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Doc, you baiting SOB you!

I had a cool experience this morning. I was walking out of the wood, with my climber, back pack, and gun. When I looked up the hill, and to my surprise stood two game wardens. They got a little chuckle watching me coming up the hill with all my gear, as I said give me a minute I'll be right there. First thing I did was remove the primer from my muzzleloader, when I realized they were there, and I was approaching them. Shows respect, and safety to the warden to make sure they understand everything is safe. So I finally made it up the hill out of breath, and sweating like I had just played a football game. I know these two guys got a kick out of watching this action. After the gentleman checked my licenses, we proceeded to have about a half hour conversation about DeerLogic. I was showing them data that was logged in the area, and they were most impressed when I showed them 3 hunt group members in other areas hunting. I'll tell you what these guys were pretty cool. I hear so much negetivity about wardens. But personally I have never had a bad experience with a warden. These people are the ones that are out there protecting us, and our wildlife. I will say that most people that look down on our wardens, are more than likely the ones breaking the law. Keep your nose clean and follow the law, and everyone can have a great relationship with their local wardens. We at DeerLogic have the up most respect for these men and women, and thank you for all you do for our great sport of hunting. Anyone else have a cool warden story??

Why we shoot deer in the wild: (A letter from someone who wants to remain anonymous, who farms, writes well and actually tried this) I had this idea ...that I could rope a deer, put it in a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it. The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it down) then hog tie it and transport it home. I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with my rope. The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well back. They were not having any of it. After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up-- 3 of them. I picked out a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and threw my rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me. I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation. I took a step towards it, it took a step away. I put a little tension on the rope, and then received an education. The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action when you start pulling on that rope. That deer EXPLODED. The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could fight down with a rope and with some dignity. A deer-- no Chance. That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined. The only upside is that they do not have as much stamina as many other animals. A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope. I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing, and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual. Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where I had cleverly arrested the deer's momentum by bracing my head against various large rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility for the situation we were in. I didn't want the deer to have to suffer a slow death, so I managed to get it lined back up in between my truck and the feeder - a little trap I had set before hand...kind of like a squeeze chute. I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could get my rope back. Did you know that deer bite? They do! I never in a million years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised when ..... I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist. Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a horse where they just bite you and slide off to then let go. A deer bites you and shakes its head--almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts. The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method was ineffective. It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes, but it was likely only several seconds. I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning that claim by now), tricked it. While I kept it busy tearing the tendons out of my right arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day. Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and their hooves are surprisingly sharp... I learned a long time ago that, when an animal -like a horse --strikes at you with their hooves and you can't get away easily, the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards the animal. This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you can escape. This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run. The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will hit you in the back of the head. Deer may not be so different from horses after all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down. Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head. I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went away. So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring a rifle with a scope......to sort of even the odds!! All these events are true so help me God...An Educated Farmer

Now down with the NY ban !!!!!!!!!!!

Virgil also just stated he is OK with the government telling you you cannot legally own a gun you legally bought and owned for years! He's OK with them telling you that you cannot give it to your son and you must turn it in. I'll bet he's also OK with the government telling you to pay hundreds of dollars a year to keep it too. That should tell you a lot about the mindset of some gun owners. As long as the law doesn't personally affect them, the hell with you! That sounds to me like giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

I personally think I became a better bowhunter when I started practicing at 40 yds and over. It makes those closer shots much easier.....

Do not buy into the appeasement theory. Realistically we know that that doesn't work. This is not a negotiation. The anti-gun folks are satisfied with only one result ... that being the complete removal of firearms from private ownership. Don't be fooled into thinking you can negotiate or trade in our rights and that it will result in them leaving the gun owner alone. You know better than that. And even if I believed for a second that appeasement would work, my rights are not for sale. As far as the mental health clauses of the so-called SAFE act, I seriously believe that there is a chance that it may decrease treatment of those exact mental illnesses that result in these cases of mass murder. I think that perhaps there may wind up more untreated, dangerously insane people on the street because of it. I don't know, but I do know that the doctor/patient confidentiality rules were established for a reason. And I belive that reason was to make people feel more confident in going in for treatment. And, unfortunately there is no choice between the mental health aspects of this law and the number of cartridges you can have in your magazine. So it's not an either/or situation. Improving the mental health care system ...... we have no disagreement there.

Its the reality of the issue though Belo. Believe me, there are things I feel would be just fine, like background checks, and a nationwide pistol permit system as long as all states reciprocate, but the antis never ever stop chipping away at our 2A rights. Nothing but a total outright ban is ever enough for them. You think they will stop, history has proven they wont.

The Gr. Rochester S. Tier Branch is in the midst of planning field days, one of the topics we are discussing is apple trees and there care 101. We are in the early stages, but we will announce on the forums details as they are developed. The Branch is about alot more than antlers, we truly want to make everyones deer hunting better, and antlers are only a portion of a true QDM program.

I'm going make the call in few minutes....lets hope they do the right thing and get this crossbow thing done with...legal in this state..theres been to many times the crooked politicians listened to the minority...do the right thing this time...make the crossbow legal.

Looks like they are a Unprotected Species ECL 11-0523 gives any New York State resident the right to capture: UNPROTECTED SPECIES, including Mammals: woodchuck, porcupine, eastern chipmunk, red squirrel, flying squirrels, moles, voles, mice, shrews, bats (except the Indiana bat), and rats (except the Allegheny woodrat) Birds: house sparrow, European starling, pigeon Reptiles: most snakes found in New York (except queen snake and rattlesnakes) and most turtles (except mud turtle; box turtles; bog turtle; Blanding's turtle; wood turtle, diamond-back terrapin; and sea turtles) And in CERTAIN SITUATIONS, some protected species including Mammals: bears (damaging livestock or apiaries); skunks; raccoons; coyotes; foxes; black, gray, and fox squirrels; opossums; weasels; varying hares, cottontail rabbits, and European hares. Birds: red-winged blackbirds, crows, common grackles, and cowbirds (damaging crops in June through October).

1 start with a kiss keep it simple stupid. 2 prior to buying anything go to a good pro shop and get measured for what your draw is, start with a bow in the 50 to 60 range if you are a adult male... 3 check out archery talk.com lots of good bows for sale in the 400 range compare to 900 for a new top of the line bow. 4 when buying arrow make sure the spine fits the bow peak weight and, draw length 5 a simple 3 pin sight in .029 fiber optic will meet all your needs. 6 get the bow if purchased used checked out and tuned at a pro shop and or if you have a buddy that can do it for you. 7 as you start to shoot say close in the 10 to 20 yard range, work on your form, as you get better groups of arrows then move back and get your pins signed in at 15, 25, 35 yards 8 have fun , you have started on a life long enjoyment

I know many friends who became cops and all were great guys and none had the little man complex, yet I have seen this personality first hand. Police, ECO or DEC are all human, some will have a little man or power complex while others will not... All these jobs come with entitlement and authority, some can handle it while it goes to others head. "Respect My Authority!" Just the way life is. Even as hunters some are ethical and others are not. I can honestly say most of the few tickets I received as a driver in NYS were deserved yet like many here state, it's easer to pay a 25$ fine than fight the ticket... Try to see it from their point of view. Sometimes they deal with some really shady characters and will have a bit of apprehension to them due to that. They could be frustrated at not getting the better job for the day and are stuck in a john boat waiting for some person to bring the kids to shore for fishing time... The boss could have given it to them for not writing enough tickets. The wife could be out of commission with a bun in the oven, or may be he lost his best friend and pet that week. Or he is just glad to be alive after last nights steak out... Point is we all have different things going on in life that can frustrate us. When dealing with any officers you best bet is to be polite, courteous and most of all respectful, 90 % of the time it is returned. The other 10 % could be in the last few sentences, or he could just be a jerk... I am sure you have someone at work who fits this profile just like you would see if you were on the force... The idiotic NO CAMPING tickets I received as a youth were deserved. The 25$ fine for forgetting to fill in the date of my 1st deer was deserved because these guys probably see poachers do it all the time... The one young officer I think would have let me go(Seeing my enthusiasm.) but the vet said NO write him up. Again I can't blame them for doing their job, and as a matter of fact I commend them. All the times I have been checked by DEC, ECO, Rangers or state police while hunting or fishing I have had no problems and have thanked them multiple times for protecting what I hold most precious. But like many (I hope!) I try to follow the game laws to the best of my ability and knowledge. Most recent check was at Otis Pike on LI while bow hunting, we checked out OK and spoke with the officer for about 15 min. They are a wealth of information if you ask the right questions... Always love hearing the stories of lost hikers from Bruce L. the forest ranger that use to patrol Moose River and now is in charge of Cedar river flow I believe. Met another DEC officer in Moose river while bow hunting, great guy and another good source of info, think he was just making sure I was Ok as I was solo for a week with rain every day... Never forget the 1st day Bruce L. the Ranger came to my camp when I first arrived to set up. I did not even get one piece of equipment out of the truck before he pulled up. He said "You have a GPS?" (Note: this was before GPS had maps...) I said "yes why?" he said get it out. I explained it was in the back of the truck and it might take some time, he said "OK I will wait..." So 20 min later I get out the GPS and he changes the map to UTM and has me mark my location. Then he shows me how to read it on the printed map and bingo I see where I am on the map, WOW. I could not thank him enough, now he says "you will always know where you are on the map..." Don't want to go into details on why he was so concerned about people getting lost but lets just say he did not want to drag me out, like the others it was getting monotonous. NFA-ADK

Do you use a bow sling? Does your bow fall forward after the release? If your patterns are the same then that's all good. IMO the stablizer gives just a bit of added weight so the bow falls forward consistantly when the arrow is loosed.

If it only had pure NY state maple syrup on it, then you would have a breakfast!

Cops shouldn't limited, neither should the general populace.

Exactly ! At least this guy didn't take out a bunch of people before doing himself in !

Obama is a disguise for a wolf in sheeps clothing. the way he seeks to bankrupt and weaken this country he could very well be the devil himself.

He should grow one first (sorry) and stop pandering.

i would use either one, and not complain one bit... these new red LED's are so far ahead of what we used years ago, depending on how it looks through your glass, will determine how far you can make a positive ID is all edit to add don't forget to keep a white light in your pocket for following blood trails, we spend so much time with red lights, I always forget to grab a white one, and following a blood trail with a red light sucks

So, I was putting my bowling ball into the back of the car and I spotted deer tracks walking right up to the car. I thought that was kind of cool, but I didn't know the half of it. When I got out to the bowling alley parking lot, I was behind the car to get my ball when I spotted a funny pattern of clean spots on the back of the car. I started to look at my pants to see what kind of a mess I got into when I realized that those clean spots weren't from rubbing my pants on the car. They were small "tongue-sized" marks. Those goofy deer were licking the salt off my car.....lol. I guess I have been maintaining an illegal salt-lick at my house.

State Police just confirmed that the suspect is dead.

Had the pleasure of running into my buddy again last evening. Seems that the reason they are so active in the area this year is that a bunch of people have been night hunting. That just sucks on so many levels, I wish people would just be legal. Above all I just wish everyone would be sports man. I think it is so funny how people do stuff like that, and when they shoot something that is big they act like its a trophy. Glad I'm a sportsman, and take pride in the hunt leading up to the harvest. I just wish everyone did. Although I know every hunter in their heart knows if what they are doing in the woods is right or wrong. Just do it right!!!! So much more fun

Whenever I encounter NYS DEC while fishing or hunting they don’t really bother me too much. On a boat they can be a PIA, but usually they just move along. However I hunt a lot of NY city property and their DEP folks aren’t that bright. About 4 years ago a shot a respectable 8 points (120 inches). After dragging it to the DEP parking area, the women DEP cop proceeds to check my license and the deer. She then asks me if it’s a male or female deer. The few other hunters in the parking lot almost fell over laughing at the poor women. I actually felt bad for her.

As far as my encounters, they have been positive. I deal with them on a different level than most. Both in hunter ed classes and court. However, if I meet them n the woods, or fishing, I treat them with the respect due for doing their jobs. But since I do not break the laws, and can prove I am not with such silly things as making sure my gun is unloaded, or my bow is disabled at the end of legal hunting hours, I have no reason to be worried. Granted, I doubt they would put the hammer on me, but with the same as the police officers I deal with stopped me for speeding, I would expect the ticket. You get what you give. The funny part of all these types of posts is in every scenario, the dec officer is expected to over look the laws and give everyone a break, or if they get a ticket ask the judge to give them a break. . Umm no obey the laws, there is no need to give anyone a break. Tow guys who have been hunting at my camp went down to 8j to hunt last week. They came home with a handful of tickets to include loaded gun in a vehicle and having an untagged deer in the vehicle. The first thing they whined to me this weekend was the officer was young and a prick. I said did you ave loaded guns in the truck and did you have an untagged deer. The response was yes but, umm there is no but. Break the law expect the tickets. You have to give respect to get respect.