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I can figure out very well when someone is trying to do some duping as you put it and you are a prime example of a duper! Al

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out, all one has to do is look at the vote on legislation and who stands for what, that and AR out and out bragging makes it pretty easy. Al

Yes being a hunting dog breeder and trainer for over fifty years and doing some small scale farming on the side all this Democrat backed animal rights stuff I come up with is all a figment of my imagination! Al Animal Agriculture and Purpose-Bred Animals "The best bet for the horses would be to stop betting on the Derby and other horse races, and to stop breeding, racing and killing thoroughbreds altogether" Ingrid Newkirk, Huffington Post, May 5, 2011. Speaking of the HSUS California ballot initiative against egg production: "People know what happened in California, and they know it can happen again and again. They know that no group has passed more ballot measures than we have. They know we have a focused strategy. They know we have a budget of $150 million a year. And they know we're ready for a fight." Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO, Humane Society of the United States, Los Angeles Times, April 7, 2010. "Producing animals for sale is a greedy and callous business in a world where there is a critical and chronic shortage of good homes for dogs, cats, and other animals, and the only "responsible breeders" are ones who, upon learning about their contribution to the overpopulation crisis, spay or neuter their animals, and get out of the business altogether." - PETA, "Animal Rights Uncompromised: There's No Such Thing as a 'Responsible Breeder' - current website "We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding. . One generation and out. We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding." Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP of Humane Society of the US, formerly of Friends of Animals and Fund for Animals, Animal People, May, 1993 When asked if he envisioned a future without pets, “If I had my personal view, perhaps that might take hold. In fact, I don’t want to see another dog or cat born.” Wayne Pacelle quoted in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 266. "[A]s the surplus of cats and dogs {artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship--enjoyment at a distance." Ingrid Newkirk, "Just Like Us? Toward a Notion of Animal Rights", Harper's, August 1988, p. 50. "[Animal] Fancies provide an escape from the real world, a sense of purpose in a lot of purposeless lives, a chance to play God by breeding animals, and a chance to play celebrity by showing them." Phil Maggitti, The Animals' Agenda, December 1991. "Breeders must be eliminated! As long as there is a surplus of companion animals in the concentration camps referred to as "shelters", and they are killing them because they are homeless, one should not be allowed to produce more for their own amusement and profit. If you know of a breeder in the Los Angeles area, whether commercial or private, legal or illegal, let us know and we will post their name, location, phone number so people can write them letters telling them 'Don't Breed or Buy, While Others DIE.'" "Breeders! Let's get rid of them too!" Campaign on Animal Defense League's website, September 2, 2003. "I'm not only uninterested in having children. I am opposed to having children. Having a purebred human baby is like having a purebred dog; it is nothing but vanity, human vanity." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's founder and president, New Yorker magazine, April 23, 2003 "Our goal is to make [the public think of] breeding [dogs and cats] like drunk driving and smoking." Kim Sturla, former director of the Peninsula Humane Society and Western Director of Fund for Animals, stated during Kill the Crisis, not the Animals campaign and workshops, 1991 "The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind," Ingrid Newkirk, founder, president and former national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Animals, May/June 1993 "My goal is the abolition of all animal agriculture." JP Goodwin, employed at the Humane Society of the US, formerly at Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade, as quoted on AR-Views, an animal rights Internet discussion group in 1996.

My favorite kind of hunting along with some pretty tasty eating, got my rimfires tuned for the task and will hit the timber for sure. Al

Spot on WOLC, as the old saying goes "practice makes perfect", air rifles teach all the necessary skills to be a good shot and teach those lessons for not a whole lot of money. Al

Because of my involvement with hunting dogs the main adversary for me has been HSUS because they have directly affected hunting with dogs throughout the country. They have closed down hunting with Hounds in California for just about everything, Bear, Lion, Bobcat etc. and seriously limited Hound use for hunting in several other western states. I watched them successfully shut down Bear hunting with Dogs right here in NY state. As I previously mentioned they will target what they perceive to be the weakest link and bring on the assault. There were only a few folks that hunted Bear in NY with dogs so they were an easy mark. I myself am no Bear hunter but I got into the fray because I am a big believer that the outdoor sports are all interconnected with each other and as Ben Franklin put well "Hang together or hang separately!" When any part of the outdoor life comes under attack I try my best to help and do something and the excuse I hear sometimes for doing nothing "it don't effect me." That is lame because believe me your turn is coming and they will be after you eventually. We had a good man named Mike Bragman that introduced a Bill to reinstate Bear hunting with dogs, this was over thirty years ago there were no computers and email. We sent letters got on the phones and asked for support from everyone involved in the outdoors. It was a tough fight but we got that bill passed though the gauntlet and on to the Governor's desk and signature who happened to be the first king Cuomo "Mario"! Well guess what, instead of siding with his own people he fell in step with the outside pressure of HSUS and refused to sign it. So there you go! I will end it here because Geenhunter will be getting after me for a long post but believe me there are plenty more incidents of animal rights incursion on our sport, right now "trapping" is their big focus. I have listed a few of their quotes below and one can plainly see their plan of attack and I can tell you all first hand that it works so take them seriously and remember they are Democrats! Al ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States ... We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state. Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP Humane Society of the US (HSUS), formerly of Friends of Animals and Fund for Animals, Full Cry Magazine, October 1, 1990. "As a matter of principle, The HSUS opposes the hunting of any living creature for fun, trophy, or sport because of the animal trauma, suffering, and death that result." Retrieved April 4, 2012, from the policy statements on HSUS' website “The entire animal rights movement in the United States reacted with unfettered glee at the Ban in England ...We view this act of parliament as one of the most important actions in the history of the animal rights movement. This will energise our efforts to stop hunting with hounds.” Wayne Pacelle, CEO, Humane Society of the US (HSUS), London Times, December 26, 2004 "If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would." Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP Humane Society of the US (HSUS), formerly of Friends of Animals and Fund for Animals, Associated Press, Dec 30, 1991 "Our goal is to get sport hunting in the same category as cock fighting and dog fighting." Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP Humane Society of the US (HSUS), formerly of Friends of Animals and Fund for Animals, (Bozeman (MT) Daily Chronicle, October 8, 1991

I have been involved in legislative hunting issues for many years and know how these folks operate, I suggest that the folks here take them seriously. Take a moment to look over what spews proudly from their own mouths. Hunting, Fishing, Farming, Trapping and Pet Ownership all are targets and believe me they are not fooling around. One more thing although they can not publicly endorse any political party because of Tax status, but it is no secret they overwhelmingly support and vote for Democrats and expect and get favors for doing so. http://www.naiaonline.org/naia-library/articles/quotes-from-the-leaders-of-the-animal-rights-movement/

I will say the reason we are seeing the issues of Law and Order being brought up so vigorously in this campaign year is exactly because of what is going on right now which happens to be 2020. There is zero doubt in my mind that crime statistics are going to be much different these past two years compared to those old ones from 2018. Al

I will guarantee the numbers when tallied from 2020 will be showing a much different picture from 2018. Al

Back in the day you sure as Hell did not want to be known as a "Cornholer" , "Bungholer" a term which actually fit the deed better was another used. Gay is another word that was used commonly when I was kid now means something totally different. I played ball with a fellow whose last name is Gay, I am betting he is not too happy these days. The poor guy had a wife that can only be described as a psycho that brow beat him with no mercy. This guy was also a hunter and frequented the sporting goods store I worked in back then. He came in one day with that Wench wife of his in tow and she was squawking up a storm telling him he is not to spend a red cent and to make her point clear she came over to me and started, "under no circumstance was I to sell him anything!!" I in turn yelled over to him just kidding "if she was my wife she would be in a body cast. She really went into orbit then, instead of taking it out on me she ran over to him and got in his face screeching if he ever hit her she would have him arrested! Good Lord!! Al

My best Hunting Dogs were almost always the ones living in my house. Obedience and handling are a couple of things that are on the top of my list when training any dog, when you are around them 24-7 your hunting dog gets to know what is allowed and what is not non stop. Nothing better than a great hunting dog that also handles like a dream. Al

The thread veered off from it's initial subject of gun confiscation because of the accusation we are one issue voters which is far from the truth. "Gun Control" and "Hunting Rights" are a main issue of concern for members of this board because it is after all a hunting board. That being said the laundry list of issues against the radical Democrats is much much more and a few were just were pointed out to show that, I think the thread's content is very good as it exposes some pretty sick thinking and rationale. Al

No way I am dropping it and I am not going to give in an inch when it comes to these people and you are perfect case of someone in denial and does not have a clue LELAND! https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/lifestyle/10-anti-hunting-organizations

When it comes to animal rights groups and hunting and you think they are going along with any kind of sport hunting ideology you are about as wrong as can be, Hell some of them think it is wrong to own a dog! Make no mistake about it, all of them are out to shut us down PERIOD!!!! I have been in this fight for many years and have seen plenty of erosion, California is the perfect example of Democrat control and it's effects on hunting and shooting, all of it is down in that state big time! Also Europe, I have friends in the hunting dog world over there and watched for years and seen almost all hunting and gun ownership go down the toilet. The AR groups are using many of the same tactic used over there here, it is chip away a little bit at a time starting with the weakest groups. They are sneaky! I belong to have have contributed to many of the organizations below along with NY local organizations. They give a heads up on current legislation and I try to be fully informed of these radical's agendas and how they plan to implement them. One more thing, If they could shut this board down they would do it in an instant! Top 10 Pro-Hunting Organizations NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. SPORTSMEN’S ALLIANCE. SAFARI CLUB INTERNATIONAL. DUCKS UNLIMITED. NATIONAL WILD TURKEY FEDERATION. QUALITY DEER MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. ROCKY MOUNTAIN ELK FOUNDATION. BOONE AND CROCKETT CLUB. MULE DEER FOUNDATION. PHEASANTS FOREVER.

A powerful post Sir and one I agree with totally! Al

That is your opinion not mine Pal SAVVY!

Sorry I don't believe in killing babies period, if beam me up Scotty is OK with you that's your choice but not mine and there is no way in Hell you can make me feel any guilt about my belief! Al

LOL! I do not get any news from the internet I get my information from the Horse's mouth. I watched the Dem debates, I watched the DNC convention and listened to what was said on the Sunday shows doing interviews of Dem leadership, All I have listed is stuff that came directly from party members and as for Abortion yes it does concern me, I stuck my head in the sand for many year not wanting to know anything about it. As the old saying goes "What You Don't Know Won't Hurt You" but 63 million babies killed since Roe is pretty hard for me to sweep under the rug at this time in my life knowing what I do. In my mind you did not make a believable argument on any of the above, I will take your party at their own words! Al

As much as I am a hunting and gun fanatic it is not at the top of my issues when it comes to party and voting. Abortion is now at the top of my list and I am against it big time and especially so after reading detailed accounts of what actually occurs during the procedure. I have always said and still before anyone who is in power voting for or against abortion laws they must have to view that actual procedure first, I am sure there are plenty of videos out there somewhere in abortion land if they have the guts to watch one. I crack up when the Dems are so passionate about Trump's covid response and he is the main fault of all the deaths associated with covid. Yet they have no problem with the killing of unborn human babies by the millions. On the fence? if you did not see this woman at the RNC convention who ran a planned parenthood you should. it is only a few minutes long.

Far more than a single issue!!! Open borders with free health care to those that come through. Abortion on demand Universal healthcare Reimagine our Police forces (DEFUND)! Abolish ICE How about free college! There ain't nothing like the word "FREE" to suck someone in! Hell yes we are coming for your guns, all on stage applauded! And that is just the tip of the iceberg! Sue the NRA into oblivion! Tax increases by the trillions! The Green New Deal which is a nuclear bomb of wacko regulations that will bring the economy to it's knees along with devastating hardships. Ask them how much they support the Outdoor Sports? Every single anti hunting, anti shooting, anti fishing, anti trapping, animal rights group in this country support Democrats! How much do these activities matter to you? Trade deals that stick it to our own workers! Kiss their ass foreign policy! Tearing down our history! No Law and Order! ANARCHY IS OK! All one needs to do is take a look at Democrat controlled cities, Chicago, NY, Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, St Louis, Baltimore, it is all out there to see if one takes the time to take a serious look!

Sad, this is what insurance companies refer to as hard to prove Jewish Lighting, in recent years the old Savage factory has been set on fire several times and it looks like this time the job was done right, can be sure the owners will shed no tears. My Dad worked there before going into the Navy during WW2 and I have his model 99 30-30 from that era. They also produced fine Fox Double shotguns. There was a day when NY State was the mecca for US gun manufacturers, LC Smith, Lefever, Baker, Ithaca, Parker, Savage and Fox, all gone except for Remington which is hanging by a thread with non stop lawsuits and a Democratic governor that would like nothing better than to see them fold like the others. Al

Got a ten foot screen for inside, hangs and drops down from the ceiling, the picture on this thing is great, much better than this photo shows, movie night anytime. James Bond, "Her Majesty's Secret Service"

The Democrats have plenty of ideas of their own, they laid out their agenda during the debates and what is said by them personally every day as reported in the news. Open borders with free health care to those that come through. Universal healthcare Reimagine our Police forces (DEFUND)! Abolish ICE How about free college! There ain't nothing like the word "FREE" to suck someone in! Hell yes we are coming for your guns, all on stage applauded! And that is just the tip of the iceberg! Sue the NRA into oblivion! Tax increases by the trillions! The Green New Deal which is a nuclear bomb of wacko regulations that will bring the economy to it's knees along with devastating hardships. Ask them how much they support the Outdoor Sports? Every single anti hunting, anti shooting, anti fishing, anti trapping, animal rights group in this country support Democrats! How much do these activities matter to you? Trade deals that stick it to our own workers! Kiss their ass foreign policy! Tearing down our history! No Law and Order! ANARCHY IS OK! All one needs to do is take a look at Democrat controlled cities, Chicago, NY, Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, St Louis, Baltimore, it is all out there to see if one takes the time to take a serious look! Man I am getting tired typing but I will say this, this election is all about platform and policy not personalities, I am not voting for a "Miss Congeniality" I am voting for a platform that supports my life and interests. Besides GreenHunter does not like me making long posts and will reprimand me if I keep going on and on! Al

In my opinion there is still a place for Deet based repellents especially in the summer months when there is a lot of exposed skin. I basically live in the woods and when outside I am ringing the dinner bell for every biting insect or bug known to inhabit the North East such as Black Flies, Deer Flies, Horse Flies, no see ums, Mosquitoes, etc. The Mosquito pools up this way have been tested and shown to carry West Nile and Triple E. While I spray down my hunting clothes with permethrin and some of my other outdoor specific clothing I do not spray down every article of clothing I wear with permethrin, and also permethrin is not recommended to be used on exposed skin so traditional repellent has it's place in my world. By the way since we are talking about biting insects my wife purchased a bug killer on QVC at the beginning of the summer, I was a non believer myself but it was her dime so it was her gamble. So sitting out on the deck just before dark was impossible, the mosquitoes came out of the woodwork and would eat you alive. Since this Dyna Trap has been hanging outside in operation that problem has virtually vanished. This thing catches bugs by the thousands and I have to say I was totally wrong about it's effectiveness, it really does work. Al Have you heard the buzz? Nope. No buzz at all. That's because the DynaTrap XL does all the trapping without any zapping. Ultraviolet bulbs, carbon dioxide, and a built-in fan are what DynaTrap uses to keep bugs at bay.