steve863

Yeah right. You weren't implying that someone with his "leftist" talking points has little business posting on a hunting forum? It is pretty easy to see your displeasure with having someone with a different take on all this posting his views here. Tough noogans on you, though. Believe me, not all hunters/gun owners think the same, this I can assure you. Some of you may think they do, but you are seeing on this thread alone that many don't.

He doesn't walk lock step with your opinions so he is automatically labeled a pinko leftist communist?

Yeah they would. I hope no one has anything like that ever happen to their kid, but I guarantee they'd start seeing a few things a bit differently.

We honestly shouldn't go there because the murder rates in just about ANY civilized country is considerably lower than ours. Many have strict gun laws, too. So, for those who claim that there are still lots of murders in a city like Chicago even with it's strict gun laws, what would their correlation be for these other nations with low murder rates who also have probably even stricter gun laws? Do we simply have more crazies in this country compared to other countries? If we do, how does it help matters having very laxed gun laws in most parts of this nation where these crazies have an easy time getting their hands on them?

That is what we need. The pro-gun side putting things on the table that just might work and put the anti-gun side on the defensive for once. I am not seeing it, however. All the pro-gun side does is dig in their heels and doesn't want to do or propose anything. Everything is "one step before total confiscation" to them.

That unfortunately is the typical pro-gun response to everything. I get it to a point, but I feel that if the pro-gun side can't at least come up with or agree to some safeguards that might make it a bit harder for a lunatic or someone else who really shouldn't have a gun to get one, then we will DEFINITELY have everything taken from us. I would think as responsible gun owners we would want to think of ways this broken system could work better? All I hear from the pro-gun side is that agreeing to even the simplest safeguard is one step before total confiscation. I just don't buy that. Yeah, the anti-gun side has an agenda, but why can't gun owners for once show them that they might have some better ideas than they do?? Do we always get our way with our spouses, friends, employers??? Hell no, I sure as hell don't, so why would I as a gun owner think that it should be my way only without any compromises??

Yeah, but why is a gun typically the weapon of choice? To make a bomb takes a bit of ingenuity that everyone doesn't have. A car or truck you can't drive thru the halls or classrooms of a school. I myself will never be convinced that a gun isn't the EASIEST tool to use if you want to kill many people in a short period of time. Add to this the easy availability of them and it's a NO brainer why someone would choose a gun over anything else. Right now the AR rifles seems to be the weapon of choice for such slaughters so we can take that for whatever it's worth. I will not go as far as saying that they should be banned, but I will say that ever since these weapons have increased in popularity in this country, gun owners have more than ever been put on the defensive and portrayed in ever worsening way. In the long run I don't know how much good they have done us.

This should become an interesting discussion. Heck, the NRA had a hard time admitting that background checks are of ANY value at all. How would anyone know that someone is crazy without some sort of background check when purchasing a gun? Who would make the determination that someone is indeed "crazy"? How about private sales where background checks are not required in most states? Tough questions and I don't see anyone on the either side of the gun debate coming up with any real good answers.

I would not have a problem with an armed guard or two in every school depending on the size of the school. Schools systems waste enough money on nonsense. If they'd cut back on the nonsense expenditure, they'd have more than enough to pay for guards. However, what about small private schools that couldn't afford guards? I'm sure these killers would then target those schools if they couldn't carry out what they wanted to in schools with guards. I am totally against arming teachers. I would have to think LONG and HARD from my years going to kindergarten thru four years of college for a teacher who I thought would have been able to handle themselves in an armed conflict. Most teachers I remember would not have been able to shoot their way out of a paper bag if someone tied them into one. Maybe a couple of gym teachers along the way, but even most of them were legends in their own minds as far as how tough they were. Teachers as a whole simply don't have what it takes from my experience.

It's a messed up society, no question about that, and it probably won't get any better. I think there are MANY people out there who'd rather be shot to death than put down their stinking, bloody smartphones. Freaking unbelievable. I won't be excluding many hunters from this disease either. It's not enough to kill a deer anymore, they have to FILM themselves killing it. Boggles my mind, that's for damned sure!

That is exactly what was happening. All other theories are nothing more than baloney and paranoia.

NYC losers have no reason to move to Orange County. I'm sure most of these losers that you are seeing were born and bred in the Orange County area. Low life can be found anywhere. You can take NYC completely off the map and you'd still find plenty of low life. Like the guys who steal tree stands, game cams, trespass and break into rural homes and camps? I bet most of those thugs never stepped inside NYC.

So the rail that the scope rings are attached to isn't the "picattiny" rail type, like in the picture I posted? If it's only a straight rail, I can see it being a problem to hold the rings in place from a shotguns recoil. Those straight type rails may work with .22's, but not so well with larger shotguns or rifles. Also, if the rings are made of aluminum, that adds to the weakness of the set up. I myself won't put anything but steel rings and mounts on guns that have some recoil.

Wooly is truly a man of the wild. He can capture it's beauty thru his hunting, writing, photos, and then he can even bring stuff home that he finds in the wild and make some more neat stuff out of it. Very unique guy, that's for sure.

Yeah, you think it's hilarious telling someone to "Put your sneakers on, run across a field, and I will show you the difference" and then you tell me "don't get your panties in a bunch"? You are a DUMBASS and don't expect me to be apologizing to you for calling you that.

You are a dumbass. The thread here is about shooting at coyotes and not people.

Yes, get a bolt action. Simply a better, less complicated choice in my opinion. Don't have to worry about what is compliant and what is not. Other than being an autoloader, I can't think of one thing that an AR would have an advantage over a bolt action.

Closest thing to a tsunami here in the city this morning was when the toilet I was sitting on here at work started to overflow over it's sides. LOL

All I will say is that I wish I had all the time back that I wasted watching sports on TV in my youth. Total waste of time now that I look back at it.

And that's why they will get hired once they get over the wall. I haven't seen an American climb a ladder that quick to clean a gutter. LOL

Yeah, all that griping how background checks are a step ahead of total confiscation, blah, blah, blah, and then we come to reality that background checks might be the ONLY way to keep a guy who got released from prison on Tuesday from going to Cabelas on Wednesday and buying himself a gun. Yeah, sure he can probably buy one in the hood somewhere illegally, but that would take a little more effort and time than going to a dealer and walking out with whatever he wants no questions asked.

So you think there shouldn't be any NICS checks for anyone, even for purchases from dealers?

I've said this before, but most people fall deaf on this. The vast majority, probably close to 100% of new guns both long and short enter private ownership thru legal means. I haven't heard too many stories where some shady employee at Ruger, S&W, Glock manufacturing plants was selling brand new weapons to hoods from the back door. So if they enter private ownership legally, how are the bad guys getting them? Some get stolen, yes, but I would say that is not the way most criminals are getting them. Obviously there is a breakdown in the system somewhere. The good guys who initially bought them, will knowingly or unknowingly help the hoods get them. I will leave it up to everyone's imagination to how this could possibly be happening.

In majority of states you do NOT need to have a NICS check in private face to face sale of long guns, so YES you could unknowingly sell to a felon quite easily.

I've never been to the Harrisburg show, but the number of other shows I've attended over the years were honestly a complete waste of time. I walked out of the places saying to myself why the &*^% did I even waste my time? Could have spent my time doing something way more productive. They were like huge flea markets where everyone was trying to pawn off their (mostly useless) junk for top dollar.