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wouldn't work for most of the state, let alone the whole state. DMPs could be for applicable areas, available at will over the counter. if you walk out of the woods with a buck or report a buck take from that WMU or specific town you'd better have had a doe reported from there as well. rolling out of the woods with both taken in a sit. fine. report them both. want to hunt there for a buck but don't want to do your part and shoot a doe? tough. enforcement works the same way everything else does when one WMU's harvest is different from another. from what I've heard it's not really DEC's preference at the moment. ease of implementation carries a lot of weight with them. no reason to create administrative nightmares for DEC, if you can help it.

sounds like a good time.

people in general only see and appreciate what's in front of them. they have to experience how hunting deer with older bucks is first hand. with DEC claiming that biologically the herd is as great as they claim, passing young bucks is currently to them a social issue only and therefore everything is voluntary. despite their disowning the biological benefits of passing yearling bucks, DEC still has to own their statement of encouraging those to pass yearlings. DEC is slow to do anything without majority the public pushing for it. so move on to us and forget DEC... first everyone has to know what the heck a yearling buck looks like that includes non-hunters that are willing and care too. it has to be put out their so much that indicators of a yearling buck start to become common knowledge. to back that up, after harvest there's nothing to say hunters' shouldn't itch their curiosity to know if what they took is a yearling or older. looking at their teeth it's not hard to tell if it's a fawn, yearling, or older based on their teeth. at those very early stages it's not subjective or based on wear. a tooth is there or not. a tooth has this many cusps or not. if I can teach multiple elementary school kids within 20 minutes, the general public learn it. next people always ask why. some basic items based on antler increases, hunting experiences observed, and biological benefits should all be put out there. you might value a particular benefit differently than the next person, but I assure you there's something their for anyone to appreciate. people will probably forget all but the one or two their that really appeal to them. still ok, as long as the general understanding remains that it's great to pass yearlings. we've got to ditch the state of mind that my needs should be your needs, outside of what's good for deer. subjective reasons for not passing a yearling are still okay. every yearling doesn't and won't live but anything short of an honest effort will lead to too many being harvested to help the situation. although subjective we need to understand that our peers will get over any reason they can understand. first time hunters, youth, the old man that just wants to take one buck close to the homestead just to stay in the tradition that is our sport, to maybe the guy working three jobs with little time to hunt, or the enlisted being deployed. the biggest part of any of those is the person pulling the trigger has to be sincere and own the harvest. DEC doesn't manage the deer. we do. if there's any doubt, regret, or lack of an honest effort then be ready for your peers to give you crap for it. i'll say it again. DEC owns their statement and we respectfully own the honest trigger pull. the last question... start using trophy as more of an accomplishment versus something better than the rest. even so, in my opinion ditch the use of the word trophy so much. still use it but not as often. if someone didn't understand the context of something you said, would you keep saying the same thing and hope it'll work itself out? no. you rephrase, use a different word, or tack on something brief to elaborate. maybe even do the latter to begin with. my opinion Rob.

my neighbor's yard is nicely mowed, including on my side of the line. survey pin is pounded down into the ground with a wooden stake. out in the "their" yard. we get along fine. it's an older lady and son stops in to mow her yard.

as far as I know the only thing on the table is extended antlerless only seasons from what I've been told by DEC. this post through me off a bit. earn a buck would only be good for WMU or areas surrounding the major cities or populated areas where there's a problem and hunting is allowed; long island, Albany, Syracuse, buffalo, Ithaca, etc. aside from that even in areas of region 8 I'd think it'd be too much harvest pressure. I've only hunted in a couple areas out toward buffalo though so maybe I'm wrong. only area around here i think it'd work would be 4J Albany. forget if you don't like the idea. throwing the question out there... in your opinion, would it be ok for population control in your WMU or be too much?

college dorm they recently built near the office has all landscaped ground and banks around it. when I leave work I drive by at prime time in the evenings for chucks to be out. I think there's double the holes there was last summer. every landscaped and mulched tree has a mound of dirt at it's base and a handful of burrows in the bank going under the ball field. it's like a prairie dog town out west. lol

there's definitely a lull between now and the time we cut a hay field that depends on the weather/rain. grass is definitely tall. setting up watching sides of hills or knolls are best now.

most of the farm is hay fields. with limited time I walk to the field, glass, and then shoot a chuck or move on. if all I had was a 22LR I'd have to setup on the closest wood line and wait for it to come back out or come out period. not as productive. also unless you pop them in the head with a 22LR sized bullet they can crawl back into the hole. not the best way to die and if other another chuck is in the hole it'll leave and go find a new one or most likely dig a new one nearby. a chuck will clean out an old hole if it finds it and push out any skeletal remains though that have been cleaned off underground.

I agree about the fur. As for eating them I'm not in a position to comment. I leave them for fox, coyote, or the like. I figure it's makes them less inclined to go seeking out fawns. As soon as you walk away a fox family will come right out to get it if you drop it near their den.

Went for a quick walk today as I happened to be at the farm. I think this one was remodeling the way he was mounding up the dirt. Filled back in. Hard to keep nice hay fields around here.

could be either. just had a field down the road from me planted in corn. different later day corn based on planting later. you can get like 77 day corn if you're in a bind getting all your acreage planted.

fridge is getting low... growler empty. Friday. Close to a beer run.

yup same link I posted yesterday. lol makes you wonder with better winter habitat how well off he'd be the following late summer.

later season is hard to judge bucks that have shed antlers and button bucks from adult doe. it will happen and that's ok but if hunters are just dropping button bucks left and right without a care then they lack the understanding why antler restrictions are probably there in the first place. also sounds like pounding of doe and unlimited antlerless deer take leading to a decimated herd sounds like mis-management and maybe the brakes should've been tapped a couple times on what was implemented to increase harvest. I don't know where and much about where you're talking about though. just going off what you've typed. ...with some changes I can see you easily getting those bucks back in a few years.

bill numbers are assembly: A10037 and senate: S07187. It through me off for a second because it mentioned the senate bill # and then referenced the assembly. I went to look at it and it was a horse racing bill because I put in the wrong #. haha that's good news though! immediate effect is a good thing. probably that way because it doesn't effect fines and what not? I don't know. the poaching bill has a 120 day grace period, so it's under a time crunch to get voted in by the senate in time for this fall.

joe have you contacted Savage Arms? that's the first place i'd start. might not have an answer right away but i'm sure they could figure it out.

sometimes you just have to roll with what you've got. my parent's farm is on the boarder of our QDM co-op. that boarder is a little woods that boarders a village. I don't think it's as bad as your situation but I do know stuff dies down there. hard to tell what as theirs just too many hunters hunting too many parcels to keep in contact with to know. it's pretty public what our standards are so they might not be shooting anything legal but hard to say.

anyone know how to deal with crabgrass and weeds in a lawn of 2+ acres other than buying around 20 bottles of concentrated Ortho Weed-B-Gone and spraying it from a sprayer?

it can be tough to find private hunting ground and tough to deal with other hunters trying to hunt the same public ground, but hunter recruitment is always a good thing. that's why I'm for crossbows despite not having intentions of getting one. if DEC pursues the September season and crossbows are legislated in as normal archery weapons then it'll be like turkey hunting. foliage will still be on trees, grass will be green, could be warm with the sun shining, only the deer will look a little better than they do this time of year, having more meat on their bones.

congrats on a nice bird. canopy is getting thick, the grass is getting tall, and it's getting warm. hopefully I can get out.

7000+ pics is definitely a lot no matter what you do. haha trails I have it set to burst mode to take 2 pictures. fields usually do in field scan mode. don't setup on trails coming into fields or hedgerows anymore. I use smaller cards too but it seems harder and harder to find cards less than 8GB. I'm not one for getting videos.

i'll say 2.5 or 3.5 yrs old but tough to tell during late winter and spring months at times. the angle skews things versus closer and perfectly broadsided. depends a lot on how much browse or crops carrying deer later into the season. bucks around here make big swings on some properties due to the lack of winter habitat around. we're working on that though. check out this link.... https://www.qdma.com/articles/see-one-bucks-amazing-post-rut-decline-and-recovery?utm_source=Ntl+Newsletter+5%2F19%2F2016&utm_campaign=Ntl+Newsletter+5%2F19%2F16&utm_medium=email

some of the biggest bucks I've seen around here get shot end up never getting put into any record. saw a set of antlers, sawed off at skull plate, in a basement, collecting dust and spider habitat that was shot "out back". it had so much mass carrying to each beam and tine tip that the 19 7/8" inside spread visually looked closer to 13-14" young buck until you brought it down to eye level. felt like holding a set of dumbbells.

much of the reason co-ops form. seeing less and less 100+ acre properties. your neighbors definitely have to be your partners when it comes to deer management. you can have multiple 1000 acre pieces around your 50 or less acres but as Culver has said in these forums if it's right fifty acres you can see a lot of the deer that live on those properties. opposite to that if those properties do have good practices then I makes your small piece really shine and makes you feel at ease when that buck or doe passes through and steps over the property boundary that you feel should live to benefit the local deer herd.

well I guess you continue to have your opinion and I've got mine. do not all but most hunters want bigger than a yearlings set of antlers, which is the smallest you can get? probably. passing up yearling bucks seems to be where we're currently at in this state as a whole. yearling bucks having around 30% of their potential antler growth and being such a topic of discussion I think shows antlers could be a factor but by far isn't the primary factor of concern. if that wasn't the case, general hunting public included, would all be trophy deer managers and the conversation of shooting anything other than a 4.5-6.5+ year old buck nearly at it's maximum antler growth potential would ever come up.