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Simply put yes a faster arrow is more forgiving at longer distances, yes. Ncountry Thanks!!! Most people get confused with the faster bow's being less accurate when in most cases people who shoot them and can not get good grouping like to rely on this to say I DON"T NEED A FASTER BOW because they are not as accurate. Guese what accuracy is depenant on the shooter not the bow. SO to prove my point you can lock 2 bows in place and shoot both at 150 yards one at 100 fps slower. This locking of both bows will prevent shooter mistakes...Then tell me wich one does better on a day with high humidity and light winds at 150 yards. You need to check out something called arrow drift and arc and arrow flight times... In so far as some kid shooting long distance, I don't even need to see it, what does that have to do with anything here. SO he is a good shot, bet if you gave him a faster bow he would shoot even farther and more accurate... Never said long distance was impossible... I am willing to bet the person who is the best at the shoot has a bow that is around 300 fps or better... PS: MY 10 Pin goes out to 20 yards... I only have a 10-30-40 pin... Sorry did not mean to throw you off... And Yes a flatter shooting trajectory is what I am talking about Culver Creek. And compairing a bullet to a arrow is hard. But since you brought it up a flater shooting bullet is easery to calculate yes... Is it more accurate not neccesarily but again bullets are a lot dif than arrrows. And accuracy is more depenant on the shooter, and yes one person said shooting up was the same as shooting down... I did read the post, you might want to back a page... The problem with many "faster bow" was they were very unforgiving making them seem less accurate due to poor archer form, over bow and just plain old bad shooting... Does this make them less accurate, no. But it causes many archers to feel that way because they can not shoot them accurately... Try a new bow from 2012 they are extremly forgiving and have made more people start to shoot better at longer distances. And yes I was arguing just for the hell of it... BUT HE STARTED IT!!! LOL now that should get at least a chuckle out of some of you, including WNYBUCKhunter... All kiding aside and joking and poking fun over with for now, sorry for calling you all hicks but I consider myself one, I just live in da city!!! Looking forward to seeing you all at the range!!! Let the trash talk begin!!!

http://www.archersadvantage.com/TipSheets/UpDownHill.htm May be this will explain it better... Might want to read the last part if this page!!! Another direct quote supporting faster bow accuracy... Why do you adjust more for slow bows vs. fast bows? Because with a slow bow you must aim higher (larger Drop Angle) to compensate for arrow drop. The larger the Drop Angle, the more speed you lose for uphill shots as shown in the calculations above. AAPalm compensates for all of these factors when adjusting for uphill/downhill shots. Without this tool, only experience shooting on demanding uphill/downhill ranges can prepare you for the challenges of competition.

OK so shooting downhill is the same as shooting level OK SURE... You are smart... And shooting a 80 yard shot at lets say 50 yards above your target is the same as shooting 50 yards level sure... Again no one said you hicks were smart... In so far as shooting down hill ahh yes the gravitaional effect is dif. Why because again gravity will not affect the arrow as much when shooting downhill, will it have the same pull ahh yes you are so smart in figuring that out but guese what if you shoot directy down gravity will not change your shot and you will use the same pin if you are 10 feet or 1000 feet above it go figure that one out in your little minds... In so far as accuracy well I will just give up on that with you all. Yes I understand if you set up 2 bows at 60 yards they will both hit the target, yet a faster bow is as you put it less forgiving but guese what that equates to better accuracy especially for you guys who shoot at 30 yards from your tree stand 2 weeks before hunting and say ok time to put the bow away till the season starts...You all seem to think a slow shooting arrow will be just as good long distance as a fast one, well prove it... Again I am willing to prove my point. Is a faster arrow better at long distance shots for accuracy that is the original question and it is not based on just forgiveness of the arrow speed. Speed, archer practice and knowing trajectory is what makes a good archer yes and a faster arrow is more forgiving overall but guese what that equates to a better or shall I say smaller margin for error making the archer more effective and guese what MORE ACCURATE... Does not mean a faster shooting arrow is better it is just like you said more forgiving...=better accuracy... Get your best archer, I would like a expert if possible to prove my point on a none bias bases... We will set up a range of 5 targets at varied ranges with one pin on both bows. lets say we sight in at 50 yards for the one pin. We will have the expert shoot his bow at 300 fps at 5 targest past 40 yards up to 85 yards then do the same with a bow that shoots 100fps slower and come up with a accuracy report... Again no set distances or range finders... This was copied directy from that link thanks!!! You prove my points... "In the case of the Uphill Shot (a), what distance should the shooter use? Many archers give answers like "since it's uphill, just a little over 20 yards" while others give the answer "just a little under 20 yards". The correct answer is 10 yards. Even though the target is a full 20 yards away, the effect of gravity only acts during the horizontal travel component of the arrow. Now, for the tricky one: what distance should the shooter in the tree stand use? The answer is 7 ft. Again, gravity only affects the arrow over its horizontal travel of 7 feet. Most bows shoot fast enough so that there is negligible difference between a 7 ft shot and a 21 ft shot. But if we changed the distances in a downhill shot to a total distance of 210 feet (70 yards) and a horizontal distance of 70 ft (23 yards), the archers who aim this shot a little over or under 70 yards will not only miss, but probably end up losing an arrow. The curious point, and the one that is counter-intuitive to many people, is this: no matter whether you are shooting uphill, downhill, or level, correct for gravity based on the horizontal distance between you and the target." . I will give you all a few hours or days to dwell on that one... You might want to reread the article it explains the gravitational effect better. And no a arrow shot downhill is not the same as a level shot or a uphill shot proven by this article... Another quote: "Well, now you know why uphill/downhill shots are different from horizontal shots and each other. We've got a good start but you've seen having the horizontal distance to the spot is only part of the equation. Factors such as arrow speed and drag also play an important part." http://www.kingsmountainarchers.org/tips/angle-shots.html And no a wb change alone will not be very helpfull at long distances but if you remove that, change your arrow and tighten your limbs, remove silencers and do a few other things you can get better at longer distances... And WNYBUCKHunter lmao whats the matter Skippy no new insults is this getting to complicated for you? I only started this because of you dont let me down now!!! Again I will give you all a few days to try to understand the article and how gravity effects arrow trajectory. Otherwise just like a cross bow is not a bow in my mind, guese what a straighter shooting trajectory over long distances is more accurate in my mind... Yall just keep thinking the way you do...

So if a faster bow is not more accurate then why do all the pro archers like Rodger Willet Jr. use bows that shoot around 300fps which is FAST? Ask them why they don't shoot a more forgiving slower FPS bow... Because speed makes the arrow go down ranger, 1)Faster 2)less time in the air for wind to take effect, causing improved accuracy da... 3)Plain and simple if a arrow drops 3 feet in the last 5 feet of its trajectory it will be less accurate plain and simple. EX. If you are off about a 1/4 inch low with a slow bow it will equate to a much lower hit than with a faster bow at the same misjudgement...AT LONG DISTANCE! In so far as a bow shooting from a tree stand at 30 yards... Well unless the deer is on the same level as your stand you are shooting down hill. When shooting downhill or at lets say 45deg angle your arrow has much less drop. So shooting a 30 yard shot from a tree stand at a 45deg. angle is the equivelant of shooting a 10 yard shoot due to less gravitional pull... Or mabe your tree stand is only 2 feet off the ground in that case sure 30 yards is 30 yards... Or mabe you are up 30 yards and shooting straight down equaling no drop at all... Point is when shooting down hill gravity takes less effect. I have about a 37 yard downhill shot at my range that I use a 15 (low)yardage estimate to hit center mass... Again depends on angle... Other factors in speed of arrow and wieght take effect too, this is just a estimate and will change depending on those factors, yet with my bow for a 30 yard tree stand shot I use my 10 yard pin and nail it... So accourding to what you are all saying a traditional bow that shoots very slow should be just as accurate at 40 yards as I am with my compound at 40 yards sure right I believe you but my tommy gun don't!!! And yes this was about long distance shooting, I never said anything about a stationary target. So after you all get your bow's sighted in at 40-60-80 yards we will have a shooting competition and see if the faster bows get better accuracy... No standard yardage. Wonder who will estimate better and have better accuracy... Required to do: 2 bows- 1 that shoots 100 fps slower... Will any bow set up at long distance hit the stationary target, yes. But a faster bow will be more accurate at long distance with estimating target distance, and target speed. Again a trajectory that drops more than 4-5 feet at it's max shooting distance will have reduced accuracy at that distance plain and simple. If you pull back on the string and do not hold the same exact pull length on the bow with a slower trajectory you might not even reach the target, yet you would not even notice this with a fast trajectory... And yes I know this has to do with form... I have my bow set up with a 40yard pin at roughly 250 fps how far above a target do I need to aim to hit a 80 yard shot? If I had a bow that shoot 100 fps faster how far above a 40 yard pin would I have to aim to hit the 80 yard target? Now after getting both sighted in at 80 yards which is easyer to figure out where to aim at 70 yards? The slower bow will have a 3-5 or more foot window where as the faster bow will have a say 1-2 ft max window EST... Making estimates at differant ranges easyer to figure out on the fly... And that is why I consider a faster shooting arrow more effective at long distance shooting. PS: After we do the 60-80yard shots we will go extreme long distance and see who can hit the target at 100 yards with the same 2 bows, wonder wich will be easyer to calculate? When all is said and done I will do a Accuracy report for all of you. Now where is there a range with over 100 yards availible, mine is maxed at 80 yards... And I dont think thrill of the hunt has that distance or high enough roof to shoot a slow bow that far.

No skippy is only for you WNYBuck, you started it so I will only keep it with you ok Skippy. Since I stupped to your level of insults I will try to go slow and explain to you what I am talking about so your little brain can understand. If you use a bow that shoots 200 fps and misjudge by one pin you will miss your target at 60 yards. With a fast bow you will only hit about a few inches off. And yes this does have to do with arrow drop, guese what a arrow that drops 2-5 feet in a 10 yard distance is going to be much harder to estimate making faster shooting bows more accurate at long distance, I never said anything about a stationary target... This is at varying ranges... Anyone can shoot a bow at long distance yet figuring out and calculations with distance angle and drop is what makes a bow more accurate at long distance at varied angles and no set distance. No range finder used... Bet when you ask one of those sharp shooters to use a bow that is 100 FPS slower they will laugh in you FACE... Why, ask them... I am sure they will explain it to you all why fps matters... In so far as hitting a target from a tree stand at 30 yards. LOL funny that is the equivelant of shooting 10 yards so your groups are not that impressive... Wonder if I can get that grouping lol... You are great!!! Again I will be out at the 3d shoot to explain further if anyone is really interested...

Yea right and you know this because you know me so well. I shoot 2 -3 times a week year round... That is why I know wtf I am talking about... We will have a shoot in less than 2 weeks I am willing to show you what I am talking about if we can do a long distance thier. See how well you all shoot when I turn down your bow to 200 fps at varied distances... But just like this bs discussion I am willing no one will take my challenge...

OK so a arrow that drops 3 feet after 60 yards at 61 yards is easy to calculate and the arrow that drops only a half inch is going to be the same easy calculation? What about when you shoot at 57 yards? Not so easy to predict due to larger drop with slower arrow. Yea it's easy to sight a 60 yard pin on any bow, yet when shooting a variety of distances a flater trajectory has less drop making the calculations easer. In so far as a LIGHT bow shooting 300 fps, well 300 fps is pretty dam fast if the bow is turned down making it easer to shoot and still shooting 300 fps that is a lot faster than the 200 fps bow and will be easyer to shoot that long distance. And the reason they tune it down is because they shoot a lot and can not hold heavy poundage all day AND be accurate... No one ever accused you hicks of being smart so I will just leave it at that... Ok skippy... Original enough?

OK so lets see your groups... And how about you tune that one bow down to 200 fps and then see how easy it is to shoot. Again lets see you prove it, bet I can prove my point... My MQ1 shoot about 245 fps I am willing to purchase a new bow and test how accurate both are at 60 yards... Bet I shoot better with a fast shooting arrow... But again you will just say " both are the same" so again live in your world skippy, and ps if skippy bothers you don't use it with other people... Otherwise that is your nick name from now on... Real easy to say on the internet I can shot bull's at 60 yards with a bow shooting 200 fps... Sure you can skippy.

WOW! Would be nice to hear the story. Amazing...

Way to convert Skillet!!! I need one of those!!! No not the ram, lol. A vegan I can convert to the other side!!! IF i had to use a preserve to get a coversion it would be done!!! Great job and nice ram!!!

Good luck in the new job!!!

Mabe you should try shooting both a 200 fps and a 300 fps at 60 yards and see which one is easyer to shoot long distance... Otherwise just keep living in your world skippy...

I disagree, a faster shooting arrow is easyer to calculate at longer distances. Sorry. Plain and simple the faster the trajectory the less drop making long distance shooting more effective. But believe what you want skippy.

Agreed, awsome pics!!!

Crazy weather, I wish we could get a nice cold spell for a few weeks before spring to kill off some more bugs but i doubt that will happen... Hopefully it will at least help some deer survive with this mild winter.

I shot 5 my 1st week of shooting my bow and yes the novelty wore off quick when I had to buy new arrows. I now shoot at dif targets ever shot, unless shooting 40 yards or further... Nice shot in a tounament, impressive!!! Never done that yet...

I just purchased the quad HD for my MQ1 about 4 months ago and it works great!!! Cost about 110 on the internet but it is worth it. I went through about 5 rests untile getting this one, including the whisker biskuit. One additional plus is extra fps on you arrow due to less resistance making longer shots easer to calculate...

Good for him! He did it legal and now the citiots are mad... Good post!!!

It seems the best possible solution is logging. Next question is how can this be accomplished?

Congrats!!! Apparently you are a marketable comodity, nice sell!!! Best of luck in the new job...

Very cool thanks for posting pic's guys!

OK Joe and WNYbuck hunter I guese everyone who is going to hunt with a cross bow will not have it loaded while hunting, is that what you are saying because I realize a gun or Xbow without a bolt or bullet in it is safe, da... As safe as a bow... ahhhhh lol I would like to line up 3 weapons all loaded like you said WNYBuck 2)Any gun 3)compound bow 4)Xbow Guese what only 2 weapons will kill you because if the trigger is pulled with 2 by accident while hunting you can die, no so with a bow plain and simple... Getting stabbed with a broadhead is not the same as getting shot with a Xbow or gun! Even loaded like you said a bow can not fire the arrow untile pulled back; and that is the only reason Xbows are more dangerous. You all seem to think I am against Xbow's, I am just trying to make a point. A loaded weapon is more dangerous. A Xbow will be the same as having a gun IMO at least for me, im sorry that is just how I feel. I will get one if they give a special season for it... I have shot them and they are easy to shoot and can shoot far... No practice for that weapon needed at least for me, simple trajetory know how... Hunting is not unsafe, yea tell that to the widow who lost her husband to a shotgun during black powder season that was not included in the DEC safest of all the states report... You want to think it is safe but guese what any time you enter the woods while hunting season is on, it is dangerous plain and simple. You people all seem to forget about the orange army, IF HUNTING WAS SOOOOOO SAFE why bother with orange??????? Firearms are dangerous that is why... O wait it's not the gun it's the idiot behind it, da... silly me... Compairing a chicken bone to a Xbow is funny I will remember that one for a long time thanks. No problem with having KFC for a kids B-day party unsupervised but a Xbow ahh no. Not saying you would not do it but with excessive supervision... Why ... because any weapon can kill you that is why. I am not saying hunting in general is not safe but im sorry I played many sports and never was getting SHOT a possibility... That is why hunting is dangerous. Mabe im just giving my deep woods or shall I say Public land opinion. I am sorry if many of you hunt your "safe" area's and never have to worry about getting a bullet flying past you but it happens and anyone who thinks that hunting does not have a chance of danger is just kidding themselves... Life is risk, hunting takes that to a new level anyone who has climed a clif, ledge or dangerous wet rocky downhill trail way back and alone knows this forget about getting shot how about just not breaking a leg!!! Add onto the fact that idiots hunt and yes hunting can be a lot more dangerous than well lets say eating a chicken leg... But if you hunt your land I guese some may consider that safe in your own little worlds... Try reading up on the accident reports and then compair them to the stats like you all love to bring up. Funny how the #'s don't add up wonder why? If you get killed on your atv while going to your stand you are NOT hunting... one example. Hunting report does not include late season. example 2 .- You really do not want me to start posting facts on this and guese what I dont want to... Ask a mom why she is concerned about her son hunting... Mabe if you all knew someone who's husband was killed while hunting you might have a dif perspective... Safe yes hunting is a safe "sport" yet it is as relative to chances you take and the idiots that take chances or shall I say shots around you... You want to say it is a recruitment tool fine. Make it have it's own season that will get more money for the state and get more people buying the weapon for that single use...Including that into archery season is not going to recruit hunters with archery equipment as much as a separate season would... Otherwise a Xbow is just a gun that shoot bolts. Only similarity to a bow is limbs and a string... I am not changing my oppinion on the weapon, does not mean I will not use the weapon... Again the DEC will do anything for more money and you all go along with the yea it's a recruitment tool thing. Sure this will get all the kids into hunting, give me a brake. If a firearm is not enough a Xbow is sure to fail...

Dispicable to say these people are hunters. Hunting takes skill weather you are in a tree stand on private propterty with 3 achers or are stalking a buck miles in the wilderness. This should be called hmm not sure but not hunting. More like shooting fish in a barrel. To be proud of this kill is just stupid. Took me over 20 years to accertain my 1st mature buck and I had to work for it... Nothing I am more proud of than gettting the skills, disiplin, knowledge and luck to get this mature deer. This is just lazy stupid money pen hunt. This is what people with no class and no respect for the animal and themselfs do to say "I am a hunter"... You could not pay me to hunt in any fenced area ever... GRRRRRRR this just pisses me off!!!! Pathetic to call this hunting. Need a new name for this crap. Killpen$hunt?

He is crazy and I do not believe he is the best rep but he gets his point made and that is what I like about him. I would rather have a crazy help us out with firearm ownership because as we have all seen w/PETA they have enough nuts over there all ready... We need to keep one or two on our side lol...

Man what a drag that would be out of the woods!!! Wow that is a big bear!