push that rootball onto your neighbor's property,and swear the storm did it. Tell him you cut everything up on your side and that mess is his..lol...just kidding..well sort of

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