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Should be happy....meaning the ones that have a issue with bow hunting....

I was thinking on my walk home of the take reports in the site...just a fraction of takes so far...I would imagine...some nice buck...and really! nice buck..and a bunch of good doe...which means...a large # of tags taken out early before the rut...and doe numbers pinched out a bit before then as well....many hunters not in the woods just before gun opener...this extra 2wks ...just maybe more blessing than bitching for some not to keen on the early opener...

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I don't think it matters how anyone sees it, the extra 2 weeks in bow season should mean a less than desirable effect on gun hunters.

Trying to sugar coat it is just silly. Fact of the matter is, it is what it is and if anyone doesn't like it, adapt and become a bowhunter.

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I don't think it matters how anyone sees it, the extra 2 weeks in bow season should mean a less than desirable effect on gun hunters.

Trying to sugar coat it is just silly. Fact of the matter is, it is what it is and if anyone doesn't like it, adapt and become a bowhunter.

HAHAHAHA. thats the most ridiculous thing ive heard.

you've got the same number of bowhunters give or take as any other year, with the same tags or same opportunities for tags as any other year, but with 2 extra weeks to fill those tags. its not like we were issued more tags to make up for the extra two weeks!!!!

how does that constitute a less than desirable effect on gun hunters????

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HAHAHAHA. thats the most ridiculous thing ive heard.

you've got the same number of bowhunters give or take as any other year, with the same tags or same opportunities for tags as any other year, but with 2 extra weeks to fill those tags. its not like we were issued more tags to make up for the extra two weeks!!!!

how does that constitute a less than desirable effect on gun hunters????

So you're assuming that ALL bowhunters fill ALL their tags, EVERY year? That sounds a bit more ridiculous to me than anything else. Please do correct me if I'm wrong though.

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HAHAHAHA. thats the most ridiculous thing ive heard.

you've got the same number of bowhunters give or take as any other year, with the same tags or same opportunities for tags as any other year, but with 2 extra weeks to fill those tags. its not like we were issued more tags to make up for the extra two weeks!!!!

how does that constitute a less than desirable effect on gun hunters????

In previous years, not all the tags that were handed out were filled during bow season. With an extra 2 weeks of bow, more tags will be filled. More tags filled means less deer. By the time gun season rolls around, there will be a little less deer in the woods. Whether there is enough of a drop in deer numbers to make a noticable difference is yet to be determined but you can't argue the fact that there is a better chance that more deer will be taken during archery season that previous archery seasons that were shorter.

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In previous years, not all the tags that were handed out were filled during bow season. With an extra 2 weeks of bow, more tags will be filled. More tags filled means less deer. By the time gun season rolls around, there will be a little less deer in the woods. Whether there is enough of a drop in deer numbers to make a noticable difference is yet to be determined but you can't argue the fact that there is a better chance that more deer will be taken during archery season that previous archery seasons that were shorter.

I will be interested in seeing the numbers from this years take.

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In previous years, not all the tags that were handed out were filled during bow season. With an extra 2 weeks of bow, more tags will be filled. More tags filled means less deer. By the time gun season rolls around, there will be a little less deer in the woods. Whether there is enough of a drop in deer numbers to make a noticable difference is yet to be determined but you can't argue the fact that there is a better chance that more deer will be taken during archery season that previous archery seasons that were shorter.

I will agree with this statement. However (imo) guys (and gals) may tend to be a little bit more picky since they have the additional 2 weeks. I do foresee an increase in harvests but I don't think it will be a significant increase.

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if the take is really a few thousand more(approximated) across the state, how drastic would the effects be down the line.DEC will now have a new statistic to compare the doe/buck taken oct 1-15 each year .Doesnt seem like much now but we'll see what happens.

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Hahaha..Oh my GOD...how my line of thinking when posting this took a total U turn...but hey posted for a discussion...so be it ;)

My point was.....with tags being filled EARLIER.......essentially taking ppl out of the woods before the rut...when lets face it...the boys are out in droves chasing the girls...and bigger buck are USUALLY seen..then add a good # of does being taken...Remember guys many hunters don't go on forums to say... hey I got a deer..So who knows the #'s as yet..until DEC posts tag calls

Well add those things up and you have less guys going out the last week... hunting hard to get that deer before Sat gun opener...

What I was saying is the gun hunters should be happy that the Bow hunters got that 2 extra early weeks.... deer will not have as much late bow pressure and less doe means more movement for the buck come gun season...Less complaining the bow hunters pushed the deer nocturnal and took all the big buck....General statement...but I've heard that said more than once...win win for everyone

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I think there may be a slight uptick in numbers taken in bow.i know a number of guys who have not been out at all and some only a couple times. Many wait for the rut,and don't wan't to burn out themselves or their stands.

It would be nice to see a break down of dates taken .

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"Bow hunters, just educate the deer." Been hearing this even more with the extra 2 weeks.

Edit: Is it possible to make a ""gun hunter"" entirely happy?

I'm pretty sure the lack of access for most hunters and hence lack of game is causing most of these strifes against one another. Older more veteran hunters are reluctant to take aspiring hunters out to show them the ropes, bowhunters complaining about guys ruining their hunts, gunmen complaining about bowmen educating deer, etc etc is a direct result of lost access and opportunities to hunt. One thing I noticed as a new hunter, we sure like to fight amongst ourselves instead of those that take land from us.

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One thing I noticed as a new hunter, we sure like to fight amongst ourselves instead of those that take land from us.

Who is taking land from us? There is still a lot of public land. Yeah, many landowners don't want hunters around, but what can we do about that? It's their land so they have the right to do what they want with it. If anyone is taking land from us, it's the hunters who have the private spots they don't want to share. So once again you would have hunters fighting hunters here. We need to face it, hunting can be a very selfish pastime, and I think it's more so than ever before. I simply do NOT see it getting better any time soon.

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Who is taking land from us? There is still a lot of public land. Yeah, many landowners don't want hunters around, but what can we do about that? It's their land so they have the right to do what they want with it. If anyone is taking land from us, it's the hunters who have the private spots they don't want to share. So once again you would have hunters fighting hunters here. We need to face it, hunting can be a very selfish pastime, and I think it's more so than ever before. I simply do NOT see it getting better any time soon.

Steve, just from hearing the old salts speak of restricted access now compared to when they were kids. Not necessarily speaking about private land that is now closed, but rather land that was once forest, and now developed.

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Steve, just from hearing the old salts speak of restricted access now compared to when they were kids. Not necessarily speaking about private land that is now closed, but rather land that was once forest, and now developed.

OK, I see what your saying. Yes, no doubt lots of things have changed. People once hunted several hundred acre plots now they hunt ten acres. Nothing ever stays the same unfortunately. People rather sell their land to builders who will give them some good money for it. I highly doubt any landowner is worried about us hunters having fewer places where the deer could roam. Just the way it is unfortunately. $ signs rule the world it seems.

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OK, I see what your saying. Yes, no doubt lots of things have changed. People once hunted several hundred acre plots now they hunt ten acres. Nothing ever stays the same unfortunately. People rather sell their land to builders who will give them some good money for it. I highly doubt any landowner is worried about us hunters having fewer places where the deer could roam. Just the way it is unfortunately. $ signs rule the world it seems.

Couldn't agree more.

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